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Who is bitching about the rules? It’s obvious that some here just want KU fans to be butthurt. You should head to the Ku message boards if you want to see that. It’s pretty obvious to me that the ones here see what is going on and are just presenting prospective defenses to the NOA. No one is saying “ but but but but...”.

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LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) -- A settlement agreement has been reached in the lawsuit filed against the NCAA by Luke Hancock and four players from the 2013 University of Louisville basketball team, but it will not result in the restoration of the school's vacated national championship, sources said Monday.

The title and banner were stripped from U of L as part of penalties from the NCAA over stripper parties, escorts and sex acts for players and recruits that occurred from 2010 to 2014. The lawsuit demanded the NCAA restore that title, and issue a declaration that the players, "did not engage in striptease dances, prostitution and tipping of strippers as implied."

The settlement restores Hancock's status as the Most Outstanding Player from that Final Four in Atlanta. Hancock scored 42 points in two games as the Cardinals defeated Wichita State and Michigan.

 

Besides Hancock, the other players involved in the lawsuit were Gorgui Dieng, Stephan Van Treese, Tim Henderson and Michael Marra. All of their playing records and statistics have also been reinstated.

The players said they filed the suit in an attempt to "clear names" and restore the team's national title, which was removed from program by the NCAA Committee on Infractions in July 2017. Louisville became the first Division I team in modern history to vacate a national title. The Cardinals were placed on four years of NCAA probation.

The Cardinals also vacated 123 victories, the result from one of several scandals that later led to the removal of U of L coach Rick Pitino and athletic director Tom Jurich.

Morgan & Morgan filed the lawsuit in Jefferson Circuit Court on behalf of the players in July 2018. The suit sought a specific declaration from the NCAA saying the players "did not engage in striptease dances, prostitution and tipping of strippers as implied."

Additionally, Hancock requested that an asterisk next to his name as "Most Outstanding Player" be removed. He made eight of 10 three-point shots against Wichita State and Michigan, leading the Cardinals in scoring in the 82-76 victory over the Wolverines.

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That shit doesn't matter.  They know they won, and they know they cheated to do it.

 

Sanctions and penalties need to be fucking real.  Shut down coaches and shut down programs.

Clean it up, or keep fucking around...

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I think its pretty clear that the NCAA is going to keep fucking around.  Did you see the ESPN article on the CA legislation?  The guy from the NCAA said "we just wish the regulators would give us time to review and adapt our policies."  Bitch.. you just had a commission headed by Condi that literally put out a statement saying "everyone else is the problem, we're staying the same".  The NCAA has been actively fighting this problem for over 20 years and has NEVER acted to clean it up.  Now that there is regulatory pressure you wish people would give you time?  The NCAA is a dying entity and 2023 can't come soon enough.  If Florida and North Carolina come out and make changes, which apparently they are working on legislation, then the NCAA will be dead with those deals.  Can't wait.

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Dawkins gets 1 year in prison. So if you’re counting, coaches and players get their entire careers ruined. The longest sentence for the people at the heart of the actual criminal activity get a year or less in prison. Jarret jack gets 3 years for $300. 

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On 9/26/2019 at 10:20 AM, El Diablo said:

The history of the NCAA and the crafting of the amateur/student-athlete legal position is an interesting one. The NCAA IS the member institutions after all. It's a tangled mess.

I was trying to think of a way to continue with your traffic analogy but couldn't. It's kind of like that but not really because who are the cops in that scenario and we all know that the cars that are speeding the most over the speed limit are the ones making the most profit as a result. Big mess.

The analogy isn't perfect, clearly.  On the morality front, I personally think the most immoral thing we do is force elite high school players to go to college by having rules against them turning pro in exactly two sports...coincidentally the two sports that make ass-piles of cash for the NCAA and ADs nationwide.  If you're a stud in hockey or baseball or downhill skiing, you can get paid right away.  And not only do we artificially limit their ability to make money, we systemically funnel them to a college campus for 7 months so Duke fans can buy #1 jerseys while #1 is "paid" (over the table) the exact same amount as a women's rower.

It's gawd-dammed unAmerican.

 

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2 minutes ago, VolenteHawk said:

The analogy isn't perfect, clearly.  On the morality front, I personally think the most immoral thing we do is force elite high school players to go to college by having rules against them turning pro in exactly two sports...coincidentally the two sports that make ass-piles of cash for the NCAA and ADs nationwide.  If you're a stud in hockey or baseball or downhill skiing, you can get paid right away.  And not only do we artificially limit their ability to make money, we systemically funnel them to a college campus for 7 months so Duke fans can buy #1 jerseys while #1 is "paid" (over the table) the exact same amount as a women's rower.

It's gawd-dammed unAmerican.

