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  1. 13 hours ago, KYHorn said:

    This thread turned pretty disgusting real fast. This is CR bullshit.

     

    4 hours ago, SamsCorner said:

    Surprised?

    Surprised at Imma allowing it, but I guess I shouldn't be.

    I reported a reply 12 hours ago, so looks like he's ok with the disgusting turn of this thread?  (I think you can count on the fingers of 1 hand the number of times I've reported a post.)

    Not so much for CR in the DT (though once again, we see this rule is often only enforced in 1 direction) but rather for the multiple, "She was a Republican so it's good she's dead" posts.

    Maybe it didn't reach him or Blacklab.  The other mods that I'm aware of are Hayden and Pancho. 

    Effectively telling half your target fan base to "Rest In Piss" if they die in an accident (or any other way) would at least seem to be bad for business.  

     

    How others reacted:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/indiana-national-leaders-react-u-211117196.html

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/indiana-rep-jackie-walorski-killed-car-accident-rcna41410

    President Joe Biden

    "Jill and I are shocked and saddened by the death of Congresswoman Jackie Walorski of Indiana along with two members of her staff in a car accident today in Indiana. Born in her beloved South Bend as the daughter of a meat-cutter and firefighter, she spent a lifetime serving the community that she grew up in – as a journalist, a nonprofit director, a state legislator, and eventually as a Member of Congress for the past nine and half years.

    We may have represented different parties and disagreed on many issues, but she was respected by members of both parties for her work on the House Ways and Means Committee on which she served. She also served as co-chair of the House Hunger Caucus, and my team and I appreciated her partnership as we plan for a historic White House Conference on Hunger, Nutrition, and Health this fall that will be marked by her deep care for the needs of rural America.

    We send our deepest condolences to her husband, Dean, to the families of her staff members, Zachery Potts and Emma Thomson, who lost their lives in public service, and to the people of Indiana’s Second District who lost a representative who was one of their own."

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who was traveling in Asia, ordered the flags at the Capitol to be flown at half-staff in honor of Walorski and her staffers, her spokesman said.

    “A lifelong Hoosier, Congresswoman Walorski lived a life of service: whether caring for impoverished children in Romania, representing her community in the Indiana Statehouse or serving nearly a decade in the House," Pelosi said in a statement. "She passionately brought the voices of her north Indiana constituents to the Congress, and she was admired by colleagues on both sides of the aisle for her personal kindness."

    The White House said it will fly flags at half-staff on Wednesday and Thursday in memory of Walorski.

    Secretary Pete Buttigieg

    I'm shocked and saddened to hear of the tragic death of Congresswoman Jackie Walorski. My thoughts and prayers are with her family and the other victims of this terrible crash.

    Rep. Liz Cheney

    Heartbroken to hear the terrible news about Jackie Walorski, Zachary Potts and Emma Thompson. There was no more dedicated or effective member of Congress than Jackie. I was proud to be her friend. Phil and I are keeping Jackie, Zachary and Emma’s families in our prayers.

    Indiana House Democrats

    Our representatives and staff are valued and cherished members of our team and losing even a single person is heartbreaking, let alone three. Our caucus is sending thoughts, prayers, well wishes and hopes for peace to Rep. Walorski, Zachery and Emma's families tonight.

    Mike Schmuhl, Chairman of the Indiana Democratic Party

    “On behalf of the Indiana Democratic Party, I want to express our sincere condolences to the friends and loved ones of Congresswoman Jackie Walorski, Chairman Zach Potts, and Emma Thomson.

    Jackie Walorski was a dedicated public servant, who cared deeply about her constituents and northern Indiana. If you’re a Hoosier, you’re a member of one family, and Indiana tragically lost dedicated family members today.

    Our thoughts and prayers go out to their families, to members of the communities across the Second District, and to the Indiana Republican Party.

    Congresswoman Walorski served with devotion and passion in both the Indiana General Assembly and the U.S. House of Representatives. She made a lasting impact on Indiana and the United States.”

