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3 minutes ago, Pasken said:

So Trump is meeting with Pompeo today who is the same person he would have to hand his resignation into. Fingers crossed.

Pence has no schedule listed for today. Prior to meeting with the President, Pompeo is meeting with Cypriot Foreign Minister. It was recently announced that a Cypriot who was a teenager when he committed a hacking scheme will be extradited to the US to face prosecution. Plus, there's the whole Turkey-Cyprus issue.

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7 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Pence has no schedule listed for today. Prior to meeting with the President, Pompeo is meeting with Cypriot Foreign Minister. It was recently announced that a Cypriot who was a teenager when he committed a hacking scheme will be extradited to the US to face prosecution. Plus, there's the whole Turkey-Cyprus issue.

So all Pompeo, Pence and Trump would need is a judge to swear in Pence after Trump hands in his resignation to Pompeo and then White House lawyers get Pence pardons to sign.

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4 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

I'd be cautious on this one.  Ambassadors paying for their position is a time honored tradition.  I don't think it is generally as blatant as what is implied here, but certainly big donors from both parties have been given the positions.  If the Dems start raising a stink about this, it could easily turn into an extrapolation that tying foreign policy to campaign help is not unusual.  But it's entirely a different thing to tie political help to the support of foreign governments.  There is a reason that Sondland buying his position is frequently mentioned, but not really hammered on.  

 

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

 

I hate it when they don't state the flip side: 51% think it was wrong and he should be removed; 19% think it is wrong, but he should not be removed; 25% believe he did nothing wrong.  So, 51% for removal, 44% against.  And only a quarter of those polls are buying the "perfect call" narrative.   Depending on how the hearings go, I could see converting some of the 5% undecided, and even some of the 19% wrong, but no removal.  At the very least on the 19%, you could push impeach and censure, which at least provides a path for supporting the impeachment process as a whole, and a negative impression of the Republicans who are trying to block it. 

I'll take those numbers for now. 

 

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21 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I share in the sentiment, but anyone who genuinely thinks this man will willingly resign is fucking batshit insane.

This.  People testifying and telling the truth about him hurts his feelings because it just means one more person who doesn't believe that he's a deity.  But it expands his field where he gets to levy his cruelty and humiliations and petty punishment.  People from his own camp betraying him just means he gets to punish them with inside knowledge about their particular sensitivities.  He has been angry and hateful and miserable his entire life and the presidency is the peak of all of it.  Hurting people is his favorite thing and he's finally in a place where he can hurt people all over the globe.  He'll never surrender that.  This is what he wants to do until he dies.  

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9 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I'd be cautious on this one.  Ambassadors paying for their position is a time honored tradition.  I don't think it is generally as blatant as what is implied here, but certainly big donors from both parties have been given the positions.  If the Dems start raising a stink about this, it could easily turn into an extrapolation that tying foreign policy to campaign help is not unusual.  But it's entirely a different thing to tie political help to the support of foreign governments.  There is a reason that Sondland buying his position is frequently mentioned, but not really hammered on.  

 

Root them all out and burn them down one by one.  Shave all of their heads.  Fuck 'em.  End this shit.

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I share in the sentiment, but anyone who genuinely thinks this man will willingly resign is fucking batshit insane.


Yeah, it’s unlikely he’d voluntarily resign. But he’s clearly not healthy. I think a health resignation isn’t impossible given that he hasn’t spoken a coherent sentence in at least a year.
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27 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

No way they let trump testify in person. It’ll be a written response to questions 

I'll give you a sneak peak of the written answers. 

"I do not recall" "To the best of my recollection that did not happen" 

Then he will tweet he is the smartest person ever with the memory of 10 men and the GOP will point and say "see, president said it didn't happen, good enough for us".

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/trump-s-impeachment-ire-turns-pompeo-amid-diplomats-starring-roles-n1082716

 

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 The impeachment inquiry has created the first rift between President Donald Trump and the Cabinet member who has been his closest ally, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, according to four current and former senior administration officials.

Trump has fumed for weeks that Pompeo is responsible for hiring State Department officials whose congressional testimony threatens to bring down his presidency, the officials said. The president confronted Pompeo about the officials — and what he believed was a lackluster effort by the secretary of state to block their testimony — during lunch at the White House on Oct. 29, those familiar with the matter said.

 

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Inside the White House, the view was that Trump “just felt like, ‘rein your people in,’” a senior administration official said.

Trump particularly blames Pompeo for tapping Ambassador Bill Taylor in June to be the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, the current and former senior administration officials said.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Chooky said:

Root them all out and burn them down one by one.  Shave all of their heads.  Fuck 'em.  End this shit.

I'm all for ending the practice.  I am against commingling the issue with the current impeachment, as it normalizes what Trump has done. 

