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27 minutes ago, Bottlecap said:

Which of the proposed host cities have a stadium plan in the works (or potentially in the works)? Eight years is an eternity for American sports stadiums. Surely there will be some badass ones that will go unused because they weren't even an inkling of an idea when the host bids for cities went out.

Potential cities for new NFL stadiums:  Nashville (1999), Washington DC (Redskins 1997, Ravens 1998), Cincinnati (2000), Kansas City (1972, recent minor renovations), Miami (1987, major renovation a few years ago.

I think the Titans and the Redskins would have the best shot of having a new stadium ready by 2028. Titans lease is up in 2028 but there is already talk of a big renovation package. Redskins lease is up in 2027 and they are already looking at new stadium sites.

 

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58 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Am I the only person that still thinks that a 3 host tournament (3 huge countries, in fact) is a monumentally dumb idea? Or are we just kinda putting that behind us now?

Next cycle, Europe should bid. They could have games in like 14 different countries.

 

Yes and no. 1st off it's being hosted by the US and the US is kicking a handful of group stage games to their neighbors to the north and south. Mexico and Canada were never going to win bids on their own, so to them it's a huge win to be able to host ANY WC games. 

As for the "huge countries" my guess they will be smart enough to put group stage games in the same geographical area so teams aren't traveling as far as some had to in Brazil. 

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1 hour ago, tokamak said:

Am I the only person that still thinks that a 3 host tournament (3 huge countries, in fact) is a monumentally dumb idea? Or are we just kinda putting that behind us now?

Next cycle, Europe should bid. They could have games in like 14 different countries.

Who cares if it is a bad idea or not. It is here and for those of us here we get to go to games at manageable prices (si dios me da licencia). Also, the teams we care about will have huge advantages. USA will play in cities they prefer. Mexico will play with home field advantage crowds be it Mexico or the USA. Canada will get to finally play in a WC.

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

It's a shame Vancouver backed out of the bid as that would be a nice tie in with Seattle being fairly close. I worry about Seattle's chances being so isolated out west. 

I think Seattle has a real legitimate shot.  It is a big soccer town and the city will really support it. 

Vancouver, Chicago, and Minneapolis chose to take its towns out of contention due to FIFA's demands.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fifa-follies-chicago-minneapolis-join-vancouver-in-saying-no-to-hosting-2026-world-cup-games-1.4577941

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7 minutes ago, mdmost said:

It's a shame Vancouver backed out of the bid as that would be a nice tie in with Seattle being fairly close. I worry about Seattle's chances being so isolated out west. 

I think Seattle has a real legitimate shot.  It is a big soccer town and the city will really support it. 

Vancouver, Chicago, and Minneapolis chose to take its towns out of contention due to FIFA's demands.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fifa-follies-chicago-minneapolis-join-vancouver-in-saying-no-to-hosting-2026-world-cup-games-1.4577941

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47 minutes ago, The Tower said:

I think Seattle has a real legitimate shot.  It is a big soccer town and the city will really support it. 

Vancouver, Chicago, and Minneapolis chose to take its towns out of contention due to FIFA's demands.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fifa-follies-chicago-minneapolis-join-vancouver-in-saying-no-to-hosting-2026-world-cup-games-1.4577941

Didn't they already choose all the sites? Not that it couldn't change between now and then. 

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what's fucked about the 48-team setup is 16 groups of 3 which will play:

matchday 1

a vs. c

matchday 2

b vs. c

matchday 3

a vs. b

the 3rd-seeded team will have no idea what they have to do on matchday 2 to either stay alive or win their group, and the 2nd-seeded team will have less rest before facing the 1st-seeded team.

is there any other way to do this that does not disadvantage a group #1 seed?   i don't see how.

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6 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Didn't they already choose all the sites? Not that it couldn't change between now and then. 

vancouver and chicago are just being bitchassed because bc place and soldier field aren't big enough.

minneapolis has their head up their ass with their new palace close to canada they could have easily bagged r32/r16 knockouts that would have been the parachute sites for canada if they finished 2nd in group.

