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1 hour ago, Walden Ponderer said:

The question that comes to my mind 90% of the time when people follow someone for supposedly being "alpha". Most of the time, genuine Betas don't know who to actually follow, because genuinely "Alpha" people don't actually need any fucking followers, and don't pave a road for them. The people most worth following do, in fact, have followers, but typically not that many.

Quiet, "servant' leadership.  Kind of the opposite of teh Donald.  Winters, not Sobel.

Even if he wasn't a failed businessman, it's pretty obvious that he has never exerted any kind of organizational leadership.  Trump is a mixture of Sobel and Dike.

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Quiet, "servant' leadership.  Kind of the opposite of teh Donald.  Winters, not Sobel.

Even if he wasn't a failed businessman, it's pretty obvious that he has never exerted any kind of organizational leadership.  Trump is a mixture of Sobel and Dike.

It does still amaze me how many people have ZERO clue what "leadership" actually looks like.

If I was dealing with a character exactly like Donald J. Trump, except he was the CEO/GM of one of my clients (and FTR, I HAVE dealt with similar characters), my conversations with the board/governing body would be rather plain: you have a leadership problem at the top.  Nobody is actually running the systems that need running, and even if he was trying to, he has no idea how to do it, no clue how they run, etc.  And he commands no actual respect, nor does he conduct any effective delegation.  The leadership model is simply one of fealty/loyalty to him, not to the organization.  So, even his lieutenants aren't doing their jobs (handling company matters) because he has re-defined their jobs as "serve the CEO's ego."  You have dysfunction all the way down, because that's the culture created at the top.  And the problems that causes are manifold: non-functioning systems, corruption and self-dealing, fear among employees and even stakeholders, etc.  He's not just incompetent, he's toxic and counter-productive to your entire mission.

I would say that if my client was a country, a city, or a local hamburger chain with four locations.  

Yet tens of millions of people think that if you are a blatant asshole, who projects assholery, you are a "leader."  78 million of us would vote for Sobel.  Anyone who has any real experience inside a unit of any sort would choose Winters.  But in the end, I think the Sobel model will ultimately win, because stupidity is our national brand.

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11 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

There's multiple ways paying off a porn star can be done illegally; not all of the laws potentially being broken were necessarily under FEC purview.

This^

All interstate porn star hush bribes are federal crimes, but not all porn star bribes involve FEC officials.  Dammit, I had something for this! 

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3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

It does still amaze me how many people have ZERO clue what "leadership" actually looks like.

If I was dealing with a character exactly like Donald J. Trump, except he was the CEO/GM of one of my clients (and FTR, I HAVE dealt with similar characters), my conversations with the board/governing body would be rather plain: you have a leadership problem at the top.  Nobody is actually running the systems that need running, and even if he was trying to, he has no idea how to do it, no clue how they run, etc.  And he commands no actual respect, nor does he conduct any effective delegation.  The leadership model is simply one of fealty/loyalty to him, not to the organization. 

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Yet tens of millions of people think that if you are a blatant asshole, who projects assholery, you are a "leader."  78 million of us would vote for Sobel.  Anyone who has any real experience inside a unit of any sort would choose Winters.  But in the end, I think the Sobel model will ultimately win, because stupidity is our national brand.

All of this.  Alpha male leaders/whatever, do not spend hours every day camped out twitter and coming up with really childish nicknames for their competitors, and whining about shit that happened years ago, to somebody who didn't even become a CEO.

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HAHAHA, he's slumming with Bill O'Reilly

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/7/donald-trump-conduct-history-tour-his-presidency-t/

Former President Donald Trump announced Monday that he will go on a “history tour” to discuss hispresidency for paying customers at arenas in Florida and Texas in December.

Mr. Trump will attend four events with former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly in a series of live discussions to address “exactly how things were accomplished, as well as challenges, both good and bad,” the former president said in a statement.

“These will be wonderful but hard-hitting sessions where we’ll talk about the real problems happening in the U.S., those that the fake news media never mention,” Mr. Trump said. “I will be focusing on greatness for our Country, something seldom discussed in political dialogue.

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“My job as a historian/journalist is to get important things on the record in a fact-based way,” Mr. O’Reilly said in a statement. “These conversations with the 45th President will not be boring.”

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

I will be focusing on......the most general generality of generalities.  So, like, the opposite of "focus."

I will be focusing on ticket sales, and by that I mean greatness for our country.  I mean, well, you know what I mean, thinking about campaigning in 2024 is expensive.

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Do you realize the money we could raise dovetailing on these events with our "Trump Presidential Library Exploratory Committee"?  

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22 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

HAHAHA, he's slumming with Bill O'Reilly

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/7/donald-trump-conduct-history-tour-his-presidency-t/

Former President Donald Trump announced Monday that he will go on a “history tour” to discuss hispresidency for paying customers at arenas in Florida and Texas in December.

Mr. Trump will attend four events with former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly in a series of live discussions to address “exactly how things were accomplished, as well as challenges, both good and bad,” the former president said in a statement.

“These will be wonderful but hard-hitting sessions where we’ll talk about the real problems happening in the U.S., those that the fake news media never mention,” Mr. Trump said. “I will be focusing on greatness for our Country, something seldom discussed in political dialogue.

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“My job as a historian/journalist is to get important things on the record in a fact-based way,” Mr. O’Reilly said in a statement. “These conversations with the 45th President will not be boring.”

Hey Bill, after this is all done, how bout we both go out and sexually assault some women?  

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12 hours ago, Underdog said:

Only so many prayers to go around, not wasting any on that pos. 