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7 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Satire is dead.

 

Yo, Stefanik!  Pipe down and make us a sandwich.  Welcome aboard, Mrs. Haley.  You'll love it here.  Shhh!  That's just a polite welcoming gesture, not an opening for you to respond by flapping that cock dock.

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59 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

No way they let trump testify in person. It’ll be a written response to questions 

It would be so easy to goad him into testifying. Pelosi could do it. Challenge his manhood. Call him a loser. Push all of his insecurity buttons. Trump would demand to testify in person. 

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10 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Satire is dead.

 

In Trump's defense (not really, just go along with me here), the fact that his job approval among African Americans is only 10 percent, you're pretty much guaranteed that among the few who support him even fewer would publicly admit it (maybe 1 percent?). Once that context is understand, one can see how this nutcase earned himself such an "honor."

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22 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

It would be so easy to goad him into testifying. Pelosi could do it. Challenge his manhood. Call him a loser. Push all of his insecurity buttons. Trump would demand to testify in person. 

 

Pelosi: "If we are to believe what his porn star girlfriend said about him, he doesn't quite have the requisite manhood to show up and defend himself. You know what they say ... small hands, small Johnson. I should say that this has been my experience as a woman, too."

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Appearing on Fox News Channel’s Sunday Morning Futures, Democrat Rep. Jeff Van Drew (NJ), who opposes impeachment, revealed some Democrats are privately expressing “concern” about the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.

A partial transcript is as follows: 

MARIA BARTIROMO: We’re expecting an impeachment vote sometime in December. How will you vote?

REP. JEFF VAN DREW: I would imagine I’ll be voting “no.” Now, I always have a codicil if there’s something new, something we haven’t heard, something that really rises to the level of treason or a high crime, that would be different. But we don’t see that. We see little different variations, hearsay, discussions that somebody heard something that somebody else said. Impeachment, as you know, our founding fathers had vigorous debates over whether they would even allow impeachment in the Constitution. You don’t disenfranchise voters, millions upon millions of voters. Voters choose their leaders in America.

BARTIROMO: Are you hearing from some of your colleagues in some of the states that President Trump won that they may also vote “no?” Are you hearing some concerns amongst your colleagues or are you sort of a lone wolf in all of this?

REP. VAN DREW: I don’t know how other folks will vote, because in all honesty, originally, I thought there were going to be a few more, not that it matters to me if I’m one or I’m 101. I do what I believe is right. There is some discussion among some of them quietly, privately, of concern, certainly. What I’m hearing out in the street is with most people is, they’re kind of tired, they’re kind of worn out, they’re kind of bored, most folks, and they really want to move on. Unless there’s something new and amazing, we know the end game here.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/18/house-democrat-my-colleagues-are-tired-bored-and-want-to-move-on-from-impeachment/

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11 minutes ago, zork said:

I'm not saying the party needs to kick him out of anything, but.. uh.. why would anyone who holds these beliefs identify themselves as a Democrat in 2019?

During his congressional primary campaign, Van Drew had a 100% rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA).[30] In 2007 and 2008, Van Drew received $2,700 from the National Shooting Sports Foundation Inc., and in 2008, Van Drew received $1,000 from the NRA.[31] In 2010, Van Drew sponsored legislation that would allow residents to carry a handgun after going through a background check, taking a firearms training course, passing a test, and paying a $500 fee.[32] In 2013, Van Drew voted as the only Democrat against a series of 10 gun control bills following the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.[33] Van Drew also voiced support for expanded background checks and the regulation for silencers. Despite his pro-gun stance, the gun-control group Moms Demand Action designated Van Drew a "Gun Sense Candidate".[31]

In 2012 as state senator, Van Drew voted against a bill to legalize same-sex marriage in New Jersey, one of two Democrats in opposition.[34] In 2013 during his reelection campaign, the non-profit New Jersey Family First sent out flyers stating that Van Drew "supports traditional marriage and letting the people vote on the definition of marriage," while his Republican opponent Susan Adelizzi Schmidt was in favor of same-sex marriage.[35]

Also in 2012, Van Drew voted against raising the state minimum wage above the federal minimum wage of $7.25, the lone Democrat dissent.[36] On his campaign website, Van Drew highlighted his support for fully funding the Children’s Health Insurance Program, and protecting net neutrality.[37] Van Drew also supported a state constitutional amendment requiring parental approval for abortions, which he later withdrew. As state senator, he also withdrew sponsorship of a bill to reinstate the death penalty in the state, which he previously favored.[37][38]

Van Drew opposes offshore drilling on the Atlantic coast; in 2019 he joined Republican John Rutherford to introduce the Atlantic Coastal Economies Protection Act, which would prohibit seismic air gun testing in the Atlantic Ocean.[39] The state senator previously voted to withdraw from Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative,[37] and supported the construction of a pipeline through the Pinelands.[40]

In October 2019, he announced that he would oppose the impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump.[41] On October 31, 2019, he was one of two Democrats to vote against the rules for an impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.[42][43] The vote was partially seen as a re-election strategy.[44][citation needed]

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13 minutes ago, zork said:

I'm shocked!  Shocked I tell you!

