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7 minutes ago, Let 'Em Hang said:

Yep......if you have to tell everyone you're a badass......you're probably not one.

But .. but .. aren’t “We Be Texas?”

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6 minutes ago, Girdwood said:

The whole Texas is back/not back thing needs to fucking die. 

Do we say it when we step on to the field at the Texas Bowl this year - our home for 3 of the last 4 bowls?  Because that makes sense.

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25 minutes ago, Let 'Em Hang said:

Yep......if you have to tell everyone you're a badass......you're probably not one.

That smug mother fucker Joe Tessitore uttered those words when Swoopes plunged into the endzone beating a 4-8 Notre Dame team 50-47 in 2OT.  Yeah people used it to make fun of us when we went 5-7 and 7-6 the next two years, but we didn't 'own it' per se.  Sam saying at the Sugar Bowl 4 years after the fact makes us fucking own it and unfortunately will be Sam's legacy if he wins nothing else. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, UTEX_ME said:

That smug mother fucker Joe Tessitore uttered those words when Swoopes plunged into the endzone beating a 4-8 Notre Dame team 50-47 in 2OT.  Yeah people used it to make fun of us when we went 5-7 and 7-6 the next two years, but we didn't 'own it' per se.  Sam saying at the Sugar Bowl 4 years after the fact makes us fucking own it and unfortunately will be Sam's legacy if he wins nothing else. 

 

 

Yeah, no indictment of Sam though, he said it in a spur-of-the-moment situation, and it happens.  Plus he's a young man and well, they are gonna say some things they may later regret.  My problem with it is all the "grown-ups" that also said it, based on pretty much the Sugar Bowl game.  

When we start CONSISTENTLY winning conference titles, start CONSISTENTLY get in the running for the playoffs, and CONSISTENTLY win the games we should, then I might think we're "Back"......been a Longhorn fan since I was 8 (in 1968) and I've seen too much BS to believe hype and big talk.  Prove it on the field.  With TH, without him, I don't give a damn.  Just man up as a Team (coaches and players) and get it done.

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Though it is Wednesday and we need to move forward,  Brian Davis  has a good article with fan emails. (excerpts)

 

Tom Herman is going to be the Texas coach in 2020.

No, the school is not hiring Urban Meyer. Full stop.

 

As for Herman himself, the university just handed out a two-year contract extension for the Sugar Bowl win — bidding against itself, I might add — and will not eat a buyout worth more than $20 million at the moment.

What was the harm in waiting until after the coach’s third year of a five-year deal to give him a raise or extension? Oh well. What’s done is done. Herman is now signed through 2023.

 

Q. Don’t you get tired of Tom Herman always saying “really, really”. Really really seems to be his favorite phrase in describing almost anything including but not limited to his opponent and his own team.

This fan is really, really tired of seeing Tom Herman’s team being out coached week after week.  I’m really, really tired of babbling nonsense of why he and his coaching staff can’t coach up good talent. It’s getting really, really old hearing that “Everything Matters” except on Saturday. 

Don’t you know that the fans and administration in Baton Rouge are really, really happy that Texas won the Tom Herman sweepstakes. — Bill

These are really, really interesting thoughts. Every coach leans on verbal crutches at times, and as a beat reporter, you eventually tune it out. With Mack Brown, every opponent always “scares you to death.” With Charlie Strong, the Horns “just need to execute better.” My only real issue with Herman’s press conference verbiage is this idea he “doesn’t know who we play next.”

Really? The Texas football CEO should at least acknowledge who’s on the schedule. But this is the same coach who refused to call a Ray Guy Award winner by his name — punter Michael Dickson. It was just “the punter,” same as Cameron Dicker is just “our kicker.” To each their own, I suppose.

 

Q. Saturday’s conservative end game play calling by the offense and the inexcusable defensive encroachment on the field goal brings to mind a statement by former football coach Lou Holtz. “Dumb loses more games than smart wins.” This quote should be posted in the locker room for coaches and players alike to see. — John Nugent, Georgetown

 

Q. You can’t blame Tom Herman for the defense jumping offsides. They should be well aware in not doing that. — J.D.

No, you can’t blame Herman directly for the mistakes of an 18-to-22-year old athlete. But you can blame him and his coaching staff for not having the Horns prepared for a hard snap count.

