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Counterpoint:  The people who can provide exculpatory evidence to benefit the President have been ordered not to testify by , uh, hold on, allow me a moment, uh ... the President.  As you can see, the President not allowing these people to testify on behalf of the President is just one more sleazy and unfair tactic of the, uh, just a moment, my apologies, ... Democrats?   

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8 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Holy shit.

How dangerous do you have to be for John Bolton to be concerned about you?!

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34 minutes ago, horncyclist said:

Are there any witnesses scheduled for next week? If they wanted to go straight to articles of impeachment after this, these would be nice closing witnesses. Highlight the national security implications. There's a treasonous aspect underlying the bribe, for sure. 

T-giving recess.  They all head for DCA this afternoon.

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After hearing Bolton’s colorful metaphors - “hand grenade” and “drug deal” - I want him to testify more than ever.

Give us the pizazz, Johnny.

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20 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Holmes has come across as impressive as hell thus far.

Well, to everyone's surprise, it turns out that sometimes a PhD from Harvard means something.  

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I tried to see what was on the poster (“No. No. No.”) during the break but so far no luck. I suspect it has to do with quid pro quo and Sondland ‘s testimony yesterday.

I know someone asked about it. 

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1 minute ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I tried to see what was on the poster (“No. No. No.”) during the break but so far no luck. I suspect it has to do with quid pro quo and Sondland ‘s testimony yesterday.

I know someone asked about it. 

They told Trump to go to rehab.

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Just now, Mrs Whiggins said:

I tried to see what was on the poster (“No. No. No.”) during the break but so far no luck. I suspect it has to do with quid pro quo and Sondland ‘s testimony yesterday.

I know someone asked about it. 

I think its the turner questions where he asked Sondland about whether Trump specifically ordered him to to tie the investigations to the aid.  

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2 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I tried to see what was on the poster (“No. No. No.”) during the break but so far no luck. I suspect it has to do with quid pro quo and Sondland ‘s testimony yesterday.

I know someone asked about it. 

Probably answers to: "Did you ever hear the President say 'Please pursue a bribe and extortion plot under my instructions.'?"

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I love the Trumper who called in to CSPAN and, after throwing around right-wing talking points about the travesty of the hearings, Adam "Schitt" and his hate, etc. she demanded that BOTH SIDES need to get back to doing what they were elected to do.

Uh . . . they were elected to consider impeachment of a corrupt official, as much as anything else.

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1 hour ago, LonghornJudas said:

Sweet. We're going to get a roasting in the Queen's English.

Lol. She is speaking the exact opposite of “The Queen’s English” and she freely admitted it. 

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The people calling in (Alabama) are just so fucking dumb when it comes to this stuff. I don't want to see any President impeached, but when you have clear testimony pointing towards these offenses, you have to let the partisanship go and do what's right. You'd gain a lot more credibility by being willing to sacrifice your own for the betterment of the country.

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8 minutes ago, Yuk said:

Probably answers to: "Did you ever hear the President say 'Please pursue a bribe and extortion plot under my instructions.'?"

Yep.

They use mob tactics/talk to carry out orders instead.

"This was a vintage mob operation with Trump at the top not putting his fingers too directly on things but sending out his lieutenant Rudy Giuliani..."

 

Spoiler

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I tried to see what was on the poster (“No. No. No.”) during the break but so far no luck. I suspect it has to do with quid pro quo and Sondland ‘s testimony yesterday.

I know someone asked about it. 

Dems should just put up a OH, MOMMA MIA! MOMMA MIA! poster.

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The efforts to debunk the quid pro quo by the GOP is starting to seem more like the tinfoil hat "moon landing didn't happen" type conspiracy theorists than ever before.

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

He's never met any of my relatives over the age of 60.

Yeah, but his over 60 cult members absolutely believe that the rest of the world hears as badly as they do.

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38 minutes ago, Chet Steadman said:

I’m thinking we’re going to see Giuliani’s supposed blackmail material on Trump he alluded to last week sooner rather than later.  

Pee pee tape is real. Plot twist: It's Rudy peeing on Trump. 

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5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Pee pee tape is real. Plot twist: It's Rudy peeing on Trump. 

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

These two are running our Ukraine foreign policy.

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If the President had owned this back in September it would be over by now.  Instead we have credible witnesses testifying to Congress about how the promotion of these theories is evidence that Trump, Giuliani, et al are compromised  by Putin.  Now Devin Nunes is getting pulled into it as well.

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Rocket scientist calling in to CSPAN says that because the Democrats are running an investigation on their political opponent, the President should be able to do the same thing.