     

     

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  2. A Congresswoman and several of her staffers were killed today in a head on collision.  About half of the usual CR regulars swarmed the DT thread to post approval of the deaths, because she wasn't a Democrat.

    Those disgusting posts have been up 5 hours, but I assume that eventually the thread will be hidden in CR, because at least 1 mod will conclude that it's a really bad look for Surly.   

    But we should note who made those posts and who gave all the approving rep.  It's about a third of the 2-3 dozen CR regulars who make the majority of posts in CR and hand out most of the neg rep there and on the site as a whole.  There is something very wrong with you if you are frequently wishing death on those who have a different political view. 

    Seriously, much of the CR is now a Red Flag Room (this just spilled over, once again, into DT, but on a truly disgusting level).  The signs are there, and keep getting repeated over and over in numerous ways.

    Fudge Nuggets with the Oh no. Anyways gif - approval rep from gengs1 and trauma babe

    Ghost of LL = She voted not to impeach Trump. So,…. - approval from gengs1, dahobbs, diggleronthehoof, scheiss master, totallynotabuttpirate, hornonthebayou, trauma babe, degenerate gardner, crash davis, c-man

    Gengs1 - My condolences will depend how far did she believe in the steal, gqp ranks etc - approval from hornonthebayou

    South Austin - She also voted against certification of Biden’s election, but thoughts and prayers and such. - approval from dahobbs, ghost of ll, crash davis, chainsaw, trauma babe

    Gengs1 - Rest in Piss… - approval from crash davis

    conVINCEd - I’ll leave her out of my thoughts and prayers.  I have a finite amount of thoughts and prayers to give, and she doesn’t make the cut. - approval from diggleronthehoof

    conVINCEd - When OJ dies should we not mention the little incident with his ex-wife?  Because it might hurt some people’s feelings?

     

    Is this who you really are?  I hope you may reconsider if perhaps you've let politics consume you into too much unhealthy perpetual hatred.

     

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  3. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/conference-realignment-big-ten-interest-in-additional-pac-12-teams-has-cooled-big-12-positioned-well/

    There's a big reason why we've reached another conference realignment crossroads. It centers around a 51-year-old media executive who has been pulling the strings behind the scenes for a while.

    No matter how this round of reorganization ends, Mark Shapiro will have a significant stake. The president of Endeavor -- a powerful global sports, entertainment and content company -- is currently advising the Big 12 on its next media rights deal after its current agreement expires ahead of the 2025 season.

    You already know the Big 12 is in the middle of rearranging itself for the second straight summer as it gazes westward to possibly grab some Pac-12 members. At the same time, college athletics is anticipating the Big Ten's new media rights contract, expected to be announced any day. It could be the largest in history.

    Those two things are not unrelated. Back in 2004, Shapiro, then an ESPN executive, offered prior Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany a take-it-or-leave it deal to renew with the Worldwide Leader. Delany refused amid what he perceived to be a lowball offer.

    "You are rolling the dice," Shapiro infamously told Delany.

    "Consider them rolled," Delany responded.

    Delany further monetized his conference's rights by taking some of them in-house and starting his own channel...

     

    ...After the anxiety caused last week regarding further Big Ten expansion, industry sources have indicated the Big Ten is no longer as interested in adding California, Oregon, Stanford and Washington. Rightsholders were balking at paying the same amount for those schools as the 16 Big Ten schools going forward ($80 million-$100 million).

    While those four programs may eventually have options, the Big Ten is concentrating on its new deal in 2023 while trying to lure Notre Dame, which has an open invitation. More and more stakeholders now believe the Fighting Irish will ultimately stay independent.

    Opportunity lost

    Let's not forget the Pac-12 had its chance to bolster its ranks last year when the Big 12 was wounded by the exits of Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC. Sources told CBS Sports this week the Pac-12 vote was 8-4 against taking any Big 12 schools. It would sure be interesting to be find out those Pac-12 schools who voted for expansion a year ago. We already know USC president Carol Folt "shut down" interest in expansion.

