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So moving soon and the new house has a media room with screen. Pre-wired for projector. I’m new to the Surly 1% and need input on the projector. I measured and it has a 15’ distance from projector to screen. Would something like this work? Probably won’t need 4K for sometime but would be nice to be future-proof. Anything else to look at?
I did search and found the receiver thread so that’s my next stop.
 
https://www.frys.com/product/9501492?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

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Screen size and seating distance from the screen? Are you going to game on it?

Blacklab and I both have Sony VPL-HW??ES models and love them. Mine is pre 4K and I think his is too.

Processing speed is important if you want to game on it.

Read up a bit here-  https://www.avforums.com/forums/projectors-screens-video-processors.43/

Projector People is going to give you more more details than a big box store- https://www.projectorpeople.com/default.asp

Are you in a major city? HT installers are fading away due to 85" TVs with no light controlled room needed

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15 hours ago, HiggyBaby said:

 Probably won’t need 4K for sometime but would be nice to be future-proof. Anything else to look at?
 

Don't kid yourself about this in electronics,  There is already 8K stuff at CES.

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1 hour ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

HT installers are fading away due to 85" TVs with no light controlled room needed

That was my first thought.  I guess in a big enough room a projector can throw a much bigger image but those days are probably numbered.

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4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

That was my first thought.  I guess in a big enough room a projector can throw a much bigger image but those days are probably numbered.

Projectors most likely revert to being a videophile niche. If they figure out how to join four TV panels seamlessly it will be all but dead.  I can't see how you'd ship a 120-150 inch single panel presently. If roll up TV screens advance that would make it feasible.

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Until they are shipping 170 inch tv's they can pry my projector from my cold dead hands. I have a big room with a high ceiling and the projector really works great. I'd rather watch movies at home rather than the theater.

projector in the first post seems ok.

head over to projectorcentral.com for reviews and rankings.

 

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22 minutes ago, blacklab said:

Until they are shipping 170 inch tv's they can pry my projector from my cold dead hands. I have a big room with a high ceiling and the projector really works great. I'd rather watch movies at home rather than the theater.

projector in the first post seems ok.

head over to projectorcentral.com for reviews and rankings.

 

It is a little slow on lag time for gaming on. 

170"! DAMN.  That is four 85" TVs worth of video goodness.

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Avoid the 4k projector hype right now, most aren't true 4k anyway. The ultra short throw Mi laser 4k is coming to the US soon at around $2k if you really want to spend the money.

https://www.mi.com/global/mi-laser-projector-150/

 

Keep an eye on slickdeals or set an alert for BenQ or Epson deals. BenQ regularly runs deals on 1080p HT refurbs with good warranties that your credit card will likely extend for a year.

My two main setups are a BenQ W1070 w/ 120" screen and an Optoma HD23 w/90" screen. The BenQ has much better picture and reliability, but the Optoma is not bad.

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Thanks for the input. I’m going to get back over to the new place this weekend and measure the screen and circle back to this thread. Yes there will be a gaming console hooked up.

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Ok. The screen is 103” diagonal (the useable part). 90”x 50”. Seating will be probably in the 8 to 12’ range. Would prefer to stay closer to $1000 than $2k.

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Screen size and seating distance from the screen? Are you going to game on it?
Blacklab and I both have Sony VPL-HW??ES models and love them. Mine is pre 4K and I think his is too.
Processing speed is important if you want to game on it.
Read up a bit here-  https://www.avforums.com/forums/projectors-screens-video-processors.43/
Projector People is going to give you more more details than a big box store- https://www.projectorpeople.com/default.asp
Are you in a major city? HT installers are fading away due to 85" TVs with no light controlled room needed


DFW. Thanks for the links.

