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It was discussed fairly extensively on the Cohen thread.  He's had some pretty big hits on class action stuff, but he seems to have a spending problem as his prior firm is in bankruptcy.  One of the issues in the bankruptcy is payment of employment taxes, which is a sign of someone who is looting their business for their own out-of-control lifestyle or debts.

 

He seems to have a narcissism problem rivaling that of his main target and also seems to be the type of general-purpose blowhard lawyer that I tend not to care for personally or professionally.  But he's not dumb.

 

The funny thing is, there are a few "pornstar lawyers," possibly more accurately called "porn company" lawyers, that are really, really sharp on first amendment and related issues, namely Marc Randazza.  https://randazza.com/

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55 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It was discussed fairly extensively on the Cohen thread.  He's had some pretty big hits on class action stuff, but he seems to have a spending problem as his prior firm is in bankruptcy.  One of the issues in the bankruptcy is payment of employment taxes, which is a sign of someone who is looting their business for their own out-of-control lifestyle or debts.

 

He seems to have a narcissism problem rivaling that of his main target and also seems to be the type of general-purpose blowhard lawyer that I tend not to care for personally or professionally.  But he's not dumb.

 

The funny thing is, there are a few "pornstar lawyers," possibly more accurately called "porn company" lawyers, that are really, really sharp on first amendment and related issues, namely Marc Randazza.  https://randazza.com/

When I hear "porn lawyer" I always think of Roger Diamond.   He's been involved with a ton of porn/strip club cases.  (I'm not a lawyer and I have no opinion of his competence).

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Michael Avenatti sure does know how to pick his battles wisely against Trump.

You know he’s going to slow roll the stories and images with the atrocities of these kid detention centers.

He will make sure it doesn’t go away.

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15 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

When I hear "porn lawyer" I always think of Roger Diamond.   He's been involved with a ton of porn/strip club cases.  (I'm not a lawyer and I have no opinion of his competence).

Being in Socal, you have probably heard of more than I  have.  I don't remember what brought Randazza to my attention, but he keeps cropping up in rather novel First Amendment and intellectual property cases and he seems to be very good with it.  He seems to strike a nice balance between self-aggrandizement and quiet competence that I admire.

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Avenatti is kind of the poster boy for those that have temporarily (hopefully) lost their minds because of trump.  He is everything that most people on here claim they hate:

1) He lies constantly

2) He is financially corrupt including 1) bankrupting the coffee chain he owned and then lied that he owned, 2) failed to pay millions in taxes on the the chain, 3) hired lawyers to help resolve the issue and then stiffed them on their bills and they sued him, 4) failed to honor an agreement with a former law partner that sued him and that he settled with and then failed to honor the settlement 5) failed to pay his personal income taxes, 6) withheld payroll taxes from employees but never sent them to the IRS resulting in a $900K  lien against his personal property, 7) recently filed for bankruptcy for his current law firm, 8) lied to the court, and admitted it, to try and get additional money from a judgement he won for his clients even though he had already been paid his entire fee

3) Recently tried to get wealthy dems to fund his attack on trump but was turned down

4) Is twice divorced and both wives claimed abuse in court proceedings but later denied them after the settlements

5) Bought a house and reneged on the terms and had to be forcibly evicted by the owner and is being sued

All that from just a few minutes of searching.  He is a total slime ball.  He lies about everything he is involved with and owes millions to creditors and the IRS and his ex partners and wives.

Again, he represents everything people on here say they hate.  But he went after trump so he is a star apparently.  

He claims to be handling the recent immigration cases pro bono but I bet he makes some sort of claim for payment.  Might even be a go fund me or similar type situation.

 

 

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3 hours ago, sheeeit said:

Avenatti is kind of the poster boy for those that have temporarily (hopefully) lost their minds because of trump.  He is everything that most people on here claim they hate:

1) He lies constantly

2) He is financially corrupt including 1) bankrupting the coffee chain he owned and then lied that he owned, 2) failed to pay millions in taxes on the the chain, 3) hired lawyers to help resolve the issue and then stiffed them on their bills and they sued him, 4) failed to honor an agreement with a former law partner that sued him and that he settled with and then failed to honor the settlement 5) failed to pay his personal income taxes, 6) withheld payroll taxes from employees but never sent them to the IRS resulting in a $900K  lien against his personal property, 7) recently filed for bankruptcy for his current law firm, 😎 lied to the court, and admitted it, to try and get additional money from a judgement he won for his clients even though he had already been paid his entire fee

3) Recently tried to get wealthy dems to fund his attack on trump but was turned down

4) Is twice divorced and both wives claimed abuse in court proceedings but later denied them after the settlements

5) Bought a house and reneged on the terms and had to be forcibly evicted by the owner and is being sued

All that from just a few minutes of searching.  He is a total slime ball.  He lies about everything he is involved with and owes millions to creditors and the IRS and his ex partners and wives.