    "We all would have jumped," one Big 12 AD told CBS Sports in reference to the Pac-12's interest in getting into Texas....

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    LOL to learn Kliavkoff has a journalism degree. 

    https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-there-is-a-singular-threat

    Canzano: There is a singular threat to Pac-12 -- the Big Ten

    Pac-12 AD calls Big 12 threat "laughable."

    Spoiler

    The Pac-12 Conference athletic directors are anxiously waiting to see what happens in the next 24 hours. The conference’s 30-day, exclusive negotiating period with ESPN and Fox is set to expire Aug. 4.

    The ADs I spoke with said they haven’t seen any potential revenue numbers yet.

    Former Fox Sports Networks president Bob Thompson recently told me he’d be shocked if a deal got done with ESPN in the early negotiating window. That dovetails with the remarks from Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff last Friday, who pumped the brakes on the timeline. I left media day thinking it might be early September before we get resolution.

    There’s some customary back-channeling going on right now. Consultants are involved. It’s in the conference’s best interest to go slow, allow the Big Ten to set the market, and give some other bidders a chance to weigh in.

    Thompson said: “I think the conference will be wise and want to see who is on the outside looking in when the Big Ten option ends. There’s going to be some folks who expressed an interest in collegiate football who aren’t going to get it in the Big Ten deal.”

    In the meantime, the athletic directors of the Pac-12’s remaining 10 universities are still communicating regularly and tell me they’re upbeat.

    Said one AD, “The dialogue, candor, and environment have been positive. Everyone is moving in the same direction.”

    Are there still threats out there?

    Sure.

    Said the AD: “It’s a singular threat — the Big Ten and the Big Ten only. That’s it. The Big 12 threat is laughable.”

    Would the Big Ten decide to further expand and add Oregon and Washington? Or maybe chase Stanford? I’m going to dive deeper into the calculus of that in the coming days. But the prevailing thought is that none of those universities generate enough potential media rights value by themselves to make doing so a no-brainer.

    In fact, I floated that Oregon-Washington-Stanford question to a current Big Ten Conference athletic director, who waved it off.

    “I think Stanford might be interesting to our conference presidents just because of the academic piece,” he said, “but unless Notre Dame is coming in too, I don’t think further expansion happens in this cycle.”

    The Pac-12 mostly laughed off the Big 12 threat last Friday at media day. It makes sense that those two entities are at odds. There’s only so much money in the college football ecosystem. The SEC ate first, now the Big Ten is feasting. The ACC is waiting for 2036, while Pac-12 and Big 12 are left to fight over what’s left.

    There have been reports about the Big 12 trying to poach Utah, Colorado, Arizona and ASU. Nobody at those universities seems much interested at this point. The financial advantage just doesn’t appear to be there. But the noise annoyed the Pac-12 anyway.

    Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff holds a degree in journalism from Boston University. He told me on Friday that he is frustrated with the Big 12’s tactics.

    “It’s incredibly destructive, but that’s why they do it,” he said. “When I was in journalism school we were taught you had to source things from two reliable sources and you can’t run with it until. Now, we’ve got folks in the national media reporting stuff that is on burner Twitter accounts. It’s unfortunate. It’s the world we live in. I don’t have thin skin. I’m OK with this stuff, but it does destabilize people.”

    Kliavkoff said that several Pac-12 universities have shared communications they’ve received from the Big 12 and other conferences.

    “If they hear something or if someone from a different conference is approaching them, they forward those messages,” he said. “Those are fun to read. I’ve read every single one that has been sent to our conference over the last three weeks. It’s amazing how brazen those other conferences are...”

     

    ...COLLECTIVE WIN: On Pac-12 Media Day, Arizona State’s representatives were asked why the university didn’t yet have a “collective” working to help athletes with opportunities. Football coach Herm Edwards talked at length last week about the importance of the NIL space to any college program.

    On Tuesday, an ASU insider sent word: “We are in the game.”

