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1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The olds have children who will replace them. The notion that old people are dying off so the problem will go away is utterly and completely false.

So much this.  The "olds" have children and grand children who think just like they do.  Rural America is a cesspool of ignorant racists, who pass their poison on to their ignorant racist spawn. 

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55 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

So much this.  The "olds" have children and grand children who think just like they do.  Rural America is a cesspool of ignorant racists, who pass their poison on to their ignorant racist spawn. 

They’ve been home schooling them for a reason. 

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2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The olds have children who will replace them. The notion that old people are dying off so the problem will go away is utterly and completely false.

This here. The racist have been “dying off” for 200 years now. Ignorance is taught to children and history repeats itself 

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4 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The olds have children who will replace them. The notion that old people are dying off so the problem will go away is utterly and completely false.

2 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

So much this.  The "olds" have children and grand children who think just like they do.  Rural America is a cesspool of ignorant racists, who pass their poison on to their ignorant racist spawn. 

These people could not keep a Muslim, atheist, Marxist, socialist, communist, community organizer born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia, planted in Hawaii, and who moved to Chicago, by the name of Barrack Hussein Obama from winning against a decorated Vietnam war hero in 2008 and a wealthy businessman in 2012.  

Without Trump on the ticket, and with social media platforms booting a shitload of these people and their conspiracies off, their power is diminished.  And with Trump actually in office, they still managed to lose the House, the Senate, and the White House. 

None of these people, whether it Tucker or Hawley or Cruz, are Trump, and none of them will have the kinds of shenanigans we saw helping them in 2016 happening on that scale in the future.   
 

And Fox News has to watch it’s cornhole with the lawsuits now.  They can’t allow guests on doing the Dominion shit that they did in the past.  

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

These people could not keep a Muslim, atheist, Marxist, socialist, communist, community organizer born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia, planted in Hawaii, and who moved to Chicago, by the name of Barrack Hussein Obama from winning against a decorated Vietnam war hero in 2008 and a wealthy businessman in 2012.  

Without Trump on the ticket, and with social media platforms booting a shitload of these people and their conspiracies off, their power is diminished.  And with Trump actually in office, they still managed to lose the House, the Senate, and the White House. 

None of these people, whether it Tucker or Hawley or Cruz, are Trump, and none of them will have the kinds of shenanigans we saw helping them in 2016 happening on that scale in the future.   
 

And Fox News has to watch it’s cornhole with the lawsuits now.  They can’t allow guests on doing the Dominion shit that they did in the past.  

I disagree, with the exception of your first and second paragraphs. I hope I am wrong, however.

This is the calm period; Biden is doing some things to set us back on a good path. Many people have been awakened to the concept that 'it can happen here.' The problem is the guardrails have major damage and are still predicated on the idea that the people who serve are somewhat honest decent people. Sure, they may have some self-serving votes and actions, but unashamedly corrupt and brazenly cruel was not the standard.

The pulling together of disparate groups is something both parties share, but only one of these parties has good intentions.

Fox is not scared.

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

And Fox News has to watch it’s cornhole with the lawsuits now.  They can’t allow guests on doing the Dominion shit that they did in the past.  

 

That's all assuming Dominion wins and the damages awarded to them from Fox are significant enough to give them pause in the future. 

Fox fired Trish after they got scared of being sued for claiming Covid was a Democratic Party hoax, but once they felt safe again and the lawsuits never came, they ramped the same rhetoric up to 11.  

If Fox wins against Dominion or they only get a slap on the wrist, they will use it as a measuring stick of how far they can continue to push the envelope of crazy. 

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3 minutes ago, Tom said:

 

That's all assuming Dominion wins and the damages awarded to them from Fox are significant enough to give them pause in the future. 

Fox fired Trish after they got scared of being sued for claiming Covid was a Democratic Party hoax, but once they felt safe again and the lawsuits never came, they ramped the same rhetoric up to 11.  