Again, he represents everything people on here say they hate.  But he went after trump so he is a star apparently.  

He claims to be handling the recent immigration cases pro bono but I bet he makes some sort of claim for payment.  Might even be a go fund me or similar type situation.

 

 

Fake News.         

 

That was easy.

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3 hours ago, sheeeit said:

Avenatti is kind of the poster boy for those that have temporarily (hopefully) lost their minds because of trump.  He is everything that most people on here claim they hate:

1) He lies constantly

2) He is financially corrupt including 1) bankrupting the coffee chain he owned and then lied that he owned, 2) failed to pay millions in taxes on the the chain, 3) hired lawyers to help resolve the issue and then stiffed them on their bills and they sued him, 4) failed to honor an agreement with a former law partner that sued him and that he settled with and then failed to honor the settlement 5) failed to pay his personal income taxes, 6) withheld payroll taxes from employees but never sent them to the IRS resulting in a $900K  lien against his personal property, 7) recently filed for bankruptcy for his current law firm, 😎 lied to the court, and admitted it, to try and get additional money from a judgement he won for his clients even though he had already been paid his entire fee

3) Recently tried to get wealthy dems to fund his attack on trump but was turned down

4) Is twice divorced and both wives claimed abuse in court proceedings but later denied them after the settlements

5) Bought a house and reneged on the terms and had to be forcibly evicted by the owner and is being sued

All that from just a few minutes of searching.  He is a total slime ball.  He lies about everything he is involved with and owes millions to creditors and the IRS and his ex partners and wives.

Again, he represents everything people on here say they hate.  But he went after trump so he is a star apparently.  

He claims to be handling the recent immigration cases pro bono but I bet he makes some sort of claim for payment.  Might even be a go fund me or similar type situation.

 

 

lulz, pretty much every bullet point applies to our president.

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3 hours ago, sheeeit said:

Avenatti is kind of the poster boy for those that have temporarily (hopefully) lost their minds because of trump.  He is everything that most people on here claim they hate:

1) He lies constantly

2) He is financially corrupt including 1) bankrupting the coffee chain he owned and then lied that he owned, 2) failed to pay millions in taxes on the the chain, 3) hired lawyers to help resolve the issue and then stiffed them on their bills and they sued him, 4) failed to honor an agreement with a former law partner that sued him and that he settled with and then failed to honor the settlement 5) failed to pay his personal income taxes, 6) withheld payroll taxes from employees but never sent them to the IRS resulting in a $900K  lien against his personal property, 7) recently filed for bankruptcy for his current law firm, 😎 lied to the court, and admitted it, to try and get additional money from a judgement he won for his clients even though he had already been paid his entire fee

3) Recently tried to get wealthy dems to fund his attack on trump but was turned down

4) Is twice divorced and both wives claimed abuse in court proceedings but later denied them after the settlements

5) Bought a house and reneged on the terms and had to be forcibly evicted by the owner and is being sued

All that from just a few minutes of searching.  He is a total slime ball.  He lies about everything he is involved with and owes millions to creditors and the IRS and his ex partners and wives.

Again, he represents everything people on here say they hate.  But he went after trump so he is a star apparently.  

He claims to be handling the recent immigration cases pro bono but I bet he makes some sort of claim for payment.  Might even be a go fund me or similar type situation.

 

 

When I run across people like Avenatti, I appreciate the facts they bring to the table.  However, I do not defend their bullshit.  I wouldn't support or vote for them for any office.  I also stay away from them financially.  What happens when you run across people like this, @sheeeit?  Do you make sure to go on message boards and say bad things about them?  Because that's an awful lot what it looks like when you come on here trying to discredit every single person who has ever had a bad thing to say about Trump.  And let's not forget, those bullet points of yours do a pretty fantastic job of describing Trump as well.  Since that's the case, what is it about your first bullet that applies to Avenatti but that makes it ok for you to overlook it when you are on here defending Trump?  Why do you call out bankruptcies as a disqualifying factor for being a commentator on current events, but are ok with bankruptcies for the guy who *is* the current event? I'm just asking questions, here, I hope you'll take the time to answer them @sheeeit

So you know, you've laid out an effective case against Avenatti.  I will continue not to believe anything he says without evidence.  I will not vote for him for public office.  I will not provide any kind of financial support for him. I will agree he's a scumbag, and I'll laugh at him when he ultimately does something stupid and makes the walls around him collapse.  Are you prepared to do the same thing, @sheeeit, and jump off the bandwagon of the other guy who fits your description, whose cock stays in your mouth pretty much round the clock?  I'm just asking questions.