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Register at AVS and offer this guy $650-700.  350 is nothing for hours. The kids and I could do double that, or more, gaming 12+ hours a day during one summer break. Lamps are around $100 these days and I just changed mine at about 4.5 years.  It was around a year past when the change lamp display started showing before my colors went wonky forcing me to change the lamp. It is 3D capable. I'm the only person in my house that knows ours is 3D capable.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/252-front-projector/3046816-fs-sony-vpl-hw40es-great-condition-low-hours.html

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I'm thinking about switching from TV to projector in ours.  I've studied it some, but just cant get a great feel for it.  Watching this thread.

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Not sure I would ever recommend buying a used primary projector, especially one over $300. I've had 8 projectors over the last 20 years. Several of them had issues under warranty that were fixed. One died 4 months post warranty. It's a crapshoot, but a warranty, especially one extended by your credit card, is good protection.

I'm sure that Sony is nice, but there is no guarantee that the mainboard/DMD chip/etc won't go tits up after a few months and turn it into a boat anchor.

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Pretty that was a $2,400 projector to begin with and I haven’t seen any history of SXRD engine issues but don’t follow that closely  anymore. But, to your point he should ask questions about why so few hours. 

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5 hours ago, rage-a-holic said:

Not sure I would ever recommend buying a used primary projector, especially one over $300. I've had 8 projectors over the last 20 years. Several of them had issues under warranty that were fixed. One died 4 months post warranty. It's a crapshoot, but a warranty, especially one extended by your credit card, is good protection.

I'm sure that Sony is nice, but there is no guarantee that the mainboard/DMD chip/etc won't go tits up after a few months and turn it into a boat anchor.

How much money have you put into 8 Projectors instead of 2-4 higher quality ones? You're touting buying refurbs while saying avoid used? That don't make no sense.

The BenQ 1070 is really slow for gaming.  It's almost 40% slower than that Sony's gaming mode.

If you're a videophile that Sony's contrast levels will kick that BenQ's butt.  Once optimized/calibrated the Sony is 40% brighter, not much, if any, of an issue at his screen size. What is the fan noise level? That Sony is 4' above the heads of those sitting in the chairs on the risers in my HT and you can't hear it.

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8 minutes ago, HiggyBaby said:

Thanks. I’ll ping the guy.

That was a $2,500 dollar projector.  300 hours would around 200 movies over 4-5 years making it 1 a week or fewer.  I'd guess that it hasn't been gamed on and they aren't sports fans or they travelled for work a whole lot.

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1 hour ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

How much money have you put into 8 Projectors instead of 2-4 higher quality ones? You're touting buying refurbs while saying avoid used? That don't make no sense.

The BenQ 1070 is really slow for gaming.  It's almost 40% slower than that Sony's gaming mode.

If you're a videophile that Sony's contrast levels will kick that BenQ's butt.  Once optimized/calibrated the Sony is 40% brighter, not much, if any, of an issue at his screen size. What is the fan noise level? That Sony is 4' above the heads of those sitting in the chairs on the risers in my HT and you can't hear it.

Calm down Beavis. No one was talking shit about your Sony or talking up the W1070. I said buying without a warranty was a crapshoot.

BenQ makes some decent projectors and their refurbs have a 1 year warranty that many credit cards will extend. I'll keep recommending that over an internet P2P used purchase all fucking day long.

And don't make assumptions when you don't know shit. I didn't say "I've burned through 7 out of 8 projectors in 20 years". Of those 8, 5 are still in rotation at my house. One I donated to a family camp a few years ago where it's still going strong. My buddy in Playa has another one and I'll be watching stuff on it next week. Only one of those 8 is in a landfill.

That Sony is nice and a good buy if you could find a refurb with warranty for around $650-700, but you think a relative n00b to the projector world should drop $700 on a used projector that's been out of production for 3 years. I disagree. Whatever.

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Thinking about getting a projector permanently installed. Mostly for sports, primarily for college football but I’d even enjoy having baseball/basketball games playing without sound while we watch other shows on my main TV. I’ve borrowed a projector from work occasionally and set it up like you can see in this picture. But if anyone has any advice I’m very interested because I know next to nothing about projectors.

