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I've been meaning to do some research on treason, the actual crime, as opposed to the generalized term that gets thrown around.

As I suspected, since WWII, treason has been interpreted to require that the US be at war with a declared enemy. https://www.alternet.org/2018/07/here-are-all-people-whove-been-convicted-treason-us-and-ones-who-were-punished-execution/ This isn't a legal article, per se, but supports that interpretation, as does the Supreme Court case of Cramer v. United States.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cramer_v._United_States

So, treason isn't legally on the table for Trump and his minions, including any of the 1/6ers.

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20 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I've been meaning to do some research on treason, the actual crime, as opposed to the generalized term that gets thrown around.

As I suspected, since WWII, treason has been interpreted to require that the US be at war with a declared enemy. https://www.alternet.org/2018/07/here-are-all-people-whove-been-convicted-treason-us-and-ones-who-were-punished-execution/ This isn't a legal article, per se, but supports that interpretation, as does the Supreme Court case of Cramer v. United States.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cramer_v._United_States

So, treason isn't legally on the table for Trump and his minions, including any of the 1/6ers.

That's been my read as well, although w/o the legal training to actually make the call.  It doesn't mean there aren't plenty of legitimate crimes that were committed by some of these folks.

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20 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I've been meaning to do some research on treason, the actual crime, as opposed to the generalized term that gets thrown around.

As I suspected, since WWII, treason has been interpreted to require that the US be at war with a declared enemy. https://www.alternet.org/2018/07/here-are-all-people-whove-been-convicted-treason-us-and-ones-who-were-punished-execution/ This isn't a legal article, per se, but supports that interpretation, as does the Supreme Court case of Cramer v. United States.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cramer_v._United_States

So, treason isn't legally on the table for Trump and his minions, including any of the 1/6ers.

So no American has been charged with treason since ww2 or earlier?

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2 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Final jury:

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This guy just started liking white people recently:

The man was “Blacks for Trump” founder Maurice Symonette, a.k.a. Michael the Black Man, a former member of a violent cult who posts anti-Semitic screeds and racist conspiracy theories online, and yet has been a featured member of the audience at Trump campaign events since 2016.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I've been meaning to do some research on treason, the actual crime, as opposed to the generalized term that gets thrown around.

As I suspected, since WWII, treason has been interpreted to require that the US be at war with a declared enemy. https://www.alternet.org/2018/07/here-are-all-people-whove-been-convicted-treason-us-and-ones-who-were-punished-execution/ This isn't a legal article, per se, but supports that interpretation, as does the Supreme Court case of Cramer v. United States.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cramer_v._United_States

So, treason isn't legally on the table for Trump and his minions, including any of the 1/6ers.

While you are correct, I do not give a shit and as you know the law is subject to reinterpretation and change. What has happened here warrants it. 

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27 minutes ago, Satchel said:

This guy just started liking white people recently:

The man was “Blacks for Trump” founder Maurice Symonette, a.k.a. Michael the Black Man, a former member of a violent cult who posts anti-Semitic screeds and racist conspiracy theories online, and yet has been a featured member of the audience at Trump campaign events since 2016.

Probably one of the very rare few that Donnie’s checks have cleared for. 

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3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's been my read as well, although w/o the legal training to actually make the call.  It doesn't mean there aren't plenty of legitimate crimes that were committed by some of these folks.

No question. We have seditious conspiracy now. I have no explanation for the lack of insurrection charges. 

 

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8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Did Newt elaborate as to the crimes he believes the select committee members have committed?

No?

Oh.

Or that Congress is constitutionally incapable of sending anyone to jail?  Or even prosecuting them?

The rhetoric from the right is, in addition to being insidious, deeply moronic.

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I love her attempt to be relatable.  

"What do the poors that keep sending us money like to eat in Winter?  Ahh, I'll make some chili.  How hard can it be?  First thing I'll need to do though is get a manicure and starch my cooking blazer."  

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5 minutes ago, Lobo said:

I love her attempt to be relatable.  

"What do the poors that keep sending us money like to eat in Winter?  Ahh, I'll make some chili.  How hard can it be?  First thing I'll need to do though is get a manicure and starch my cooking blazer."  

Yep. Her el Salvadoran chef is just off camera. 

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4 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

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i've told this story a few times on here, or previous heres. i saw this cocksucker newt in person in DC once. he gave a speech at an event i was at. i didn't even know he was on the menu. motherfucker got up there and he was genuinely good. he was so on point with so much of what he was talking about i thought maybe it was the alien version of him.

then there is this version of him. makes you wonder about the simulation. does he believe this? want this? this is a very intelligent person who is a hitman for the republicans when called on. i see it, i have seent it, i can just never fully understand what is going on in that 2 faced head of his. 

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Do you suppose her facial expression changes when she smells something rank?
No, she has years of feigning that face while Newt on Cialis slides a couple flaccid inches in her for a few seconds. That's called Saturday in the Gingrich domecile.


Sorry to any lady's on this board for your parts just drying up. imagine Chris Hemsworth
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Amazingly cyber ninja fumbling around there for months and couldn’t find this most obvious evidence of actual, widespread voter fraud.  

also, when did rolling stone magazine get so good at finding hidden political correspondence?

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23 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

While you are correct, I do not give a shit and as you know the law is subject to reinterpretation and change. What has happened here warrants it. 

Well, statutory law like that is less likely to be re-interpreted than some common law doctrine.

But there seems to be a sort of unstated feeling that people should be charged with treason, and that is likely not going to happen because of the language of the current statute.  And, to try to re-interpret it now would probably pose ex post facto problems.

My post was intended as an explainer.

And, as mentioned in my follow-up, we now have people charged with seditious conspiracy, which seems appropriate.

I am still a bit puzzled about the lack of charges of insurrection, but I don't think anyone has ever been charged with insurrection in the US.

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6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, statutory law like that is less likely to be re-interpreted than some common law doctrine.

But there seems to be a sort of unstated feeling that people should be charged with treason, and that is likely not going to happen because of the language of the current statute.  And, to try to re-interpret it now would probably pose ex post facto problems.

My post was intended as an explainer.

And, as mentioned in my follow-up, we now have people charged with seditious conspiracy, which seems appropriate.

I am still a bit puzzled about the lack of charges of insurrection, but I don't think anyone has ever been charged with insurrection in the US.

I don't necessarily care what it is called, but the people at the top of this conspiracy to overthrow a duly elected government need a penalty harsh enough to deter others from trying again.  Life without parole or death seem to me to be the only options here.  I fully expect them to get nothing or a fine though.

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