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2 hours ago, tokamak said:

Am I the only person that still thinks that a 3 host tournament (3 huge countries, in fact) is a monumentally dumb idea? Or are we just kinda putting that behind us now?

Next cycle, Europe should bid. They could have games in like 14 different countries.

It is kind of stupid for us since we are a big ass country, but really, most European countries only have 1 or 2 cities, and regional bids make sense for Benelux, the Baltics, Scandinavia, or the Balkans. The Qatar bullshit should never happen again, but that was more about corruption than the qualities of the bid itself. 

 

That being said I dont mind throwing Canada and Mexico a bone.

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6 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

vancouver and chicago are just being bitchassed because bc place and soldier field aren't big enough.

minneapolis has their head up their ass with their new palace close to canada they could have easily bagged r32/r16 knockouts that would have been the parachute sites for canada if they finished 2nd in group.

Soldier Field isnt much smaller than some of the US venues that are still in. Vancouver is a bigger venue than Edmonton, I would think. 

I'm more pissed that Jerry world is getting in over the Cotton Bowl. Cotton Bowl is such a better venue for sports. Jerry world is like a mild sedative. Both Jerry and the Yankees fucked up by tearing down their classic distinctive stadiums and replacing them with McMansion versions of generic stadiums. 

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40 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

what's fucked about the 48-team setup is 16 groups of 3 which will play:

matchday 1

a vs. c

matchday 2

b vs. c

matchday 3

a vs. b

the 3rd-seeded team will have no idea what they have to do on matchday 2 to either stay alive or win their group, and the 2nd-seeded team will have less rest before facing the 1st-seeded team.

is there any other way to do this that does not disadvantage a group #1 seed?   i don't see how.

it's fucking stupid and completely against the spirit of how soccer traditionally works.

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They need to take the bottom 24 and do a play in death match or something. 8 groups of 3 on a specially designed triangular 3 goal field. They play one game, team with the highest score advances to the group stage. 2 balls on the field.

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1 minute ago, skipperj said:

They need to take the bottom 24 and do a play in death match or something. 8 groups of 3 on a specially designed triangular 3 goal field. They play one game, team with the highest score advances to the group stage. 2 balls on the field.

keep sniffing that glue skipper

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2 minutes ago, skipperj said:

They need to take the bottom 24 and do a play in death match or something. 8 groups of 3 on a specially designed triangular 3 goal field. They play one game, team with the highest score advances to the group stage. 2 balls on the field.

There were 2 balls on your mom's field last night.

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the ac/bc/ab problem is even worse.  i forgot about algeria '82.   four groups paired in the round of 32 are going to have to play simultaneously on matchday 3.

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The day in 1982 when the world wept for Algeria

In the 1982 World Cup in Spain Algeria shone – before being sent home by one of the most cynical ploys ever to disfigure the competition

It was the best of times, it was one of the worst of footballing crimes. On their first appearance at the World Cup, Algeria made an impact that changed the tournament forever. They produced one of the most exhilarating performances to defeat one of the favourites, West Germany, but were then sabotaged by one of sport's most blatant cases of match-fixing.

The 1982 World Cup had opened with a surprise, the holders Argentina losing 1-0 to Belgium, but a far bigger shock was to follow. In the first match of Group 2, the mighty West Germany would surely crush the unknown novices from Algeria. That, at any rate, was the German attitude.

The reigning European champions had stomped imperiously into the finals, winning all eight qualifiers with a goals for-against record of 33-3. They had a constellation of stars in their squad – Paul Breitner, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Uli Stielike and so on – and were so certain of victory over Algeria that they entertained themselves in the pre-match press conferences by ridiculing their opponents. "We will dedicate our seventh goal to our wives, and the eighth to our dogs," quipped one player, while the manager, Jupp Derwall, promised that if his team contrived to lose he would "jump on the first train back to Munich".

"One player even said that he would play against us with a cigar in his mouth," recalls Algeria's full-back Chaabane Merzekane, who, as it transpired, was made man of the match. "Some of us wondered if this was just a psychological ploy, whether they were only saying these things to lull us into thinking that they weren't going to take us seriously – after all, who has ever heard of a German team that doesn't do its homework?"