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I recently moved into a house where the seller left a 90” screen and the room all wired for 5.1 (including leaving two rear speakers in the ceiling). I bought an Optoma HD143X and managed to make the left-behind ceiling mount work.

The image shift on the Optoma isn’t great, and the mount isn’t exactly where it needs to be for this projector. As a result the projector is not pointing straight at the wall, resulting in a slightly wonky image. But once you start a game or a movie you really can’t tell. For less than $500 I’m happy with it as my first HD projector. 4K is a lot more expensive so I’ll let them come down.

Two inescapable things about projectors: the darker the room the better (a projector cannot project black) and they all make noise. Sometimes the noise from the Optoma is noticeable (it’s right above the big sectional in the room). But for a kids video game/movie room it’s fine. If I want a better movie experience I’ll go to the basement and watch on the 65” 4K.

Optoma HD143X 1080p 3000 Lumens... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077C5FLJF?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

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On 5/19/2019 at 10:37 PM, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Register at AVS and offer this guy $650-700.  350 is nothing for hours. The kids and I could do double that, or more, gaming 12+ hours a day during one summer break. Lamps are around $100 these days and I just changed mine at about 4.5 years.  It was around a year past when the change lamp display started showing before my colors went wonky forcing me to change the lamp. It is 3D capable. I'm the only person in my house that knows ours is 3D capable.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/252-front-projector/3046816-fs-sony-vpl-hw40es-great-condition-low-hours.html

So, i'm a moron.  The kids are now off for the summer and gaming in the home theater, I should have changed the lamp when the projector told me it was time.  Color is so much better with the new lamp.  

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Screen size and seating distance from the screen? Are you going to game on it?
Blacklab and I both have Sony VPL-HW??ES models and love them. Mine is pre 4K and I think his is too.
Processing speed is important if you want to game on it.
Read up a bit here-  https://www.avforums.com/forums/projectors-screens-video-processors.43/
Projector People is going to give you more more details than a big box store- https://www.projectorpeople.com/default.asp
Are you in a major city? HT installers are fading away due to 85" TVs with no light controlled room needed



Found some one local selling a low time VPL-HW30ES for a grand. He’s pretty firm on the price. Good deal?

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^^^

Nope. The 30 is a fairly old model with lower lumens, the 35-40-45 are much better than the 30.  A new in the box 45 goes for $1400 on eBay. Here's a 40 with 636 hours on it and a backup lamp and ceiling mount for under $800, on buy it now, shipped. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-VPL-HW40ES-SXRD-1080p-Projector/202693122993?epid=219582488&hash=item2f31739bb1:g:WXoAAOSwX5tc5Wzf

If you have a snipe program there are zero bids with the auction expiring today. Note there are 8 people watching which means they all likely have snipe programs.

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I am running with the Sony 4k projector and like it quite a bit so far. I can tell you screens make a huge difference and if you have the budget check out the Black Diamond at Screen Innovations. I have the 120" and people think it's a TV when they walk in before they see the projector.

https://www.screeninnovations.com/materials/black-diamond/

 

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Out of curiosity I just checked hours on my projector it was 3456. So, we put around 3400 hours on the first lamp. 

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On 5/17/2019 at 4:56 PM, rage-a-holic said:

Keep an eye on slickdeals or set an alert for BenQ or Epson deals. BenQ regularly runs deals on 1080p HT refurbs with good warranties that your credit card will likely extend for a year.

This is good advice for a first timer.  I've owned 2 BenQ's over the past 15 years, bought at cost and resold for damn near what I payed, so I literally rented it like poooosy.

Don't have one currently but will probably buy another once my new theater is ready at end of summer for foooking football.  Gonna do a dual setup this time around, I always liked those setups.  Probably do a 70+ flatscreen on the wall for regular viewing and have a dropdown 120" drop in front of it for movies and Nebraska football and WSU basketball bitches.  