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5 hours ago, sheeeit said:

Avenatti is kind of the poster boy for those that have temporarily (hopefully) lost their minds because of trump.  He is everything that most people on here claim they hate:

1) He lies constantly

2) He is financially corrupt including 1) bankrupting the coffee chain he owned and then lied that he owned, 2) failed to pay millions in taxes on the the chain, 3) hired lawyers to help resolve the issue and then stiffed them on their bills and they sued him, 4) failed to honor an agreement with a former law partner that sued him and that he settled with and then failed to honor the settlement 5) failed to pay his personal income taxes, 6) withheld payroll taxes from employees but never sent them to the IRS resulting in a $900K  lien against his personal property, 7) recently filed for bankruptcy for his current law firm, 8) lied to the court, and admitted it, to try and get additional money from a judgement he won for his clients even though he had already been paid his entire fee

3) Recently tried to get wealthy dems to fund his attack on trump but was turned down

4) Is twice divorced and both wives claimed abuse in court proceedings but later denied them after the settlements

5) Bought a house and reneged on the terms and had to be forcibly evicted by the owner and is being sued

All that from just a few minutes of searching.  He is a total slime ball.  He lies about everything he is involved with and owes millions to creditors and the IRS and his ex partners and wives.

Again, he represents everything people on here say they hate.  But he went after trump so he is a star apparently.  

He claims to be handling the recent immigration cases pro bono but I bet he makes some sort of claim for payment.  Might even be a go fund me or similar type situation.

 

 

I didn't see where people on this thread are advocating for Avenatti to be president of the united fucking states.

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5 hours ago, sheeeit said:

Avenatti is kind of the poster boy for those that have temporarily (hopefully) lost their minds because of trump.  He is everything that most people on here claim they hate:

1) He lies constantly

2) He is financially corrupt including 1) bankrupting the coffee chain he owned and then lied that he owned, 2) failed to pay millions in taxes on the the chain, 3) hired lawyers to help resolve the issue and then stiffed them on their bills and they sued him, 4) failed to honor an agreement with a former law partner that sued him and that he settled with and then failed to honor the settlement 5) failed to pay his personal income taxes, 6) withheld payroll taxes from employees but never sent them to the IRS resulting in a $900K  lien against his personal property, 7) recently filed for bankruptcy for his current law firm, 😎 lied to the court, and admitted it, to try and get additional money from a judgement he won for his clients even though he had already been paid his entire fee

3) Recently tried to get wealthy dems to fund his attack on trump but was turned down

4) Is twice divorced and both wives claimed abuse in court proceedings but later denied them after the settlements

5) Bought a house and reneged on the terms and had to be forcibly evicted by the owner and is being sued

All that from just a few minutes of searching.  He is a total slime ball.  He lies about everything he is involved with and owes millions to creditors and the IRS and his ex partners and wives.

Again, he represents everything people on here say they hate.  But he went after trump so he is a star apparently.  

He claims to be handling the recent immigration cases pro bono but I bet he makes some sort of claim for payment.  Might even be a go fund me or similar type situation.

 

 

So he is just like Trump but the difference here is one is a Porn lawyer and the other is POTUS.

 

 

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1 hour ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

When I run across people like Avenatti, I appreciate the facts they bring to the table.  However, I do not defend their bullshit.  I wouldn't support or vote for them for any office.  I also stay away from them financially.  What happens when you run across people like this, @sheeeit?  Do you make sure to go on message boards and say bad things about them?  Because that's an awful lot what it looks like when you come on here trying to discredit every single person who has ever had a bad thing to say about Trump.  And let's not forget, those bullet points of yours do a pretty fantastic job of describing Trump as well.  Since that's the case, what is it about your first bullet that applies to Avenatti but that makes it ok for you to overlook it when you are on here defending Trump?  Why do you call out bankruptcies as a disqualifying factor for being a commentator on current events, but are ok with bankruptcies for the guy who *is* the current event? I'm just asking questions, here, I hope you'll take the time to answer them @sheeeit

So you know, you've laid out an effective case against Avenatti.  I will continue not to believe anything he says without evidence.  I will not vote for him for public office.  I will not provide any kind of financial support for him. I will agree he's a scumbag, and I'll laugh at him when he ultimately does something stupid and makes the walls around him collapse.  Are you prepared to do the same thing, @sheeeit, and jump off the bandwagon of the other guy who fits your description, whose cock stays in your mouth pretty much round the clock?  I'm just asking questions.