If Fox wins against Dominion or they only get a slap on the wrist, they will use it as a measuring stick of how far they can continue to push the envelope of crazy. 

This, plus they'll drag it out long enough through the midterms that they can keep doing propaganda and it will have been subsumed by the news cycle.

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7 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I disagree, with the exception of your first and second paragraphs. I hope I am wrong, however.

This is the calm period; Biden is doing some things to set us back on a good path. Many people have been awakened to the concept that 'it can happen here.' The problem is the guardrails have major damage and are still predicated on the idea that the people who serve are somewhat honest decent people. Sure, they may have some self-serving votes and actions, but unashamedly corrupt and brazenly cruel was not the standard.

The pulling together of disparate groups is something both parties share, but only one of these parties has good intentions.

Fox is not scared.

Trump put a lot of effort into winning last year.  He campaigned for a lot of down-ballot races (well, he campaigned for himself, but he held rallies in locations that benefited the down-ballot races). 

With Fox News completely backing him, with plenty of Republicans at the local and state levels trying to steer things his way, with plenty of social media operations still backing him, he couldn't close the deal against another old white guy who was Barrack Hussein Obama's VP, and who had a half-Black/half-Asian woman on the ballot.

And going forward, because of Republican shenanigans, a lot of various groups are hyper-aware of their dirty tricks, and are going to get voters mobilized and out there, knowing that the Rs are trying to keep them from voting.

Like I said, in the span of two years, Trump lost the House, the Senate, and the White House.

Two things Trump didn't have in 2020 was Hillary running against him, and an unknown record in regards to how he'd preside. I really think people underestimate how much of an impact that made.   Yeah, he may have mobilized the qanon idiots and a bunch of others to come out in 2020 who weren't there in 2016, but Biden still overcame that.

Trump is not running again, and I really don't think anybody in the GOP can generate the anger/frenzy/whatever to get out and support them in 2024. And that's before we talk about the impact of Trump and Sons primarying Republicans they don't like in the mid-terms.

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18 hours ago, staboner said:

holy shit i tried that tucker clip for a few mins. sweet black jesus the US needs a lobotomy via the asshole that is him. 

Is that a new procedure?

Sounds really complicated and painful 

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8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

These people could not keep a Muslim, atheist, Marxist, socialist, communist, community organizer born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia, planted in Hawaii, and who moved to Chicago, by the name of Barrack Hussein Obama from winning against a decorated Vietnam war hero in 2008 and a wealthy businessman in 2012.  

The fact that Dubya ignored the warnings about Islamic terrorism, and his own intelligence briefings about bin Laden being determined to attack in the U.S., and let bin Laden and his al Qaeda cohorts escape from Tora Bora because he was more interested in invading Iraq in order to one-up his dad and get re-elected, and thoroughly botched his response to Katrina (“Heckuva job, Brownie!), and left the economy in ruins after the housing crisis because the GOP has a dogmatic opposition to regulations of any kind and the role of government in actually doing its job might have had something to do with Obama’s victory.

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1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

He was 43,000 votes away from states that matter in winning the election, not the feel good 6 or 7 million total.

And Trump won 2016 by a small amount of votes in a handful of states.  Hell, Biden won Georgia and Arizona in 2020. 

Going forward, Trump will not be on the ballot, and there is no way somebody like a Hawley or a Cruz or DeSantis gets people to the polls the way Trump did. They just don't have the personality for it. Trump tapped into a lot of hate, and made it very personal, and people just don't cling to the wet fish like Cruz, Hawley, or DeSantis.

Shit, with a vote total of over 8 million voters in 2018, Cruz won his reelection by 215,000.  That does not inspire confidence among BMDs.

Plus, the social media platforms have booted the worst offenders, and channels like FNC may have to tread lightly when it comes to promoting conspiracy theories.

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5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And Trump won 2016 by a small amount of votes in a handful of states.  Hell, Biden won Georgia and Arizona in 2020. 

