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Criminalizing free speech: MA prosecutes another woman for encouraging boyfriend's suicide

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47,000 texts in the final 2 months. That is 758 texts per day or ~32 texts per hour.

She had this poor bastard set up on an autodialer. 

 

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Rollins said she sent the 22-year-old - who was originally from Cedar Grove, New Jersey - more than 47,000 text messages in the last two months of their relationship, including many urging him to 'go kill himself' or 'go die'.

 

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3 hours ago, SA-KC_Horn said:

Must've been some killer pussy. 

I guess it was to die for.

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Dude was obviously mentally battered by her, and addicted to her in some way that he couldn't just block her.

If she was urging him to actually kill him self, knew he was capable of actually doing it, and was there when it happened? Yeah she should be convicted IMO.

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On 10/29/2019 at 12:42 PM, HRSchenker said:

Free speech is absolute but this isn't free speech.

Constitutional scholar you are not. 

Edited by hornian

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On 10/28/2019 at 1:08 PM, clapclapclap said:

Case probably hinges on the admissibility of his final text: "It's not You, it's me."

I think it's going to hinge on a lot more than that.

https://reason.com/2019/11/22/woman-charged-with-texting-boyfriend-to-death-actually-pleaded-with-him-not-to-kill-himself/

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Woman Charged With Texting Boyfriend to Death Actually Pleaded With Him Not To Kill Himself

She also frantically tried to find him, and she alerted his family once she knew where he was.

ELIZABETH NOLAN BROWN | 11.22.2019 2:30 PM

 

The Boston College student accused of texting her boyfriend to death actually pleaded with him not to kill himself and enlisted his family to help stop the suicide, according to newly revealed text messages.

The young woman, 21-year-old Inyoung You, was arraigned this morning in Massachusetts on charges of involuntary manslaughter. But earlier this week, her representatives released new evidence that casts the state's story about You in doubt.

Back in October, Suffolk County prosecutors brought the charges against You with some fanfare, even holding a press conference specifically to announce them. You, they said, had used text messages to harass and pressure her boyfriend, 21-year-old Alexander Urtula, into committing suicide.

You and Urtula, who also went to Boston College, had dated for about a year and half. Urtula jumped from a parking garage to his death on May 20, 2019, the day he was supposed to graduate.

Suffolk County District Attorney (DA) Rachael Rollins told the media in October that You "had complete and total control" over Urtula "mentally and emotionally" and sent him messages that included "go kill yourself" and "go die." A press release from the DA's office implied that You had simply stood by as Urtula committed suicide, stating: "You was tracking Mr. Urtula's location and went to the Renaissance garage and was present when he jumped."

 

What the DA's office left out was You's side of the story—or any of Urtula's part of the text exchange. Without such context, we don't know if Urtula said or did anything to prompt messages like "go die," or whether they were really meant literally, or what subsequent communications between the couple were like, or much of anything relevant to making a moral judgement, let alone determining whether You's actions reach the level of manslaughter.

Now, another set of texts suggest that far from sitting by idly as Urtula killed himself, You frantically tried to find him and pleaded with him not to do it. These new texts were released to the Boston Globe by Rasky Partners Inc., a public relations firm that is representing You. Her legal defense team has confirmed them as authentic.

In texts sent not long before Urtula killed himself, You asks Urtula why he had turned off his phone's location tracking and where he is. Urtula responds: "I'm not gonna be anywhere inyoung this is goodbye forever. I love you. This isn't your fault it's mine."

"What. UR LEAVING ME," You texts.

"I'm far away on a tall place and I'm not gonna be here for long. I'm leaving everyone," Urtula texts back.

After this, You begins frantically texting him to stop and begging him not to do it. She says things like:

Please baby. i love you so much. Please stop please. Please baby please stop i love you.

And:

IM BEGGING YOU. PLEASE IM ALMOST THERE PLEASE. where are u please please please

You continues texting and texting, even as Urtula stops responding. "i'm so sorry if i hurt you PLEASE." "please I'm so sorry i'm begging you please alex please." "DONT DO THIS PLEASE."

A full transcript of the messages is here. They do not at all conjure the picture that Suffolk County prosecutors did.

At some point before he jumped, Urtula turned the GPS tracking on his phone back on. You then began heading to where he was and also let his family know the location. "Please let me know if you get there first i'm waiting for the uber," she texted Urtula's brother.

You, who is a South Korean national, withdrew from Boston College in August and returned to her home country. She was out of the U.S. when a grand jury indicted her for manslaughter, and she only returned recently to be arraigned. On Friday, a Massachusetts judge set her bond at $5,000 and ordered her to stay in the state.

At the arraignment, the state dismissed the idea that You had tried to intervene to stop Urtula's suicide. "The defendant had urged Urtula to kill himself on numerous occasions and on the morning of his death she knew exactly where to find him," Suffolk County Prosecutor Caitlin Grasso alleged.

The state repeatedly brought up alleged comments You had made to Urtula earlier in their relationship, citing the fact that they had 75,000 total text messages between them and that witnesses supposedly said they had a toxic relationship.

 

But whatever mistakes You may have made in their relationship, reading their exchanges and looking at her actions from the day of his death makes it hard to imagine how prosecutors ever thought manslaughter charges were appropriate here, let alone why they're doubling down on them. It's even harder to reconcile the version of You that these messages reveals—anguished, loving, pleading, desperate—with the evil vixen sociopath that the state has repeatedly conjured for the media.

And it's chilling to think of the precedent prosecutors are trying to set, one in which a romantic partner committing suicide is grounds to examine your entire text message and relationship history for signs that it's your fault.

 
 

 

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15 minutes ago, Viper said:

I'm not sure what to think about You at this point, man. I mean the DA made You seem like a psycho, but now it seems like they had their story about You all messed up.

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1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

I'm not sure what to think about You at this point, man. I mean the DA made You seem like a psycho, but now it seems like they had their story about You all messed up.

I forget that her literal name is You, and didn't notice that you capitalized the Y. I was very confused.

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Her defense should be that she was was the suicidal one all along, referring to herself in third person in all those texts. “You should die... You don’t deserve to live”.   It brings all kinds of confusion when she’s mad and says “Fuck You.”

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2 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

Her defense should be that she was was the suicidal one all along, referring to herself in third person in all those texts. “You should die... You don’t deserve to live”.   It brings all kinds of confusion when she’s mad and says “Fuck You.”

Not third person, just Engrish.  You = her name = I/me in Engrish.

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19 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Not third person, just Engrish.  You = her name = I/me in Engrish.

George likes his chicken spicy!

 

 

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6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Not third person, just Engrish.  You = her name = I/me in Engrish.

Isn’t that third person?  Referring to yourself by your own name?  That was my lame joke... that she was referring to herself, not to him,  in all those texts. 

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2 hours ago, Your Mom said:

Isn’t that third person?  Referring to yourself by your own name?  That was my lame joke... that she was referring to herself, not to him,  in all those texts. 

Comedy is hard.

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3 hours ago, Your Mom said:

Isn’t that third person?  Referring to yourself by your own name?  That was my lame joke... that she was referring to herself, not to him,  in all those texts. 

Yeah it is.  But there's something vaguely pompous and insane about referring to oneself in the third person.  The latter probably applies.

Twicehorn doesn't like it.  No, no he doesn't.  Twicehorn thinks engrish is better excuse.

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