The thing was, this German team really had not done their homework. Derwall confessed after the match that he had been provided with a video of Algeria in action but did not order the players to watch it because they would have laughed at him. Chances are that if they had bothered to view the tape, they would not have spent the build-up cracking jokes. Because they would have been forewarned about a team that had qualified by winning home and away against Nigeria, and prepared for the finals with impressive friendly wins over the Republic of Ireland, Real Madrid and Benfica. The Germans might also have noticed that, apart from their skill and speed, Algeria played with formidable fluency and a rare dynamism, the fruit both of the players' familiarity with each other – all had been playing together for years and most were based at home, Algerian law at the time prohibiting players from leaving the country before the age of 28 – and of an energising sense of historical duty.

These players, after all, were the heirs of those who in 1958 had given up professional careers in France to participate in Algeria's war of independence. The football team created by Algeria's resistance movement, the Front de Libération Nationale, travelled the world, showcasing Algerian spirit and skill and serving as a powerful propaganda tool in the fight for freedom. When the country finally attained independence in 1962 the FLN team composed the core of the new national side.

"Because of this history, the bond between the Algerian national team and our people is uniquely strong and we took the comments by the Germans before the game as a slur on our population," the striker Lakhdar Belloumi says, pointing out that several former FLN players were part of the coaching staff in 1982, including Abdelhamid Zouba and the co-manager Rachid Mekloufi.

"We had our parents at home, but we players also considered that we had our parents with us at pitch-side," Belloumi explains. "Those guys from the FLN were like our second fathers – in their day they abandoned fame and fortune to fight for their country and we were carrying on that fight. We were already a tight-knit group, but we were given extra motivation by the Germans, especially as we were very conscious that 1982 was the 20th anniversary of our independence. We were determined to uphold the dignity of our people."

Germany were about to be jolted. "We went out to attack them, to play with our style: Algerian vivacity," Merzekane says, who personified this style more than anyone, forcing Breitner on to the back foot with barnstorming breaks from deep. "We knew he liked to attack, that he was the best in the world at it, so we set out to exploit that – that was part of our tactical triumph. But we also dominated them technically and physically." Dominated is an exaggeration, but certainly Algeria were the better team in the first half and deserved their opening goal when it came in the 54th minute, Rabah Madjer finishing off a sweeping break.

Rummenigge equalised in the 67th minute, but if the Germans thought order had been restored, they were wrong. From the restart a nine-pass Algeria move ended with Belloumi arriving unmarked to slam the ball in from close range. "That was the finest moment of my career," says Belloumi, who after the tournament would receive permission from the Algerian government to accept a transfer to Italy, only for the move to fall through.

"It was the perfect goal, one of the best moves of the whole tournament," says Merzekane. "And after that we didn't hang on, we continued to attack and we could have won by three or four." It finished 2-1.

Merzekane's swashbuckling performance left ITV's commentator Hugh Johns almost breathless with admiration. "He's one of the discoveries of the World Cup!" gushed Johns, offering an accurate assessment even if it was only the third day of the tournament, and the full-back could have added a goal himself, when in the 88th minute he slalomed from his own box into the German area before being foiled by the goalkeeper Harald Schumacher. "It was a lung-bursting run and more proof that we were fitter and stronger than the European champions," says Merzekane. "But that wasn't a surprise to us – in those days there were no visa issues so as teens many of us had travelled and played against Europeans. We knew they were not better than us."

At the final whistle there were raucous celebrations in Gijón's El Molinón stadium and all over Algeria. West Germany was plunged into mourning. "This feels like the sinking of the Titanic," declared the Süddeutsche Zeitung. Algeria's players resisted the temptation to rub their noses in it. "We respected the German team and we respected their country, we were just delighted that we had also made them respect ours," says Belloumi.

The euphoria lasted for days and left them drained and, to their cost, a trifle complacent for their next game, against Austria. They lost 2-0.