“I noticed throughout the game that they were timing our cadence,” Iowa State snapper Steve Wirtel said after the game, according to Randy Peterson of the Des Moines Register. “We gave our cadence, and in my peripheral vision at the time, I saw No. (46) jump. I snapped it at the time. He jumped offside, and I saw our guys engage with him. They were keying on our cadence throughout the game.

“When I saw that color (of uniform) break the plane, I snapped it,” Wirtel added. “I heard the ref say offside, (46) on white. The rest was history.”

Pretty good coaching, I’d say.

 

 

Q. Maybe the recruiting rankings are bull. Maybe some 16- and 17-year olds have greater potential. Maybe some have more heart. Maybe some can’t be bought with million dollar locker rooms, or maybe the ones who can aren’t the type of kid you want. I love Iowa State for who we are and what we represent. Let the recruiting magazines fleece their readers and subscribers with presumptions and forecasts. I’m fine with that. I’ll take our humble, focused,  dedicated kids and coaches over spoiled, indulged and entitled players any day. Hope some day we aren’t looked down on. Have a great day. — Dan

This was my direct response to Dan’s email: “Fantastic email and thought. Hang on to Matt Campbell as long as you can.”

 

https://www.hookem.com/story/whys-texas-tom-herman-isnt-going-anywhere-big-decisions-loom-2020/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Fact or Fiction: Tom Herman has Texas moving backward

Farrell’s take: FICTION. While Texas fans are not happy with the 6-4 record, this is still a program that is moving forward under its head coach. However, he will have to make some staff changes to push ahead further.

Texas will likely finish 7-5 if we assume a loss at Baylor and a home win against Texas Tech. For a team that was supposed to challenge for the Big 12 title this season, that's not good.

But I like what I see in recruiting compared to the Charlie Strong era and this roster has more talent that just isn't being coached up. Yes, that's ultimately on the head coach and if it doesn't turn around next season he could be gone, but I'm comparing this version of Texas to Strong's and not Mack Brown's. Some staff changes will help. Herman is still the right hire and I'm not pushing the panic button.

Gorney’s take: FACT. When Texas beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl to end last season, the hype was that the Longhorns would beat Oklahoma the following year and could possibly be the Big 12 representative in the College Football Playoff. Every Texas fan was giddy.

And now the Longhorns are sitting at a miserable 6-4 after losing at Iowa State, which should never happen, losing at TCU by 10 two weeks before that, which should never happen, almost losing to Kansas, which should never, ever, ever happen and, oh yeah, Oklahoma beat them, too. So did LSU but at least at that point in the season Texas looked like a real national threat.

The best thing that could have ever happened to Herman are the Strong years because fans remember just how bad and ugly it could get. Herman could very well be the answer to make Texas a national player again but the Longhorns are not going in the right direction.

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Forde-Yard Dash: Herman Still Has a Long Way to Go Before Texas Is Back

It’s been all about Baylor in the Lone Star State this season, as the Longhorns find themselves in the midst of another middling season.

PAT FORDE.   NOV 19, 2019

WE HAVE THIS UPDATE: TEXAS IS NOT BACK

Beware the fan base that reads too much into a non-playoff bowl victory. When Texas (31) handled a sulking Georgia team last year in the Sugar Bowl, a fan base exhausted by a decade-long malaise went ahead and proclaimed it: the Longhorns would be back as a national power in 2019. The Top 25 voters, addicted to brand names, bought in, ranked them in the top 10 entering the season despite significant losses on defense.

Everyone was, once again, wrong. Texas is not back, not close to back, and there is no reason to believe it will be back until proving it in games that actually matter.

After losing to Iowa State Saturday, the Longhorns are a pedestrian 6–4 and a pedestrian 4–3 in the Big 12. They are 23–14 overall under Tom Herman (32), and 16–10 in the league. While that is certainly an improvement over the Charlie Strong body of work (16–21, 12–15 Big 12), it is nearly identical to the last three seasons under Mack Brown (33), which were considered major disappointments. Brown was 25–14 overall, 16–11 in the league.

It also puts Herman pretty much in line with the other Big 12 coaches not named Lincoln Riley who have been in the conference since 2017. Oklahoma State’s Mike Gundy is 24–12, 13–12; TCU’s Gary Patterson is 23–14, 14–12; Iowa State’s Matt Campbell is 22–14, 15–10; and Baylor’s Matt Rhule is 17–18, 11–14.