 

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During his congressional primary campaign, Van Drew had a 100% rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA).[30] In 2007 and 2008, Van Drew received $2,700 from the National Shooting Sports Foundation Inc., and in 2008, Van Drew received $1,000 from the NRA.[31] In 2010, Van Drew sponsored legislation that would allow residents to carry a handgun after going through a background check, taking a firearms training course, passing a test, and paying a $500 fee.[32] In 2013, Van Drew voted as the only Democrat against a series of 10 gun control bills following the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.[33] Van Drew also voiced support for expanded background checks and the regulation for silencers. Despite his pro-gun stance, the gun-control group Moms Demand Action designated Van Drew a "Gun Sense Candidate".[31]

In 2012 as state senator, Van Drew voted against a bill to legalize same-sex marriage in New Jersey, one of two Democrats in opposition.[34] In 2013 during his reelection campaign, the non-profit New Jersey Family First sent out flyers stating that Van Drew "supports traditional marriage and letting the people vote on the definition of marriage," while his Republican opponent Susan Adelizzi Schmidt was in favor of same-sex marriage.[35]

Also in 2012, Van Drew voted against raising the state minimum wage above the federal minimum wage of $7.25, the lone Democrat dissent.[36] On his campaign website, Van Drew highlighted his support for fully funding the Children’s Health Insurance Program, and protecting net neutrality.[37] Van Drew also supported a state constitutional amendment requiring parental approval for abortions, which he later withdrew. As state senator, he also withdrew sponsorship of a bill to reinstate the death penalty in the state, which he previously favored.[37][38]

Van Drew opposes offshore drilling on the Atlantic coast; in 2019 he joined Republican John Rutherford to introduce the Atlantic Coastal Economies Protection Act, which would prohibit seismic air gun testing in the Atlantic Ocean.[39] The state senator previously voted to withdraw from Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative,[37] and supported the construction of a pipeline through the Pinelands.[40]

In October 2019, he announced that he would oppose the impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump.[41] On October 31, 2019, he was one of two Democrats to vote against the rules for an impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.[42][43] The vote was partially seen as a re-election strategy.[44][citation needed]

Seems sort of Republican to me.  


Edit, Chucky beat me to it.  

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20 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

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Interesting list.  made me go look up the pardons list.  

16 pardons so far for the Trumpster as of 10-10-19, I think there were a couple more last week.

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-trump

 

Moar:

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  • Franklin D. Roosevelt: 2,819 pardons
  • Harry S. Truman: 1,913 pardons
  • Dwight D. Eisenhower: 1,110 pardons
  • Woodrow Wilson: 1,087 pardons
  • Lyndon Johnson: 960 pardons
  • Richard Nixon: 863 pardons
  • Calvin Coolidge: 773 pardons
  • Herbert Hoover: 672 pardons
  • Theodore Roosevelt: 668 pardons
  • Jimmy Carter: 534 pardons
  • John F. Kennedy: 472 pardons
  • Bill Clinton: 396 pardons
  • Ronald Reagan: 393 pardons
  • William H. Taft: 383 pardons
  • Gerald Ford: 382 pardons
  • Warren Harding: 386 pardons
  • William McKinley: 291 pardons
  • Barack Obama: 212 pardons
  • George W. Bush: 189 pardons
  • George H.W. Bush: 74 pardons
  • Donald J. Trump: 16 pardons*

I updated Trump on this list as of 10-10-19

https://www.thoughtco.com/number-of-pardons-by-president-3367600

 

edit:  Trump has a lot of grifting to do to catch up to his "betters".

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4 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I'm not saying the party needs to kick him out of anything, but.. uh.. why would anyone who holds these beliefs identify themselves as a Democrat in 2019?

