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Just now, Dbeasy said:

 


Or, maybe they still believe in the fundamental American principle of fairness, where the objective is to balance individual responsibility for decisions and actions with the responsibility of government to ensure a fair opportunity. This is probably the single
most important principle in this country and some of you forget that.

And maybe they don’t believe in promising massive free money just to buy votes and/or encourage moral hazard behavior.

 

Cool, now let's look at real wage increases that have barely kept up with inflation vs. CEO pay, the cost of healthcare rising (BEFORE the ACA was implemented), the cost of tuition, the complete dismantling of unions under Reagan and others, the federal minimum wage being worth damn near nothing, etc etc. Almost like the country isn't the same as it once was.

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American “principles” are hollow catchphrases. Their primary use is to sustain the delusion of virtue and moral superiority among the financially successful. It’s a less insane expression of the prosperity gospel message.

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38 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 


Or, maybe they still believe in the fundamental American principle of fairness, where the objective is to balance individual responsibility for decisions and actions with the responsibility of government to ensure a fair opportunity. 

 

Personal responsibility is so mainstream bro. 

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44 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Or, maybe they still believe in the fundamental American principle of fairness, where the objective is to balance individual responsibility for decisions and actions with the responsibility of government to ensure a fair opportunity. This is probably the single
most important principle in this country and some of you forget that.


And maybe they don’t believe in promising massive free money just to buy votes and/or encourage moral hazard behavior.

 

Government handouts to corporations and the rich notwithstanding.

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55 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 


Or, maybe they still believe in the fundamental American principle of fairness, where the objective is to balance individual responsibility for decisions and actions with the responsibility of government to ensure a fair opportunity. This is probably the single
most important principle in this country and some of you forget that.

And maybe they don’t believe in promising massive free money just to buy votes and/or encourage moral hazard behavior.

 

You’re referring to private prisons right? Or maybe weapons systems? I too oppose giving massive free money to buy votes and/or encourage moral hazard behavior. 

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3 hours ago, Skipper said:

Of course that's their strategy.  Bernie is a layup for Trump.

Wishful thinking. What is he going to hit Bernie with? The Soviet trip? Please do. Reagan was in the Soviet Union at the very same time saying the same things as we coaxed the Soviets to trust the United States. Establishing sister cities was part of the American strategy to convince the Soviet Union to suicide itself quietly. It worked. Even some Trumpers are smart enough to see the logic and value in the strategy. And are Trumpers really going to attack Reagan? Delusional.

Here is Reagan inviting literal Commie Propagandists into the White House in 1988 (the year he and Sanders visited the Soviet Union to build trust between the people of the Soviet Union and Americans. 

Trump's national nightmare is coming to an end.

 

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2 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

John Oliver's take on Medicare for All - 

 

What's awesome about this is that when he's playing clips from FOX and CNBC and that kind of right-wing garbage their rhetoric is 100% INDISTINGUISHABLE from Pete Buttigieg.

Go to 13:00 into the video and listen.

~*~ bUt My ChOiCeS ~*~

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4 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Wishful thinking. What is he going to hit Bernie with?

All he's going to do is yell SOCIALIST!! over and over and it may very well work.  These people aren't smart.  And Bernie is the only one to have actually self-identified as partially socialist.  This is our concern Dude.

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3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

All he's going to do is yell SOCIALIST!! over and over and it may very well work.

This is the plan.  A few years ago the R's rebranded the Democratic Party as the Democrat Party.  They mostly got away with that, as it's now OK for R's to use that term.   The new plan is for the R's to rebrand them as the Socialist Democrat Party and say that over and over until it's OK to just say that all the time.

The D's are going to have to defend NOT being the Socialist Democrat Party even though they never called themselves that.  Some folks will vote R just based on hearing the Socialist Democrat moniker over and over.  It will sink in.

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3 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

 


Or, maybe they still believe in the fundamental American principle of fairness, where the objective is to balance individual responsibility for decisions and actions with the responsibility of government to ensure a fair opportunity. This is probably the single
most important principle in this country and some of you forget that.

And maybe they don’t believe in promising massive free money just to buy votes and/or encourage moral hazard behavior.

 

That's why old people are pushing to end social security. 

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8 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

All he's going to do is yell SOCIALIST!! over and over and it may very well work.  These people aren't smart.  And Bernie is the only one to have actually self-identified as partially socialist.  This is our concern Dude.

Wall Street received the largest socialist bailout in our nation's history. We socialize the negative externalities of most industries, including oil and gas. Socialism in the US is an essential part of our mixed market economy and has been since the foundation of this nation. Socialism is not communism. 

Sanders wants our representative democracy to provide a fairer distribution of social goods and opportunities among all people in the United States, not just the wealthy and corporations - akin to what we see in wealthy European nations. His foundation is always democracy.

How difficult is it to run on principles of democracy? Seriously.

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4 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Wall Street received the largest socialist bailout in our nation's history. We socialize the negative externalities of most industries, including oil and gas. Socialism in the US is an essential part of our mixed market economy and has been since the foundation of this nation. Socialism is not communism. 

Everything you just said here comes out as the Charlie Brown teacher voice to more than half of this country.

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11 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The Bern people will demand he get the nomination with only 25% of the total vote.

I will demand that whoever got the most delegates out of the field become the nominee and I will vote for no one else.

I like democracy. I think the expressed will of the people is supreme.

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I really hope Bernie wins the nomination. If that happens, I'm going to be so excited once we inject you guys with the virus and you guys become Bernie Bros because it's fucking awesome to look at the world and have a seed of hope blossoming in your soul that we can work together to build a beautiful future.

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8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I really hope Bernie wins the nomination. If that happens, I'm going to be so excited once we inject you guys with the virus and you guys become Bernie Bros because it's fucking awesome to look at the world and have a seed of hope blossoming in your soul that we can work together to build a beautiful future.

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6 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Klobs, Pete, and Warren will be done.

I'm sure this has been discussed but I missed it.  What happens to the delegates pledged to nominees that drop out?  Does the nominee get to 'pledge' those delegates to a still viable candidate?  Or does it all happen at the Convention?  

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9 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

I'm sure this has been discussed but I missed it.  What happens to the delegates pledged to nominees that drop out?  Does the nominee get to 'pledge' those delegates to a still viable candidate?  Or does it all happen at the Convention?  

Pledged delegates must vote for the candidate they were chosen to represent in the first round at the convention - regardless of whether the candidate has backed out. 

EDIT - I AM WRONG. 11 states allow a withdrawn candidate to release his or her delegates.  See - https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_delegate_rules,_2020

 

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45 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I really hope Bernie wins the nomination. If that happens, I'm going to be so excited once we inject you guys with the virus and you guys become Bernie Bros because it's fucking awesome to look at the world and have a seed of hope blossoming in your soul that we can work together to build a beautiful future.

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12 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

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Sanders' sisters are more powerful than any brother, in my experience. Some of them welcome the "bro" moniker as an easy way to tell someone they are mistaken about the makeup of Sanders' supporters. They are fierce, smart and more effective as a whole - and not afraid to take on all comers. See below:

Beth reminds me of my 14 year old daughter and her fierce admiration for the movement. It didn't come from me. She and her friends are all proud Bernie supporters. 

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Cool, now let's look at real wage increases that have barely kept up with inflation vs. CEO pay, the cost of healthcare rising (BEFORE the ACA was implemented), the cost of tuition, the complete dismantling of unions under Reagan and others, the federal minimum wage being worth damn near nothing, etc etc. Almost like the country isn't the same as it once was.


All of this can be and is true but doesn’t justify a bad policy.
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