Clearly you guys missed the point completely.  I can only say that I think Trump is an awful person so many times.  I think he is awful, narcissistic, has no morals, cheated on his wives, etc.  I think he is a bad human being.  I have said, hundreds of times, that if Mueller finds any collusion, or obstruction or financial fraud that I would support impeachment proceedings immediately.  I have said that if Trump fires mueller i would support immediate impeachment proceedings.  I have said this stuff numerous times.  The only thing I have ever done that is interpreted as supporting trump is that I do not think he colluded with the russians.  Thats it.  

My post above is merely pointing out exactly what you guys are saying.  So many of the very things that cause you to hate trump are identical to Avenatti.  Yet Avenatti gets white knighted and trump is the worst person in the history of the world.  One guy above stated "i Like him".  Why?  There is absolutely nothing likable about him at all.  The hypocrisy is glorious.  He has been on CNN hundreds of times.  Been on many of the late night talk shows.  Why?  He shits on trump so everyone gives him a platform even though he is a total piece of shit individual.  It has been somewhat shocking to me that this guy has become such a media darling when he, if we truly believe them, represents everything the media says they deplore.  

I will bet I can find at least 15 people on this site who have posted praise for Avenatti.  Praise.  Again, for what?  For defrauding his former partners?  For, allegedly, abusing his ex wives?  For not paying his taxes?  For withholding money from employees and not sending it to the IRS?  For admittedly lying to the court to try and squeeze money out of his clients after he had already been paid in full?  You don't think it is a little funny?

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Here's the thing @sheeeit, I don't believe you.  You can keep saying it til your blue in the face, but at some point, you have to quit supporting Trump if you want anyone more worldly than a typical 3rd grader to believe that first paragraph. As to the other paragraphs, I didn't read them.  I'm going back to my policy of not reading troll posts or replying to troll posters now.  I'll try you again in a couple months to see if anything has changed.  Til then, be best!

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42 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

Clearly you guys missed the point completely.  I can only say that I think Trump is an awful person so many times.  I think he is awful, narcissistic, has no morals, cheated on his wives, etc.  I think he is a bad human being.  I have said, hundreds of times, that if Mueller finds any collusion, or obstruction or financial fraud that I would support impeachment proceedings immediately.  I have said that if Trump fires mueller i would support immediate impeachment proceedings.  I have said this stuff numerous times.  The only thing I have ever done that is interpreted as supporting trump is that I do not think he colluded with the russians.  Thats it.  

And you've provided no cogent argument to support that assertion, whereas there is substantial evidence (circumstantial or not) that indicates it possibly happened.  If you don't agree, you're a Trumpkin.  Plain and simple.  You can't look at the evidence offered, with no final judgement on that evidence and say "see!  no collusion!" and be considered anything but a shill.  There is a key difference between you and those you are arguing with -- the latter are saying "man, this smells bad.  Let's see what Mueller turns up."  You, on the other hand, are furious that nobody gives a fuck about your premature conclusion.

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I'm too lazy to find it, but there was a discussion (probably in the Cohen thread) for a couple of pages about Avenatti, and his background. I feel the same way now as I did then. Trump and Avenatti are both sleazy dudes with an awful lot of similarities. 

Avenatti is probably a lot smarter and represents porn stars. Trump is an abject moron who also happens to be president of the US. I wouldn't loan either one $100.

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@MichaelAvenatti: There are few things more gratifying in my role as an advocate than when a whistleblower trusts me with explosive information (docs, images, etc.) and looks to me to ensure it is released for maximum impact for the public good. Today is another such day. #BuckleUp #Basta

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On 6/22/2018 at 4:45 PM, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Here's the thing @sheeeit, I don't believe you.  You can keep saying it til your blue in the face, but at some point, you have to quit supporting Trump if you want anyone more worldly than a typical 3rd grader to believe that first paragraph. As to the other paragraphs, I didn't read them.  I'm going back to my policy of not reading troll posts or replying to troll posters now.  I'll try you again in a couple months to see if anything has changed.  Til then, be best!

Just for fun, how about you post something from me that supports some action of trump.  FYI, me arguing that trump did not collude with russia is not support of trump as potus.  It is my opinion that there was not collusion.  You be best too!