During his congressional primary campaign, Van Drew had a 100% rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA).[30] In 2007 and 2008, Van Drew received $2,700 from the National Shooting Sports Foundation Inc., and in 2008, Van Drew received $1,000 from the NRA.[31] In 2010, Van Drew sponsored legislation that would allow residents to carry a handgun after going through a background check, taking a firearms training course, passing a test, and paying a $500 fee.[32] In 2013, Van Drew voted as the only Democrat against a series of 10 gun control bills following the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.[33] Van Drew also voiced support for expanded background checks and the regulation for silencers. Despite his pro-gun stance, the gun-control group Moms Demand Action designated Van Drew a "Gun Sense Candidate".[31]

In 2012 as state senator, Van Drew voted against a bill to legalize same-sex marriage in New Jersey, one of two Democrats in opposition.[34] In 2013 during his reelection campaign, the non-profit New Jersey Family First sent out flyers stating that Van Drew "supports traditional marriage and letting the people vote on the definition of marriage," while his Republican opponent Susan Adelizzi Schmidt was in favor of same-sex marriage.[35]

Also in 2012, Van Drew voted against raising the state minimum wage above the federal minimum wage of $7.25, the lone Democrat dissent.[36] On his campaign website, Van Drew highlighted his support for fully funding the Children’s Health Insurance Program, and protecting net neutrality.[37] Van Drew also supported a state constitutional amendment requiring parental approval for abortions, which he later withdrew. As state senator, he also withdrew sponsorship of a bill to reinstate the death penalty in the state, which he previously favored.[37][38]

Van Drew opposes offshore drilling on the Atlantic coast; in 2019 he joined Republican John Rutherford to introduce the Atlantic Coastal Economies Protection Act, which would prohibit seismic air gun testing in the Atlantic Ocean.[39] The state senator previously voted to withdraw from Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative,[37] and supported the construction of a pipeline through the Pinelands.[40]

In October 2019, he announced that he would oppose the impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump.[41] On October 31, 2019, he was one of two Democrats to vote against the rules for an impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.[42][43] The vote was partially seen as a re-election strategy.[44][citation needed]

lulz

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1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Based off of those policy positions, it's like he only exists to go on Fox News, spout Republican talking points, and allow them to print the headline "Democrat agrees with all the shit we've been saying!"

Apparently, and from likely a NY style conservative bastion in NJ.  Like the Lib bastions drawn in Texas or the South I guess but in the NE?  NJ did have Christie and Christine T-W as R Govs so it isn't all Dem up there for sure.

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47 minutes ago, zork said:

 

 

36 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I'm not saying the party needs to kick him out of anything, but.. uh.. why would anyone who holds these beliefs identify themselves as a Democrat in 2019?

During his congressional primary campaign, Van Drew had a 100% rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA).[30] In 2007 and 2008, Van Drew received $2,700 from the National Shooting Sports Foundation Inc., and in 2008, Van Drew received $1,000 from the NRA.[31] In 2010, Van Drew sponsored legislation that would allow residents to carry a handgun after going through a background check, taking a firearms training course, passing a test, and paying a $500 fee.[32] In 2013, Van Drew voted as the only Democrat against a series of 10 gun control bills following the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.[33] Van Drew also voiced support for expanded background checks and the regulation for silencers. Despite his pro-gun stance, the gun-control group Moms Demand Action designated Van Drew a "Gun Sense Candidate".[31]

In 2012 as state senator, Van Drew voted against a bill to legalize same-sex marriage in New Jersey, one of two Democrats in opposition.[34] In 2013 during his reelection campaign, the non-profit New Jersey Family First sent out flyers stating that Van Drew "supports traditional marriage and letting the people vote on the definition of marriage," while his Republican opponent Susan Adelizzi Schmidt was in favor of same-sex marriage.[35]

Also in 2012, Van Drew voted against raising the state minimum wage above the federal minimum wage of $7.25, the lone Democrat dissent.[36] On his campaign website, Van Drew highlighted his support for fully funding the Children’s Health Insurance Program, and protecting net neutrality.[37] Van Drew also supported a state constitutional amendment requiring parental approval for abortions, which he later withdrew. As state senator, he also withdrew sponsorship of a bill to reinstate the death penalty in the state, which he previously favored.[37][38]

Van Drew opposes offshore drilling on the Atlantic coast; in 2019 he joined Republican John Rutherford to introduce the Atlantic Coastal Economies Protection Act, which would prohibit seismic air gun testing in the Atlantic Ocean.[39] The state senator previously voted to withdraw from Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative,[37] and supported the construction of a pipeline through the Pinelands.[40]

In October 2019, he announced that he would oppose the impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump.[41] On October 31, 2019, he was one of two Democrats to vote against the rules for an impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.[42][43] The vote was partially seen as a re-election strategy.[44][citation needed]

He's pretty representative of his district.

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2 hours ago, Red Five said:

Like if Colonel Jessup had an IQ of 85.
“Thank you for coming today Colonel.”
“YOURE GOD DAMN RIGHT I ORDERED THE CODE RED!”
“Aaaaaand we’re done here. Later.”

GOP: "The Colonel just said it out loud for everybody to hear, therefore it can't be a crime" 

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