It’s not like physical exercise where you only have a finite amount of exertion of which you’re capable. You can make as many silent supplications to an imaginary super-being as you wish. It’s literally the least you can do in any situation. 

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

HAHAHA, he's slumming with Bill O'Reilly

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/7/donald-trump-conduct-history-tour-his-presidency-t/

Former President Donald Trump announced Monday that he will go on a “history tour” to discuss hispresidency for paying customers at arenas in Florida and Texas in December.

Mr. Trump will attend four events with former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly in a series of live discussions to address “exactly how things were accomplished, as well as challenges, both good and bad,” the former president said in a statement.

“These will be wonderful but hard-hitting sessions where we’ll talk about the real problems happening in the U.S., those that the fake news media never mention,” Mr. Trump said. “I will be focusing on greatness for our Country, something seldom discussed in political dialogue.

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“My job as a historian/journalist is to get important things on the record in a fact-based way,” Mr. O’Reilly said in a statement. “These conversations with the 45th President will not be boring.”

I'll go, but only if Diamond & Silk open for them.

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8 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

It does still amaze me how many people have ZERO clue what "leadership" actually looks like.

If I was dealing with a character exactly like Donald J. Trump, except he was the CEO/GM of one of my clients (and FTR, I HAVE dealt with similar characters), my conversations with the board/governing body would be rather plain: you have a leadership problem at the top.  Nobody is actually running the systems that need running, and even if he was trying to, he has no idea how to do it, no clue how they run, etc.  And he commands no actual respect, nor does he conduct any effective delegation.  The leadership model is simply one of fealty/loyalty to him, not to the organization.  So, even his lieutenants aren't doing their jobs (handling company matters) because he has re-defined their jobs as "serve the CEO's ego."  You have dysfunction all the way down, because that's the culture created at the top.  And the problems that causes are manifold: non-functioning systems, corruption and self-dealing, fear among employees and even stakeholders, etc.  He's not just incompetent, he's toxic and counter-productive to your entire mission.

I would say that if my client was a country, a city, or a local hamburger chain with four locations.  

Yet tens of millions of people think that if you are a blatant asshole, who projects assholery, you are a "leader."  78 million of us would vote for Sobel.  Anyone who has any real experience inside a unit of any sort would choose Winters.  But in the end, I think the Sobel model will ultimately win, because stupidity is our national brand.

i stand by asseration that once we get enough meglomaniacs running around they eventually bump into each other and voila you get war. world war, whatever. 

i have fresh firsthand experience with someone like this. never interacted in the wild with anyone like this until just the past year or two. they are high functioning though, so not incompetent like trump, but nonetheless they are a vacuum of leadership. and we live in a society where that flourishes. and that is not sustainable as we know.

what a la la

 

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4 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

so many times in that speech (not in that clip) he mentions how the dems are all aligned and sticking together, but the gop isn't.

he knows it's the opposite, right?  there are like 3 sensible republicans left and they stick out like a sore thumb.

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8 hours ago, ultimaton said:

If you're in prison, do you have to buy your adult diapers from the commissary, or do you get them rationed out to you through the prison's medical ward? Asking for a friend disgraced former president.

Well,  they don't sell them on commissary,  so I'd assume medical? 

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22 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I pray his health completely gives out and he dies.  Technically I'm praying for his health.

I don’t pray, but I’ve been hoping he’d die since about 5 seconds after his inauguration 

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9 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

so many times in that speech (not in that clip) he mentions how the dems are all aligned and sticking together, but the gop isn't.

he knows it's the opposite, right?  there are like 3 sensible republicans left and they stick out like a sore thumb.

Well, I think at some level he understands that his base (the voters, not the pols) is a fragile coalition of wildly disparate interests and unformed thoughts that are ultimately incompatible with each other, so he has to stoke the fear to keep them from turning on one another and on him (e.g. Qanon). Because as soon as he loses the ability to manipulate that lot, he loses all his power.

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22 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Imagine watching that shit and thinking, “Yep, that’s my guy.” I’ll never understand it.

The people that think that never watch that shit.  They just get a dishonest summary headline of the speech.  

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And they laughed and cheered.

This….this is not an anomaly. Tens of millions of Americans are flat-out awful human beings . They are the comical caricature of the bully in 80s movies. They LIKE making fun of the weak and different, torturing them and treating them cruelly. As always….the cruelty is the point.

Never defend or excuse them. They are awful humans who worship an awful human.
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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


This….this is not an anomaly. Tens of millions of Americans are flat-out awful human beings . They are the comical caricature of the bully in 80s movies. They LIKE making fun of the weak and different, torturing them abs treating them cruelly. As always….the cruelty is the point.

Never defend or excuse them. They are awful humans who worship an awful human.

That's optimistic.

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Well, I think at some level he understands that his base (the voters, not the pols) is a fragile coalition of wildly disparate interests and unformed thoughts that are ultimately incompatible with each other, so he has to stoke the fear to keep them from turning on one another and on him (e.g. Qanon). Because as soon as he loses the ability to manipulate that lot, he loses all his power.

“Own the Libs” is a cohesive monolith. So I disagree.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/09/joshua-hall-trump-imposter-fraud/?outputType=amp

Others getting in on the grift game. 

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Hall, now 22, allegedly posed as the former president’s brother, along with numerous other relatives, including his minor son Barron, as part of a scheme to steal thousands from Trump supporters who thought they were donating to help his campaign.

But now getting charged with fraud, so, we need to figure that part out. 

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