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On 6/22/2018 at 4:56 PM, jimmyjazz said:

And you've provided no cogent argument to support that assertion, whereas there is substantial evidence (circumstantial or not) that indicates it possibly happened.  If you don't agree, you're a Trumpkin.  Plain and simple.  You can't look at the evidence offered, with no final judgement on that evidence and say "see!  no collusion!" and be considered anything but a shill.  There is a key difference between you and those you are arguing with -- the latter are saying "man, this smells bad.  Let's see what Mueller turns up."  You, on the other hand, are furious that nobody gives a fuck about your premature conclusion.

LULZ.  What gibberish.  I have no idea if trump colluded or not.  From what I have scene, my opinion is that he did not.  Virtually every act of collusion talked about in the media does not stand up to close inspection.  It is all based on anonymous sources and innuendo.  

Just be honest.  What you guys dont like is when you go off on a new tangent (and there have been tons of them and they continue to come) about collusion and how this is the one that will bring trump down and then someone like me actually takes a little closer look at the allegations and applies a little logic and common sense and determines that the allegations are flimsy you guys freak out.

 I just give my opinion.  My opinion could very well be wrong.  I doubt it, but it could.

Example, just recently one of the usual suspects said that there has been foreign intel for years now that shows collusion.  When I read this i think it "smells bad".  Then I apply just a tiny bit of logic and critical thinking.  I note that the DNI (coats) has every single piece of intelligence that exists in the US at his disposal.   I note that he has testified to the house and senate investigations into russsia/collusion.  I note that these intel committees have interviewed dozens of intelligence officials including virtually all of the higher ranking ones.  I note that, by law, these intelligence folks must reveal what intelligence they have.  I then read quotes by 7 or 8 different members of the intel committees who have seen all of this information and none of them say hey have seen any collusion yet.  So based on that, my opinion is that there is not any foreign intel that shows collusion.  The evidence that the intel exists is based on anonymous sources through media, twitter and blogs.  I feel pretty confident betting on the testimony of the Director of National Intelligence over anonymous sources and twitterers.  

So, as I always do, I outline my position and offer my reasons for why I believe it.  And the best rebuttal to my opinion is not a well thought out counter argument or even an attempt at a counter argument.  It is met with "Go fuck your face with smokey's dick you dissembling, disingenuous bag of cat shit.".  That is reality in this place today.

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Also, “I have an opinion about collusion, even though myself and the rest of the world has not seen the evidence relevant to the issue.”

 

Wow. Did you just claim that my opinion on collusion is invalid because we have not seen all of the evidence relevant to the issue, on a board where literally 1000s of opinions have been given on collusion by other people that also have not seen all of the evidence.  I must have missed the posts where you pointed that out to them.

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40 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

No sir, I’m pretty sure he posted that your point that there is no collusion, is absolute shit, because despite your word salad outcry, the investigation is not done.   I know you wish it was.   

 You seem to have plenty of time on your hands. Maybe you can find the post where I said I know for a fact that there was no collusion. Of course, I have never said that. All I have done is offer my opinion.  

 But, apparently, my opinion is full of shit because we don’t know all of the evidence yet but all of the other opinions are  perfectly valid because… 

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Clearly you guys missed the point completely.  I can only say that I think Trump is an awful person so many times.  I think he is awful, narcissistic, has no morals, cheated on his wives, etc.  I think he is a bad human being.  I have said, hundreds of times, that if Mueller finds any collusion, or obstruction or financial fraud that I would support impeachment proceedings immediately.  I have said that if Trump fires mueller i would support immediate impeachment proceedings.  I have said this stuff numerous times.  The only thing I have ever done that is interpreted as supporting trump is that I do not think he colluded with the russians.  Thats it.  
My post above is merely pointing out exactly what you guys are saying.  So many of the very things that cause you to hate trump are identical to Avenatti.  Yet Avenatti gets white knighted and trump is the worst person in the history of the world.  One guy above stated "i Like him".  Why?  There is absolutely nothing likable about him at all.  The hypocrisy is glorious.  He has been on CNN hundreds of times.  Been on many of the late night talk shows.  Why?  He shits on trump so everyone gives him a platform even though he is a total piece of shit individual.  It has been somewhat shocking to me that this guy has become such a media darling when he, if we truly believe them, represents everything the media says they deplore.  
I will bet I can find at least 15 people on this site who have posted praise for Avenatti.  Praise.  Again, for what?  For defrauding his former partners?  For, allegedly, abusing his ex wives?  For not paying his taxes?  For withholding money from employees and not sending it to the IRS?  For admittedly lying to the court to try and squeeze money out of his clients after he had already been paid in full?  You don't think it is a little funny?

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