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Considering it is sung to the tune of "I've Been Working on the Railroad", shouldn't the Chinese students be the ones with the problem?

I'm a Trump hating liberal and hope the Republican party withers and dies before my children are of voting age.  That being said....  The song isn't racist. The bullshit 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon

I don't like some if the demands but I'm not a black athlete representing the University of Texas. I don't know what it's like to deal with the fucked up system that they've grown up under.  Fuck

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1 minute ago, bschoolprof said:

Statement from office of President on the emails:

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Expecting Evan Smith to include the fact that a committee report will be released next week would be asking him to exceed his professional abilities. 

Instead, he simply publishes a story that adds nothing to the discussion.

The people of Texas deserve more for the money we pay Evan than a muckraker. 

The $2 million UT pays to support The Texas Tribune should be redirected to a Black owned publication to support both diversity and journalism. Both are lacking at Texas Tribune. 

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1 minute ago, Cajun said:

You started with "middle ground" and ended up with a binary false choice.  Interesting.

But that isn't even the issue and the issue isn't even race.  The booger blob of offended outrage insists on surviving and to survive it needs a constant stream of offenses to consume.  If it can't locate any organic ones, it is more than capable planting new ones in the soil of the idiocy of our current culture and watering it daily with "reimagine" sauce until it has plenty eat.

It is never satisfied.

Ever.

The binary choice seems to be imposed by donors that are willing to walk away from football over the song.

I don't disagree with your point about the blob of outrage.  It will always find something to react to, but I guess I think the better strategy with those folks is to mostly ignore them.  They're very much empowered by the extreme outrage and offense they provoke in others.

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5 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The binary choice seems to be imposed by donors that are willing to walk away from football over the song.

I don't disagree with your point about the blob of outrage.  It will always find something to react to, but I guess I think the better strategy with those folks is to mostly ignore them.  They're very much empowered by the extreme outrage and offense they provoke in others.

So there's no other football out there?

Nevermind, I get what you're saying.  I don't support the ones who flex b/c "fuck you n_______r" and hope they do GTFO, but the ones who understand what I said above and say, "Enough is enough", uh huh.

And you're spot on in that last sentence.  

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1 minute ago, Cajun said:

So there's no other football out there?

Who's implying that?  I pointed out that there are options other than either capitulating to the woke mob, or taking the stance of you "fuck you, black people" that at least one of your donors is doing.  I also gave an opinion that breaking up with your alma mater's football program over whether or not the players sing a song seems like over the top butthurt.

Then you said I'm imposing a false binary choice.

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Just now, Al_4_ISU said:

Who's implying that?  I pointed out that there are options other than either capitulating to the woke mob, or taking the stance of you "fuck you, black people" that at least one of your donors is doing.  I also gave an opinion that breaking up with your alma mater's football program over whether or not the players sing a song seems like over the top butthurt.

Then you said I'm imposing a false binary choice.

That's why I edited and said, "Nevermind, I get what you're saying".

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I always liked the unifying aspect of the song and having players and fans get a moment together after a tough battle.

 

If the song is to be axed, i just hope they can still keep a way for players and fans to have that moment, its a very unique thing in college sports and i'd hate to see it go away completely.

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The people who find EOT racist because of its "minstrel roots" would be blown away to learn that to this very day there is a Minstrel Carnival in Cape Town where Blacks wear white face and dress in striped jackets.

I guess its time we send enlightened Americans over to South Africa to tell Blacks to quit venerating their white privilege and stop acting like racists.

This year's Minstrel Carnival will be in June. Plenty of time to book plane tickets.

Blacks can dress in white face and celebrate minstrel traditions. Insisting they stop would be racist. Meanwhile, whites can't sing EOT because its minstrel roots makes it blatantly racist. Welcome to 2021.

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The Cape Town Street Parade, commonly known as the Cape Minstrel Carnival or “Tweede Nuwe Jaar” procession has been postponed to mid-June next year.

The annual klopse parade usually sees thousands of minstrels from all areas across Cape Town performing in the streets of the city centre.

The event traditionally takes place a day or two after New Year's Day, bringing the streets to life with colourful costumes, glitter, and spirited Ghoema music.

But the festivities cannot take place in January 2021 due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

https://www.capetalk.co.za/articles/403397/cape-town-s-klopse-parade-moved-to-june-2021

 

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5 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

The people who find EOT racist because of its "minstrel roots" would be blown away to learn that to this very day there is a Minstrel Carnival in Cape Town where Blacks wear white face and dress in striped jackets.Not

I guess its time we send enlightened Americans over to South Africa to tell Blacks to quit venerating their white privilege and stop acting like racists.