    The “Sun Angel Collective” has a website, a board of directors, and a mission. Also, it has a deep pool of potential donors, as ASU boasts 579,829 active alumni.

    Oregon has Division Street, Inc., UCLA has the “Bruin Fan Alliance” and Washington State has the “Cougar Collective,” among others.

    The trend in this space is clear. Wealthy alumni and gift givers lining up to write checks that will help athletes at their respective universities. It’s why the size and power of ASU’s alumni base is so interesting. I took a quick look at where the graduates of Arizona State live:

     

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    California and Texas are very important to ASU’s mission. So are Washington and Colorado. For those wondering why Arizona State might be more interested in sticking around the Pac-12 vs. jumping to the Big 12, I’d present this as Exhibit A.

    ASU would love nothing more than to mine those 579,829 donors on a regular basis. If anything, adding a Texas-based university to the Pac-12 would leave the Sun Devils in a perfect world, with ample exposure to roughly 74 percent of its alumni base....

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  4. 30 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

    This is entertaining:

     

     

     

     

    https://theathletic.com/3470202/2022/08/03/college-football-championship-realignment-mailbag/

    ...I am a lifelong Southerner, but pulling for the Pac-12 to survive and prosper. After San Diego State, are either Nevada or UNLV acceptable candidates? — Mark C.

    Nothing against either of those two fine institutions, but if the Pac-12 brought either of them in, the remaining schools would basically have to write them a check from their own bank accounts, because they’re bringing zero new dollars to the league’s next TV deals.

    Based on the conversations I’ve had, and reading between some tea leaves, the only remaining Group of 5 schools on the Pac-12’s radar are San Diego State and SMU. The former is fairly obvious, both due to its location and its strong athletic department. SMU’s appeal is part getting into the Dallas recruiting and TV market, and part that it’s highly ranked in academics (No. 68 nationally in US News) — which Pac-12 presidents really do care about. However, it’s also debatable whether either or both will add enough per-school value to prevent the existing 10 from getting their slice of the pie.

    I would not discount two other possibilities for the Pac-12. One is the league stays at 10 programs. It would be much the same strategy the Big 12 followed from 2011-21, which benefitted its schools financially but then of course left them a sitting duck when Oklahoma and Texas left. This to me is the likely outcome if they end up landing a less-than-desired number from their next set of media rights. (If that happens, I’d also expect to see Oregon and possibly others push for a bigger slice of the revenue).

    Or — they do better than expected, and try to use it as incentive to add schools from the Big 12.

    Obviously, the Pac-12 had that opportunity a year ago and declined. (The LA Times recently reported that of all people, USC president Carol Folt put the kibosh on expansion at that time.) I’ve been told the conference did its diligence and found that only a couple of the Big 12 holdovers would have added any value. But circumstances have changed, and if commissioner George Kliavkoff and/or his presidents deem it important to get into Texas, it would make sense to pursue TCU and Baylor, or perhaps even Houston, before turning to SMU and San Diego State.

    The tricky thing is that the Big 12 Grant of Rights goes for a year longer than the Pac-12’s, so it wouldn’t line up with the start of the Pac-12’s next TV deal. But that could also work to their advantage. The Pac-12 is going to know its post-USC/UCLA valuation a year or more earlier than the Big 12 schools find out their post-Oklahoma/Texas fate. Probably before the end of this calendar year. That guaranteed money could be tempting to a school like TCU that will still have no idea the new Big 12’s value. And, if they wait until 2025, they can defect without having to pay an exit fee.

    To be clear, I would not place the likelihood of this scenario particularly high, though certainly higher than anyone going in the reverse direction....

  5. RIP to the greatest!

    I would always go out of my way to listen to him.

    I almost never say, "This one hurts", but damn, this one hurts.

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  6. 2 minutes ago, Porterhouse said:

    Why?  I’m not neg-crapping on this thread. I’m raining hellfire on someone that made terrible points, then started shit with me, all whilst practicing polygamy. 

    Troll somewhere else.  CR needs trolling, and they're actually destructive.

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