"That's where we showed our inexperience," says Belloumi. "We should have kept a cool head before that game and probably changed a couple of players but, in fairness to the Austrians, they had studied our style and knew we could be vulnerable on the counterattack." In contrast to Derwall's wilful ignorance, Austria's manager, Georg Schmidt, had been monitoring Algeria since the Africa Cup of Nations in Libya earlier that year. Fabio Capello, whose England team take on Algeria in Cape Town on Friday, would never make the same mistake as Derwall.

Algeria recovered their vivacity for the final group game against Chile and quickly swept into a 3-0 lead. In a helter-skelter second half the South Americans struck back twice. "Again we showed our inexperience, we should have seen that match out and preserved our three‑goal lead," Belloumi says. Merzekane disagrees. "Some say we should have stopped attacking but we had come to the World Cup to show the Algerian style and we weren't about to start playing defensively."

The 3-2 victory still meant Algeria would become the first African team to reach the second round unless the group's final game, to be played the following day, ended in a one- or two-goal win for West Germany over Austria, in which case both the European teams would progress at Algeria's expense. In the 10th minute of that match Horst Hrubesch put the Germans in front. Then … nothing happened. Realising the scoreline suited both of them, Germany and Austria effectively stopped playing. In the ensuing 80 minutes there were no shots, and barely any tackles, crosses or sprints. The game was no longer a contest, it was a conspiracy. The teams' cynicism provoked universal scorn.

A smattering of Algerian fans in the Gijón crowd burned peseta notes to show their suspicions of corruption, while most of the Spaniards in attendance waved hankies throughout the second half in a traditional display of disdain. The next day newspapers in Spain denounced "El Anschluss" and there was outrage in Wst Germany and Austria too. Eberhard Stanjek, commentating for the German channel ARD, almost sobbed during the match as he lamented: "What is happening here is disgraceful and has nothing to do with football. You can say what you like, but not every end justifies the means." The Austrian commentator, meanwhile, told viewers to turn off their sets and refused to speak for the last half-hour. Former West German international Willi Schulz branded the German players "gangsters".

The gangsters, however, were unapologetic. When German fans gathered at the team hotel to protest, the players responded by throwing water bombs at them from their balconies.

Even less bothered was the head of the Austrian delegation, Hans Tschak, who made these extraordinary comments: "Naturally today's game was played tactically. But if 10,000 'sons of the desert' here in the stadium want to trigger a scandal because of this it just goes to show that they have too few schools. Some sheikh comes out of an oasis, is allowed to get a sniff of World Cup air after 300 years and thinks he's entitled to open his gob."

Did the Algerian players take offence? Not at all, Merzekane says. "We weren't angry, we were cool," he says. "To see two big powers debasing themselves in order to eliminate us was a tribute to Algeria. They progressed with dishonour, we went out with our heads held high."

From all over the world came calls for Fifa to punish the Europeans or stage a replay, but in the end all the world's governing body did was rule that henceforth the last pair of games in every group must be played simultaneously. "Our performances forced Fifa to make that change, and that was even better than a victory," Belloumi says. "It meant that Algeria left an indelible mark on football history."

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12 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

what's fucked about the 48-team setup is 16 groups of 3 which will play:

matchday 1

a vs. c

matchday 2

b vs. c

matchday 3

a vs. b

the 3rd-seeded team will have no idea what they have to do on matchday 2 to either stay alive or win their group, and the 2nd-seeded team will have less rest before facing the 1st-seeded team.

is there any other way to do this that does not disadvantage a group #1 seed?   i don't see how.

4 groups of 12

Top 2 advance automatically and the top 8 third place teams advance as well.

That would solve the other bullshit.