This year's Minstrel Carnival will be in June. Plenty of time to book plane tickets.

Blacks can dress in white face and celebrate minstrel traditions. Insisting they stop would be racist. Meanwhile, whites can't sing EOT because its minstrel roots makes it blatantly racist. Welcome to 2021.

 

Not just its minstrel show roots, but also its ties to the Confederacy.

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2 hours ago, RollLeft said:

Exactly.  People chime in without knowing what has already been discussed and agreed upon by most of the student leadership and admin.  Tis life.

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7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Not just its minstrel show roots, but also its ties to the Confederacy.

It's "ties to the confederacy" are because Robert E. Lee allegedly once said "the eyes of the south are upon you."

Do you really believe that makes it "tied to the confederacy?" If so, we need to remove more than EOT from our nation's history.

https://buckleyschool.com/magazine/articles/the-eyes-of-the-world-are-upon-you-eisenhowers-d-day-speech/

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4 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

It's "ties to the confederacy" are because Robert E. Lee allegedly once said "the eyes of the south are upon you."

Do you really believe that makes it "tied to the confederacy?" If so, we need to remove more than EOT from our nation's history.

https://buckleyschool.com/magazine/articles/the-eyes-of-the-world-are-upon-you-eisenhowers-d-day-speech/

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No one is asking the Eyes of Texas to be removed from history. 

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20 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

"I should be able to sing the Eyes of Texas because some black people in South Africa wear white face" is a first ballot, Randolph Duke Hall of Fame post.

How about "racism anywhere, in any form, must be challenged."

If minstrel roots are the definition of blatant racism, shouldn't we be sending enlightened Americans to Cape Town to tell them to end their racist ways? Or are you one of those who willingly ignores racism out of personal convenience.

Chuckie Finster insisting that racism be ignored because he finds doing so more aligned with his "true beliefs."

(See how easy it is to ignore someone's message and instead fly off on some meaningless tangent?)

The subject is much more complex than minstrel=blatant racism. Start trying to look at the subject less superficially.

Slavery today is extremely prevalent around the world. Most people, black or white, don't care about slavery. If they did, they would try to make the world a better place and so something about the problem.

Minstrel culture is accepted as a part of life in South Africa today because of its cultural context. Cultural context. Blacks in South Africa wearing white face can sing EOT, because minstrel celebrations are accepted there, but whites singing EOT in Texas is racist. Think about that.

Yes, you can have minstrel celebrations that are not racist. Depending on the cultural context. Think about that.

Now, help me understand the cultural context of how EOT was developed.

And please site sources. I'll hang up and take my answer off line.

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The longer we keep the song and the longer we bicker about it, the worse we look. 
 

Get rid of the fucking song already (should have been done last year) and start a new tradition or school song. When we are all long and gone, this story will only be a footnote to the football national championships we will win because we dropped the song, anyway

 

Like others have said, there is no fucking way we keep the song in its current form. The sooner yall realize this, the sooner yall can accept it and move forward. 

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Just now, GreenspointTexas said:

The longer we keep the song and the longer we bicker about it, the worse we look. 
 

Get rid of the fucking song already (should have been done last year) and start a new tradition or school song. When we are all long and gone, this story will only be a footnote to the football national championships we will win because we dropped the song, anyway

 

Like others have said, there is no fucking way we keep the song in its current form. The sooner yall realize this, the sooner yall can accept it and move forward. 

It’s really that easy...At the end of the day all you want is something where everyone in the end can come together and not have any uneasy feelings...It’s really not that hard, it’s just sometimes you have ones who don’t wanna change no matter who is offended 

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4 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

The longer we keep the song and the longer we bicker about it, the worse we look. 
 

Get rid of the fucking song already (should have been done last year) and start a new tradition or school song. When we are all long and gone, this story will only be a footnote to the football national championships we will win because we dropped the song, anyway

 

Like others have said, there is no fucking way we keep the song in its current form. The sooner yall realize this, the sooner yall can accept it and move forward. 

vocal minority vs vocal minority who will win out for the majority!

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1 minute ago, GreenspointTexas said:

The longer we keep the song and the longer we bicker about it, the worse we look. 
 