BenQ's are set pretty well out of the box, which is why its a great first timer proj, especially at the price range you're in.  I've still got the original 26" BenQ flatscreen I bought back in 2002, still works fine.  Actually that's not true, the remote stopped working, TV works fine.

https://gizmodo.com/we-found-the-home-projector-thats-actually-worth-it-1834254369

 

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^^^
Nope. The 30 is a fairly old model with lower lumens, the 35-40-45 are much better than the 30.  A new in the box 45 goes for $1400 on eBay. Here's a 40 with 636 hours on it and a backup lamp and ceiling mount for under $800, on buy it now, shipped. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-VPL-HW40ES-SXRD-1080p-Projector/202693122993?epid=219582488&hash=item2f31739bb1:g:WXoAAOSwX5tc5Wzf
If you have a snipe program there are zero bids with the auction expiring today. Note there are 8 people watching which means they all likely have snipe programs.


Thanks

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Update: ended up with a manufacturer refurbed Epson 5040UB for just a little more than the Sony was going for. So far very pleased. 

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Damn, I was a bit shocked at that weight.  Epson is good shit, hope it works well for you.  Let us know, I might look that direction in the fall.

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Bumpity bump

Just got a new house w a formal media room and am working on getting it up by week 2 of football. Anyone have feedback on an Epson 3800? Anything better in that price range? We will mainly use for TV and sports, but I would like to do some Modern Warfare-ing.

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On 9/7/2020 at 9:23 AM, Spur08 said:

Bumpity bump

Just got a new house w a formal media room and am working on getting it up by week 2 of football. Anyone have feedback on an Epson 3800? Anything better in that price range? We will mainly use for TV and sports, but I would like to do some Modern Warfare-ing.

Not everyone all at once now

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I only have about 10 feet to project from so going with a mounted projector would give me about an 80 in screen. I've started looking at the new ultra short throw projectors that can fill my screen of about 110in and require no mounting (saving $800 or so). I'm watching this one for a sale, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FBNDGBK/?coliid=ILAENIMDNBIV 

Samsung has a couple coming out soon too but they will probably be $4000+

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I only have about 10 feet to project from so going with a mounted projector would give me about an 80 in screen. I've started looking at the new ultra short throw projectors that can fill my screen of about 110in and require no mounting (saving $800 or so). I'm watching this one for a sale, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FBNDGBK/?coliid=ILAENIMDNBIV 
Samsung has a couple coming out soon too but they will probably be $4000+
I saw Samsungs latest short throw laser, which looked amazing but $$$$. I'm confused by the mount amount though. Aren't mounts only like $100? How are you getting to $800?

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47 minutes ago, Spur08 said:
1 hour ago, Viper said:
I only have about 10 feet to project from so going with a mounted projector would give me about an 80 in screen. I've started looking at the new ultra short throw projectors that can fill my screen of about 110in and require no mounting (saving $800 or so). I'm watching this one for a sale, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FBNDGBK/?coliid=ILAENIMDNBIV 
Samsung has a couple coming out soon too but they will probably be $4000+

I saw Samsungs latest short throw laser, which looked amazing but $$$$. I'm confused by the mount amount though. Aren't mounts only like $100? How are you getting to $800?

I'll admit I haven't researched much so maybe it's cheaper, I was just thinking the amount to mount and run wires for a projector and all that.

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On 9/7/2020 at 10:23 AM, Spur08 said:

Bumpity bump

Just got a new house w a formal media room and am working on getting it up by week 2 of football. Anyone have feedback on an Epson 3800? Anything better in that price range? We will mainly use for TV and sports, but I would like to do some Modern Warfare-ing.

I have a 3500. No real complaints thus far. I've had it probably 2-3 years. 

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On 5/17/2019 at 9:15 AM, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Are you in a major city? HT installers are fading away due to 85" TVs with no light controlled room needed

I've had 2 theaters with projectors in my last two houses and this is the route I'm leaning for my next one.  I had 110" the first round and 100" the next round and didn't notice the 10" difference at all.  This room is slightly smaller so I think 85" will be just fine.  And less money, easier to install, etc.

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