 

Yep. And it all goes back to what I said about the crafting of the term "student athlete". A whole lot of money and legal expertise was spent on that by the NCAA and by extension on behalf of the member institutions.

I like the IDEA of amateur sports, I just don't know if it's a viable concept that is based on reality.

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Amateur sports are very viable for amateurs with little to no aspiration to be professionals. The feeder process is the problem. Let everyone declare for the draft. Who cares. If you accept a scholarship then it should have some sort of time commitment longer than a year. The people who want to see top talent can watch the nba. People who want to cheer on their school can watch college ball. 

Letting athletes find their monetary value will allow the market to get to equilibrium very quickly. A blue blood basketball school isn’t going to pay a kid more than what the nba will. If they do then maybe the ncaa will steal talent from the nba making it an actual competitor of the league. If that were to happen then the tv dollars would follow and no one would be complaining. 

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3 hours ago, Jhawk said:

Amateur sports are very viable for amateurs with little to no aspiration to be professionals. The feeder process is the problem. Let everyone declare for the draft. Who cares. If you accept a scholarship then it should have some sort of time commitment longer than a year. The people who want to see top talent can watch the nba. People who want to cheer on their school can watch college ball. 

Letting athletes find their monetary value will allow the market to get to equilibrium very quickly. A blue blood basketball school isn’t going to pay a kid more than what the nba will. If they do then maybe the ncaa will steal talent from the nba making it an actual competitor of the league. If that were to happen then the tv dollars would follow and no one would be complaining. 

That concept doesn't work in all sports. Basketball players are physically mature enough to go to the NBA out of high school. Let them get treated like commodities in the NBA. Some will become millionaires and some will be without education and without pro sports. But in football, kids aren't ready for the NFL. There needs to be a minor league system that will cost the NFL money.

In the end, I think the only viable system is a minor league route and a college route. The best athletes who don't care about college need to be in the minors and the other athletes who do care about college need to go the college route. It will kill college athletics as it will become more like intramural than what we see today. And I'll be sad because I love college sports and pay little attention to the pros. But, I guess I'll get over it and find new hobbies. And kids in general will stop playing school and do what they really want.

But stop blaming the system. Kansas and Alabama and UNLV and LSU and Kentucky have made major contributions towards the fall of the system. They could have kept recruiting clean and instead chose to hand out lots of money. You need to blame those schools that have blurred the lines of the student athlete rather than blaming it all on NCAA greed.

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29 minutes ago, Bevo said:

There needs to be a minor league system that will cost the NFL money.

That shoots your entire argument down. NFL is NEVER going to pay for something they get free. Damn they won’t even hire full time refs for their multi-billion $ enterprise. 

If college football dies tomorrow then you have a 10% chance of this working. 

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2 minutes ago, Shaddie said:

That shoots your entire argument down. NFL is NEVER going to pay for something they get free. Damn they won’t even hire full time refs for their multi-billion $ enterprise. 

If college football dies tomorrow then you have a 10% chance of this working. 

No doubt, that is an impediment. But at some point, the NFL isn't going to have a choice. And if I can learn how to surf, maybe I won't care.

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9 hours ago, Jhawk said:

Letting athletes find their monetary value will allow the market to get to equilibrium very quickly. A blue blood basketball school isn’t going to pay a kid more than what the nba will.

Why not?  They pay their coaches more than many NBA teams do.  

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5 hours ago, Bevo said:

There needs to be a minor league system that will cost the NFL money.

Kate Beckinsale also needs to come over and give me a blow job.  

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huh. who coulda possibly have predicted this when they were writing up the contract for the mothafuckin' D O double G

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On 9/24/2019 at 4:40 PM, Jhawk said:

KU is just a school that got popped for the same Snoop Dog concert that all the major schools have hosted. The shitty thing for the ncaa is very little of Snoop Dog's money gun "shot" any of the Board of Directors and directly implicated KU. It’s a courageous position to celebrate sluts and pole dancing, which is why the NCAA doesn’t get to be represented in an appeal scenario. That’s why KU is going to get a lot out of hiring Snoop Dog to associate us with payola, Adidas gangster bagmen and strippers. I fully expect another Crips tribute concert at every home game. It’ll be the appeal that having Bill Self wearing money symbols and Adidas logos that proves that we are culturally aware.

Which is basically what one of my earlier posts was about. The implications of some of the pole dancing ho's  is degrading to women made by the NCAA are far beyond what the ncaa is willing to defend long term. Couple that with KU staunchly defending Snoop Dog aiming a money gun at privileged white children to show how racially sorry we are and the lack of pole dancer's full frontal nudity is tough to defend. Especially if KU goes ahead with plans to turn every game into a South Central tribute concert featuring acrobatic dancers will save us from the ncaa the prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner. 

Man, @Jhawk's posts defending Kansas are getting stranger and stranger. 

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