With nearly a three-year body of work, there is no discernible difference between the Longhorns under Herman and the rest of the upper-middle class of the Big 12. Everyone is chasing Oklahoma in a muddled pack.

Thing is, there is supposed to be a difference between Texas and the rest of the upper-middle class. The recruiting rankings suggest that there should be. The tradition screams that there should be. The results aren’t there.

Even the game-by-game results reinforce the fact that Texas is not operating on a different level. Under Herman, 15 out of 26 conference games have been decided by one score or less. Average score of the Horns’ Big 12 games this season: Texas 32.9, opponents 32.4. Three of the past four have been decided by a field goal on the final play.

Currently, Baylor is the Lone Star State team putting together a special season. Texas has a chance to do damage to that Saturday in Waco, and to keep its own conference title hopes alive. But anything short of a surprise Big 12 title game appearance and upset of Oklahoma will be viewed as coming up short in 2019.

None of this means Texas will never be back under Herman. It does mean that the Longhorns have a long way yet to go. And it means that they should have to prove they’re back before saying they’re back.

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On 11/18/2019 at 11:13 AM, Asithappens said:

All this fire Herman is just horseshit, imo. Yeah, the horns haven't looked great the past few games. It takes work. Maybe Tom ultimately isn't the guy, maybe he is.

Way behind and catching up.  I don't want to be "negative" and post a poll that proves the postulate that 99% of this board now agrees that Tom Is Not The Guy.  So i'm going to keep the list manually.

People on this board, who are not yet convinced that Tom Is Not The Guy, that I have seen post to that effect:

Asithappens, Dad, SkipperJ

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11 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

Way behind and catching up.  I don't want to be "negative" and post a poll that proves the postulate that 99% of this board now agrees that Tom Is Not The Guy.  So i'm going to keep the list manually.

People on this board, who are not yet convinced that Tom Is Not The Guy, that I have seen post to that effect:

Asithappens, Dad, SkipperJ

Which one of those is cdt23?

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cdt, god bless him, was actually quite anti-Herman when he was hired. But that was mainly because he was a charter member of the Strong mythological society. 

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Averages 5 losses per season over his first 3 seasons at Texas.  Being paid nearly $700-$800k per victory at Texas.  By far and away the biggest financial fraud of the highest 7 paid coaches in the nation.  Maybe there's a reason no marquee coaches want to come to Texas. 

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On 11/18/2019 at 7:48 PM, Bevo said:

You can blame coaches all you want (Orlando, Meh, and a few others deserve it) but don't think for a minute that we have a bunch of early round NFL picks on the team.

They don’t have to be early round picks, they just have to not suck. Even average would be a step up. But we are below average in many areas.

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How many players are there in our team about whom you say “I’d rather have this guy than any other in the conference”? Maybe one on defense and two on offense, and Dicker?

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48 minutes ago, XYZ said:

How many players are there in our team about whom you say “I’d rather have this guy than any other in the conference”? Maybe one on defense and two on offense, and Dicker?

The only one I can say unequivocally is Collin Johnson.

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1 hour ago, XYZ said:

How many players are there in our team about whom you say “I’d rather have this guy than any other in the conference”? Maybe one on defense and two on offense, and Dicker?

That’s a pretty high bar when you’re talking about the whole conference. Very few teams have more than 4 all conference guys and most all-conference players are upperclassmen. All of our upperclassmen are comprised of two underwhelming recruiting classes recruited primarily by Strong. 

16 minutes ago, Llogg said:

The only one I can say unequivocally is Collin Johnson.

Wut? He’s not even the best WR on our own team, and he’s nowhere near all-conference in the Big 12 this year.

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When healthy he's been dominant. He just can't stay healthy. But there's no one in the conference that matches his combo of size, speed, and body control. Duvernay's great and I wouldn't trade him, but CeeDee Lamb as an obvious comp would probably be a wash.

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1 hour ago, XYZ said:

How many players are there in our team about whom you say “I’d rather have this guy than any other in the conference”? Maybe one on defense and two on offense, and Dicker?

Why do people not understand that this is as much an indictment of player development by the coaches as it is the players themselves.  The recruiting rankings indicate there is plenty of talent potential here for us to win consistently and convincingly against all but the national top tier teams.  If they fail to do so because that talent potential is not being realized that is a lack of coaching.