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I think Seattle has a real legitimate shot.  It is a big soccer town and the city will really support it. 
Vancouver, Chicago, and Minneapolis chose to take its towns out of contention due to FIFA's demands.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fifa-follies-chicago-minneapolis-join-vancouver-in-saying-no-to-hosting-2026-world-cup-games-1.4577941


I’ll be going to Seattle assuming they get a spot. Seattle and Vancouver together would have been badass.
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On 6/13/2018 at 9:42 AM, FondrenRoad said:

They will.  All playing in their home country on Day 1, per the bid.  Rose Bowl, Azteca, whatever Canada's main venue is.  That kind of sucks for the rest of CONCACAF.  We only had 3.5 bids this year.  Costa Rica forced to win the Hex outright and then win a play-in against another confederation to compete?  Or maybe they give CONCACAF an extra bid to make up for Canada taking a spot even though they are usually non-competitive.  Maybe 2 extra spots since we suck too and more deserving teams like Panama, Trinidad, and Grenada should also have a fair shot.

CONCACAF will have 6 slots in 2026.

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One thing I have not seen mentioned yet is that WC '26 will occur during the 250th anniversary of the birth of our nation.  Imagine going to a match on July 4, 2026 in DC.  Holy shit!!!! 
So I believe that the opening match is NOT in the US, so we won't be A1 (team #1 in Group A, to use the FIFA draw terminology).

That means a July 4th tournament opener is out of the question. Plus that's usually late to start the World Cup. BUT, if the tournament started in, say, mid/late June, you could definitely have the USA be scheduled to play a group stage game on July 4th. Maybe their second game where they can't already be mathematically eliminated. Time it for right after the quintessential American event, which happens on July 4th in Coney Island.
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1 hour ago, APMP said:

So I believe that the opening match is NOT in the US, so we won't be A1 (team #1 in Group A, to use the FIFA draw terminology).

That means a July 4th tournament opener is out of the question. Plus that's usually late to start the World Cup. BUT, if the tournament started in, say, mid/late June, you could definitely have the USA be scheduled to play a group stage game on July 4th. Maybe their second game where they can't already be mathematically eliminated. Time it for right after the quintessential American event, which happens on July 4th in Coney Island.

The ‘06 final Fra v Ita was on July 4th if I remember correctly.  Wouldn’t be surprised to see quarter finals match on that day.   Guess we’ll see

 

edit:  it was July 9

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48 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

The ‘06 final Fra v Ita was on July 4th if I remember correctly.  Wouldn’t be surprised to see quarter finals match on that day.   Guess we’ll see

edit:  it was July 9

Argentina's 2nd Independence Day of the year.

The 1st is: 25th of May (1810)... when they Declared Their Independence 

The 2nd is: 9th of July 9 (1816)... when Spain signed a treaty Recognizing Their Independence

 

The USA's Independence Day is kind of random:

1775 - The Revolutionary War BEGINS

1776- After fighting for roughly a year, a Declaration of Independence is drawn up to be signed July 2nd... but then it is delayed to July 4th.

1783- The USA actually WINS their Independence (thanks to the French & a German general)


I would pick either a date in 1775 or the day in 1783 when the British recognized the USA's Independence as Independence Days, but whatever, it would be moronic to stretch the heart of the World Cup across the month of July in North America unless you play most of the matches indoors. Soccer should be played in cool weather, not 102F with 63% humidity.

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39 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

Qatar says hi

Qatar Max, Min, Average Temperature 2017:

NOVEMBER: 
Max: 85F
Min: 76F
Average: 81F

DECEMBER:
Max: 76F
Min: 67F
Average: 72F 

https://www.worldweatheronline.com/lang/en-us/v2/weather-averages.aspx?locid=2014953&root_id=2014750&wc=local_weather&map=~/doha-weather-averages/ad-dawhah/qa.aspx


See, even FIFA gets this. Scheduling the majority of games in July, where many would have to be DAY GAMES, would be insanity.
 

Oh, and FIFA says hi

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Yeah, Texans seem to be only people who enjoy having their outdoor sporting events held on the surface of the sun.  Seems like we lose a handful of kids each year to heatstroke only to have rugged Texas men complain when a football or baseball game has to be played in the 50's.  