Get rid of the fucking song already (should have been done last year) and start a new tradition or school song. When we are all long and gone, this story will only be a footnote to the football national championships we will win because we dropped the song, anyway

 

Like others have said, there is no fucking way we keep the song in its current form. The sooner yall realize this, the sooner yall can accept it and move forward. 

No.  I can't speak for everyone, but in the 50 plus years I have been singing the eyes, my thoughts were we are the greatest university in the greatest state.   

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24 minutes ago, tonedeaf said:

Been reading a lot of Thomas sowell, Walter williams, and Larry elder.  Eye opening.  Lots of facts.  For those easily offended, it's not for you.  🤘

“I read books by black guys who agree with me. Obviously, I'm not racist.”

Ok, now go read books by people who don't agree with you. But if you're easily offended, it's not for you.

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15 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

How about "racism anywhere, in any form, must be challenged."

If minstrel roots are the definition of blatant racism, shouldn't we be sending enlightened Americans to Cape Town to tell them to end their racist ways? Or are you one of those who willingly ignores racism out of personal convenience.

Chuckie Finster insisting that racism be ignored because he finds doing so more aligned with his "true beliefs."

(See how easy it is to ignore someone's message and instead fly off on some meaningless tangent?)

The subject is much more complex than minstrel=blatant racism. Start trying to look at the subject less superficially.

Slavery today is extremely prevalent around the world. Most people, black or white, don't care about slavery. If they did, they would try to make the world a better place and so something about the problem.

Minstrel culture is accepted as a part of life in South Africa today because of its cultural context. Cultural context. Blacks in South Africa wearing white face can sing EOT, because minstrel celebrations are accepted there, but whites singing EOT in Texas is racist. Think about that.

Yes, you can have minstrel celebrations that are not racist. Depending on the cultural context. Think about that.

Now, help me understand the cultural context of how EOT was developed.

And please site sources. I'll hang up and take my answer off line.

Is there a carbon monoxide leak in your house

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9 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

The longer we keep the song and the longer we bicker about it, the worse we look. 
 

Get rid of the fucking song already (should have been done last year) and start a new tradition or school song. When we are all long and gone, this story will only be a footnote to the football national championships we will win because we dropped the song, anyway

 

Like others have said, there is no fucking way we keep the song in its current form. The sooner yall realize this, the sooner yall can accept it and move forward. 

Ricky and Earl still want it sung. The Godfather’s have spoken. Some of the coolest moments in my and many other Longhorn fans life has been singing the eyes before and after every game

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13 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

The longer we keep the song and the longer we bicker about it, the worse we look. 
 

Get rid of the fucking song already (should have been done last year) and start a new tradition or school song. When we are all long and gone, this story will only be a footnote to the football national championships we will win because we dropped the song, anyway

 

Like others have said, there is no fucking way we keep the song in its current form. The sooner yall realize this, the sooner yall can accept it and move forward. 

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5 minutes ago, USMCHorn said:

“I read books by black guys who agree with me. Obviously, I'm not racist.”

Ok, now go read books by people who don't agree with you. But if you're easily offended, it's not for you.

Like Acho's book?  Done that.  Others too.  More opinions than facts mostly.  Funny how all mention slavery but never mention the 1300 year muslim slave trade in africa.  Or how it was the white people that ended slavery.  Or how Muslims casterated the black slaves.  And so on.  Most of the other books just tell me how guilty I should feel for something that happened 5-6 generations before I was born.  I can turn on the TV for that. 

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21 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Is there a carbon monoxide leak in your house

When the importance of cultural context is brought up, all you could think of was a carbon monoxide leak.

We thank you for your insightful contribution.

Cultural context. Ignoring it only shows your ignorance.

The argument that EOT is racist because it is attached to minstrel culture and of Robert E. Lee's alleged statement is an argument based on ignorance.

Hopefully, the commission's report will add the required cultural context and we can finally move this discussion forward.

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19 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

Its odd how they use racist arguments to support keeping a non-racist song

We do not agree often, but absolutely this. I’m amazed at the stupidity and balls (always a great combo) of people in my parents’ generation. 

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1 hour ago, Randolph Duke said:

The people who find EOT racist because of its "minstrel roots" would be blown away to learn that to this very day there is a Minstrel Carnival in Cape Town where Blacks wear white face and dress in striped jackets.

I guess its time we send enlightened Americans over to South Africa to tell Blacks to quit venerating their white privilege and stop acting like racists.

This year's Minstrel Carnival will be in June. Plenty of time to book plane tickets.