Even 4 and 5 star players at Bama and OSU have to be coached and developed to achieve the level of success that their potential makes possible.  Do some top recruits still fail for other reasons?  Sure.  But the only reason a majority of top recruits would fail at a particular school is if they aren't coached.

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59 minutes ago, Llogg said:

When healthy he's been dominant. He just can't stay healthy.

CJ in the NFL will carry on the brand of Texas players being soft.  He'll play 4 games a year and be "injured" often, much like here.

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2 hours ago, texashorn13 said:

CJ in the NFL will carry on the brand of Texas players being soft.  He'll play 4 games a year and be "injured" often, much like here.

Yeah, I thought that identity had died with Strong, but I agree that it still holds for the most part. 

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23 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Forde-Yard Dash: Herman Still Has a Long Way to Go Before Texas Is Back

It’s been all about Baylor in the Lone Star State this season, as the Longhorns find themselves in the midst of another middling season.

PAT FORDE.   NOV 19, 2019

WE HAVE THIS UPDATE: TEXAS IS NOT BACK

Beware the fan base that reads too much into a non-playoff bowl victory. When Texas (31) handled a sulking Georgia team last year in the Sugar Bowl, a fan base exhausted by a decade-long malaise went ahead and proclaimed it: the Longhorns would be back as a national power in 2019. The Top 25 voters, addicted to brand names, bought in, ranked them in the top 10 entering the season despite significant losses on defense.

Everyone was, once again, wrong. Texas is not back, not close to back, and there is no reason to believe it will be back until proving it in games that actually matter.

After losing to Iowa State Saturday, the Longhorns are a pedestrian 6–4 and a pedestrian 4–3 in the Big 12. They are 23–14 overall under Tom Herman (32), and 16–10 in the league. While that is certainly an improvement over the Charlie Strong body of work (16–21, 12–15 Big 12), it is nearly identical to the last three seasons under Mack Brown (33), which were considered major disappointments. Brown was 25–14 overall, 16–11 in the league.

It also puts Herman pretty much in line with the other Big 12 coaches not named Lincoln Riley who have been in the conference since 2017. Oklahoma State’s Mike Gundy is 24–12, 13–12; TCU’s Gary Patterson is 23–14, 14–12; Iowa State’s Matt Campbell is 22–14, 15–10; and Baylor’s Matt Rhule is 17–18, 11–14.

With nearly a three-year body of work, there is no discernible difference between the Longhorns under Herman and the rest of the upper-middle class of the Big 12. Everyone is chasing Oklahoma in a muddled pack.

Thing is, there is supposed to be a difference between Texas and the rest of the upper-middle class. The recruiting rankings suggest that there should be. The tradition screams that there should be. The results aren’t there.

Even the game-by-game results reinforce the fact that Texas is not operating on a different level. Under Herman, 15 out of 26 conference games have been decided by one score or less. Average score of the Horns’ Big 12 games this season: Texas 32.9, opponents 32.4. Three of the past four have been decided by a field goal on the final play.

Currently, Baylor is the Lone Star State team putting together a special season. Texas has a chance to do damage to that Saturday in Waco, and to keep its own conference title hopes alive. But anything short of a surprise Big 12 title game appearance and upset of Oklahoma will be viewed as coming up short in 2019.

None of this means Texas will never be back under Herman. It does mean that the Longhorns have a long way yet to go. And it means that they should have to prove they’re back before saying they’re back.

Tl;dr  the best Herman can do this year by winning out is equal the win/loss total for the last 3 years of fupm that got him fired.  

Extension looking pretty dumb right about now.  

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9 hours ago, XYZ said:

How many players are there in our team about whom you say “I’d rather have this guy than any other in the conference”? Maybe one on defense and two on offense, and Dicker?

i don't get these posts.  what's your point? our players suck? or although there were highly touted in high school they haven't been developed or put into a system that best utilizes their talent. just because a team doesn't have a lot of all conference players doesn't mean it's an indictment on the players, more times than not it't the coaches fault for elite programs.

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Tl;dr  the best Herman can do this year by winning out is equal the win/loss total for the last 3 years of fupm that got him fired.  
Extension looking pretty dumb right about now.  

It was dumb anyway.

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