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On 6/13/2018 at 12:48 PM, Hagbard Celine said:

vancouver and chicago are just being bitchassed because bc place and soldier field aren't big enough.

minneapolis has their head up their ass with their new palace close to canada they could have easily bagged r32/r16 knockouts that would have been the parachute sites for canada if they finished 2nd in group.

yea this sucks...Would've been cool to go see. 

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6 hours ago, Bone3421 said:

Not sure it will happen but there is talk of moving it out of Qatar....due to the scandal
Believe England is in the running but read it wont be decided until early next year

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1) This has been a topic of discussion for about 3 years now.
2) So you're saying that they might hold the 2018 World Cup in Eastern Europe and then the 2022 World Cup in Western Europe...

...okay.

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1) This has been a topic of discussion for about 3 years now.
2) So you're saying that they might hold the 2018 World Cup in Eastern Europe and then the 2022 World Cup in Western Europe...

...okay.


Major if, but if it gets pulled out of Qatar it’s going to England or Australia. I don’t think FIFA cares about it being in Europe two years in a row. Just until a couple of days ago they were still looking at expanding to 48 in Qatar. They aren’t ready for 32 yet $$$ will still rule all.

Also it ain’t getting pulled out of Qatar till the sponsors start dropping out of it.
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On 6/13/2018 at 10:18 AM, tokamak said:

Am I the only person that still thinks that a 3 host tournament (3 huge countries, in fact) is a monumentally dumb idea? Or are we just kinda putting that behind us now?

Next cycle, Europe should bid. They could have games in like 14 different countries.

 

On 6/13/2018 at 11:13 AM, HenryJames said:

Do you even Euro 2020 bro?

Yeah, the host city/nation list for the 2020 Eurocup is vast-- I think it's cool and have already made plans to be there.  We're going to start in Budapest and work our way west.  

Munich (Germany) – three group matches and a quarter-final
Baku (Azerbaijan) – three group matches and a quarter-final
Rome (Italy) – three group matches and a quarter-final
St Petersburg (Russia) – three group matches and a quarter-final
Copenhagen (Denmark) – three group matches and a round of 16 match
Budapest (Hungary) – three group matches and a round of 16 match
Amsterdam (Netherlands) – three group matches and a round of 16 match
Dublin (Republic of Ireland) – three group matches and a round of 16
match
Bucharest (Romania) – three group matches and a round of 16 match
Glasgow (Scotland) – three group matches and a round of 16 match
Bilbao (Spain) – three group matches and a round of 16 match
London (England) – three group matches and a round of 16 match, semi-finals and final (see below)

 

 

 

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Not that we didn't know it would happen, but France-Denmark and Japan's performance against Poland show how terrible the 16 groups of 3 idea is.

There's almost no way that there won't be multiple groups where the two teams in the final match know that a scoreless draw puts them both through to the knockout stage. They don't even need to collude at that point, because there's simply no reason to risk injury in that scenario.

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On 6/15/2018 at 8:34 AM, utee94 said:

 

Yeah, the host city/nation list for the 2020 Eurocup is vast-- I think it's cool and have already made plans to be there.  We're going to start in Budapest and work our way west.  

Munich (Germany) – three group matches and a quarter-final
Baku (Azerbaijan) – three group matches and a quarter-final
Rome (Italy) – three group matches and a quarter-final
St Petersburg (Russia) – three group matches and a quarter-final
Copenhagen (Denmark) – three group matches and a round of 16 match
Budapest (Hungary) – three group matches and a round of 16 match
Amsterdam (Netherlands) – three group matches and a round of 16 match
Dublin (Republic of Ireland) – three group matches and a round of 16
match
Bucharest (Romania) – three group matches and a round of 16 match
Glasgow (Scotland) – three group matches and a round of 16 match
Bilbao (Spain) – three group matches and a round of 16 match
London (England) – three group matches and a round of 16 match, semi-finals and final (see below)

 

 

 

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Wasn't there a lot of mileage/travel when Brazil hosted?  Seemed as if the US (or maybe it was another country) played, flew 2,000+ miles, played, then flew another 1,500 miles or somesuch.  It'll be 2026.  It's not like these guys have to take the bus from Romancing the Stone between games.  

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