Blacks can dress in white face and celebrate minstrel traditions. Insisting they stop would be racist. Meanwhile, whites can't sing EOT because its minstrel roots makes it blatantly racist. Welcome to 2021.

 

Really bad news for the Cape Town Longhorns rugby team. 

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20 minutes ago, Fletch said:

Ricky and Earl still want it sung. The Godfather’s have spoken. Some of the coolest moments in my and many other Longhorn fans life has been singing the eyes before and after every game

Lol really?? Y’all are missing out if some of y’all’s coolest moments in a rich Texas sports history was singing a song...ijs 

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1 minute ago, D3zii said:

Lol really?? Y’all are missing out if some of y’all’s coolest moments in a rich Texas sports history was singing a song...ijs 

I usually enjoy the game more than singing a song at the end of the game, but that's just me. 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

I usually enjoy the game more than singing a song at the end of the game, but that's just me. 

Cool.  I enjoy the game too, but one of the unique qualities of college football is the tradition.  

Did you ever think the song was in any way racist until this became a headline? 

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16 minutes ago, tonedeaf said:

Like Acho's book?  Done that.  Others too.  More opinions than facts mostly.  Funny how all mention slavery but never mention the 1300 year muslim slave trade in africa.  Or how it was the white people that ended slavery.  Or how Muslims casterated the black slaves.  And so on.  Most of the other books just tell me how guilty I should feel for something that happened 5-6 generations before I was born.  I can turn on the TV for that. 

Funny how when talking about America we don't also incorporate Pluto in the discussion. 

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1 minute ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

Cool.  I enjoy the game too, but one of the unique qualities of college football is the tradition.  

Did you ever think the song was in any way racist until this became a headline? 

No, but to be quite frank, I graduated college and didn't really think about it much anymore.  It's not like I stood in my living room and sang it after a game. 

If you do, cool for you. 

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2 minutes ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

Cool.  I enjoy the game too, but one of the unique qualities of college football is the tradition.  

Did you ever think the song was in any way racist until this became a headline? 

No. Personally, I still don't think the song itself is racist.

But it does have obvious ties to racists and racism. 

Which is why it is going to be retired sometime in the not too distant future. 

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1 minute ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

Cool.  I enjoy the game too, but one of the unique qualities of college football is the tradition.  

Did you ever think the song was in any way racist until this became a headline? 

Honestly no, never paid it any attention. But when you know better you do better, that’s how the world works now...It’s not the University of Eyes of Texas lol, rather we change the song or not we are still going to be the University of Texas, the song does not define us. 

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9 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I usually enjoy the game more than singing a song at the end of the game, but that's just me. 

Lol same, I definitely enjoyed winning games way more 

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1 minute ago, Machinator said:

Can I get a fact check from RD or someone else who follows this stuff?

 

Well the problem is Texas Athletics is basically run by a junta of big time boosters. 

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Just now, Js1 said:

Well the problem is Texas Athletics is basically run by a junta of big time boosters. 

Which just shows that people outside the program are right....Texas has a big problem of to many cooks in the kitchen just cause they have a big pocket book 

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In this as with all politically charged issues in the 21st century, both sides seem unwilling to show empathy to the opposition and see their perspective. 
 

I thought the university had a committee and would find a compromised solution like denouncing racism and educating on minstrel shows and other bigoted parts of university history, without canceling a song that is not itself racist. Old honkies don’t care what “the blacks” think, while progressives and SJWs seem bent on eradicating it. Seeming charged myself, can we not get to a place where people don’t feel the need to be offended and seek out controversy where none exists? This is way beyond EOT. Society is devolving into an Us vs Them turf war where one side is portrayed as being intolerant to any change while the other side would be content tearing everything down originating or celebrating a time, person, or event that occurred prior to whatever period is compliant with the contemporary acceptable social narrative. 

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13 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I usually enjoy the game more than singing a song at the end of the game, but that's just me. 

Maybe someone can start a message board devoted to the song.

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2 minutes ago, D3zii said:

Which just shows that people outside the program are right....Texas has a big problem of to many cooks in the kitchen just cause they have a big pocket book 

Well yeah. Texas can forego all donor money and still be a top 5 profitable program in the country but we wouldn't be #1 and win all those Revenue Championships, which is and seemingly has been the goal of the Athletics Department since the 80s. 

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Not sure why this is so hard. Let those that want to sing the song, sing the song, and whoever doesn’t want to sing it shouldn’t have to and nobody should care about the other persons decision. Why this wasn’t the compromise from the beginning I have no idea. Fuck this stupid as song shit.

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