Going forward, Trump will not be on the ballot, and there is no way somebody like a Hawley or a Cruz or DeSantis gets people to the polls the way Trump did. They just don't have the personality for it. Trump tapped into a lot of hate, and made it very personal, and people just don't cling to the wet fish like Cruz, Hawley, or DeSantis.

Shit, with a vote total of over 8 million voters in 2018, Cruz won his reelection by 215,000.  That does not inspire confidence among BMDs.

Plus, the social media platforms have booted the worst offenders, and channels like FNC may have to tread lightly when it comes to promoting conspiracy theories.

I hope you’re right, but it’s a dangerous game to play. We are nowhere near out of the woods with these clowns. 

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9 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I hope you’re right, but it’s a dangerous game to play. We are nowhere near out of the woods with these clowns. 

I hope so too.  Even though Trump cost the GOP both chambers of Congress and the White House, next year will be the real test.  

If Trump and Sons actually follow through and try and primary a bunch of Republicans next year, it’s going to help the Dems out immensely.  It’ll suck up a lot of Republican money, will piss of BMDs, and will drag a lot of dirty laundry out in the open.  

I’m insanely curious to see how Fox News will handle the potential for Trump and Sons to try and knock off a large number of incumbent Republicans.  Something more than Gaetz going after Cheney (and failing).  

Does Fox News give positive coverage if Trump and Sons look like they are going to cost the GOP even more seats in Congress?

 

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I like the guy on the left, front row.  He's seen it all over the last 50 years.  Border shit comes and goes, but the politics of it all never ends.  He's not all geared up in his tac vest to get some b-roll for his next re-election campaign.  These other five look like they're auditioning for a Fox reality show starring Billy Bob and 4 'tough guys'

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1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

I'd bet $100 that the dude in the back right owns a minivan.

If he does it for damn sure is lifted and has a modified turbo coal-rolling diesel and a flagpole by God bless the usa

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20 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

He was 43,000 votes away from states that matter in winning the election, not the feel good 6 or 7 million total.

More like 65k but your point remains.  Because of the EC we remain a very torn and closely balanced country.  Br popular vote, this wouldn’t be a concern.  The EC should be scrapped.

 

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40 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

More like 65k but your point remains.  Because of the EC we remain a very torn and closely balanced country.  Br popular vote, this wouldn’t be a concern.  The EC should be scrapped.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/02/09/republicans-came-within-90000-votes-controlling-all-washington/

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Not Fox news, but I don't think we have a general right wing media thread. In the midst of my post covid shot delirium last night, I was watching the LSU vs Ole Miss baseball game on ESPNU. Every commercial break there was a Newsmax commercial that looked like a KKK recruiting video. 30 second video montage of American flags and white people with a booming voice over "We conquered this land! We built it into what it is today! yada yada yada". I guess a large Louisiana and Mississippi audience is right in their target demo, but fuck ESPN for letting them air that garbage. 

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The fact that Dubya ignored the warnings about Islamic terrorism, and his own intelligence briefings about bin Laden being determined to attack in the U.S., and let bin Laden and his al Qaeda cohorts escape from Tora Bora because he was more interested in invading Iraq in order to one-up his dad and get re-elected, and thoroughly botched his response to Katrina (“Heckuva job, Brownie!), and left the economy in ruins after the housing crisis because the GOP has a dogmatic opposition to regulations of any kind and the role of government in actually doing its job might have had something to do with Obama’s victory.

Few points of order:

After 9/11 and Bin Laden escaping W won re-election in 2004 and his popularity was high up to and early on in the Iraq War.

The reluctance to commit troops to Tora Bora probably had little to do with the plan to invade Iraq. But that is at least debate-able. After Tora Bora it was evident that we needed to commit more troops in Afghanistan and we did.
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Visiting the mother this weekend. Fox Business is only channel she watches for this supposed “I don’t watch Fox News anymore” person. Anyway, they had a huge fear porn feature on the Tesla accident. A lady came on to talk about energy I guess and said, “I don’t know where people will be plugging in their Tesla’s with the continued war on coal.”

the channel is pure propaganda 

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14 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

Few points of order:

After 9/11 and Bin Laden escaping W won re-election in 2004 and his popularity was high up to and early on in the Iraq War.

The reluctance to commit troops to Tora Bora probably had little to do with the plan to invade Iraq. But that is at least debate-able. After Tora Bora it was evident that we needed to commit more troops in Afghanistan and we did.

Bush made sure to invade Iraq close to election time when things would be going well. There’s no question he lost interest in the war in Afghanistan in favor of the Iraq War which was going to occur whether 9/11 happened or not. It was discussed at the first cabinet meeting in 2001. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but it offered a more target-rich environment than Afghanistan, it made for better tv, and they could sell it to a public who was ignorant about and frightened by Islam and couldn’t tell one Muslim from another. After he let bin Laden escape from Tora Bora, the whole escapade became a failed exercise. Al Qaeda fled and metastasized and the ultimate outcome in Afghanistan was set. The Taliban would simply outlast us, even if it took generations, knowing that eventually we’d get tired and leave and then they’d just take over again. It didn’t matter how many more troops we sent, especially when the real problem was in Islamabad (and Riyadh).

I knew when Bush was elected that we’d be at war in Iraq when re-election time rolled around. And I didn’t even know about PNAC and the work done by pre-9/11 architects of the Iraq War like Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and Doug Feith. But I knew Bush wouldn’t make the same mistake his dad did who enjoyed enormous popularity while he was at war with Saddam Hussein but as soon as he ended hostilities, people became more focused on “the economy, stupid” and his popularity declined. Saddam’s armies had grown weaker since the first Gulf War and ours had grown stronger so we knew it wouldn’t be much of a fight. It was a no-brainer (just like our 43rd President who’s currently doing the media circuit peddling his book of shitty paintings).

Then after his re-election, the first time a Republican won the popular vote in the past several decades, the occupation turned into a fiasco, we couldn’t install a competent government, we drove off all the Sunni generals who would eventually go on to lead ISIS forces, we failed to properly train a new Iraqi army, and predictably made Iran much more influential in the region. 

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6 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Visiting the mother this weekend. Fox Business is only channel she watches for this supposed “I don’t watch Fox News anymore” person. Anyway, they had a huge fear porn feature on the Tesla accident. A lady came on to talk about energy I guess and said, “I don’t know where people will be plugging in their Tesla’s with the continued war on coal.”

the channel is pure propaganda 

Well, you see, every serious person knows that coal is COMING BACK BABY!  AND OIL AND GAS IS THE FUTURE!  There's a whole thread by some sunset guy in this forum.  It went pretty well for him I think.

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46 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Well, you see, every serious person knows that coal is COMING BACK BABY!  AND OIL AND GAS IS THE FUTURE!  There's a whole thread by some sunset guy in this forum.  It went pretty well for him I think.

From what I've heard, it's all about clean coal. You see, they take the coal, and they clean it. 

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7 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Not Fox news, but I don't think we have a general right wing media thread. In the midst of my post covid shot delirium last night, I was watching the LSU vs Ole Miss baseball game on ESPNU. Every commercial break there was a Newsmax commercial that looked like a KKK recruiting video. 30 second video montage of American flags and white people with a booming voice over "We conquered this land! We built it into what it is today! yada yada yada". I guess a large Louisiana and Mississippi audience is right in their target demo, but fuck ESPN for letting them air that garbage. 

I think I've seen something similar on YouTube, but I skip out of it ASAP. I'll pay attention tonight when I end up binge-watching a bunch of metal detecting and mud larking videos.

The ads were something about "America was once great, bleh bleh bleh" and it was very generic (probably to avoid getting banned for false info or whatever).

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