The whole "foreign agent" aspect of Trump's request seems to elude a large percentage of the right.

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Just now, Anastasis said:

Listening to these callers on CSPAN during the break.  Wow. 

I was just gonna ask if anyone else was listening...this lady from New Jersey is so ill informed...dare I say stupid.

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Just now, Anastasis said:

Listening to these callers on CSPAN during the break.  Wow. 

"The Democrats are accusing the President of investigating a political rival, while they themselves are investigating their political rival!"

Too stupid to even comprehend.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Rocket scientist calling in to CSPAN says that because the Democrats are running an investigation on their political opponent, the President should be able to do the same thing.

The whole "foreign agent" aspect of Trump's request seems to elude a large percentage of the right.

Yeah. That was odd. She also said that she thinks that this investigation is mind-boggling and shouldn't be happening. Then said that anybody accused of a crime should be investigated, even the president. 

The talking points are getting skewed by their own inabilities to process those talking points against what they know deep down to be right. I like it. Their brains are fracturing.

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Just now, SquishMitten said:

Yeah. That was odd. She also said that she thinks that this investigation is mind-boggling and shouldn't be happening. Then said that anybody accused of a crime should be investigated, even the president. 

The talking points are getting skewed by their own inabilities to process those talking points against what they know deep down to be right. I like it. Their brains are fracturing.

Right wing propaganda for the past 30 years has broken a significant portion of our populace.  This is how empires crumble.

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Just now, SquishMitten said:

Yeah. That was odd. She also said that she thinks that this investigation is mind-boggling and shouldn't be happening. Then said that anybody accused of a crime should be investigated, even the president. 

The subtext, was "except THIS president"

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1 minute ago, SquishMitten said:

The talking points are getting skewed by their own inabilities to process those talking points against what they know deep down to be right. I like it. Their brains are fracturing.

Their brains are fractured.  Were that not the case, Donald Trump would not have been elected President.

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Ok, so I missed most of the testimony this morning while walking my dogs but did listen to some in the car and noticed Fiona Hill has an English accent...has anyone accused her of being a spy yet? 

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Just now, SquishMitten said:

Yeah. That was odd. She also said that she thinks that this investigation is mind-boggling and shouldn't be happening. Then said that anybody accused of a crime should be investigated, even the president. 

The talking points are getting skewed by their own inabilities to process those talking points against what they know deep down to be right. I like it. Their brains are fracturing.

It's really the weakness of their propaganda system.  David Frum has a piece in the Atlantic about it.  It insulates them from cognitive dissonance, but doesn't allow them to seem coherent or even sane to those outside the walls.  That and they're morons.

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This lady from Kentucky is making me proud to live in Kentucky...although I know she and I are in the minority in this state

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When gaslighting is one party's main technique, there really isn't much farther down we can go.

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13 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

If the President had owned this back in September it would be over by now.  Instead we have credible witnesses testifying to Congress about how the promotion of these theories is evidence that Trump, Giuliani, et al are compromised  by Putin.  Now Devin Nunes is getting pulled into it as well.

Now? Just now?

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1 hour ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Nunes has been to Ukraine how many times exactly? Does Schiff not think that the GOP would accord *them any courtesy? Just serve his butt and ask him questions. You can’t ask him to step down because the GOP would cry foul so make him answer to his association with people under investigation.

*Democrats in a similar situation 

Yeah, you don't want him to step down.  The most unfair procedural trick the Dems have done in this impeachment was select the committee for the public hearings.  In doing so, they specifically picked Schiff vs. Nunes.  This was not accidental.  The last thing the Dems want to do is have him step down and allow the Republicans an opportunity to select a replacement.  If the Parnas connection has legs, all the better.  And the Dems don't have to say a damn thing in the hearings, just let the press run with it as the Nunes rambles through conspiracy theories for the public to see. 

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It really doesn't matter.  Asking for an investigation is not the same thing as asking for a conviction.  Trump has no way of knowing what the result of the investigation would be so it is impossible to prove he would gain anything by it.  What would he gain if an investigation was held and Biden ended up being found innocent of any wrong doing?
 
Anyway back to the independents that Mrs. Whiggins doesn't care about.  Even though you are going to need them to win the election in 2020.
Let's see how some of them feel about this whole thing.
https://twitter.com/mkolken/status/1195402438318182400?s=21
 
I'm not a Trump voter and oppose many (most?) of his policies. That said, anyone with any intellectual honesty can see that this hearing is a sham devoid of any semblance of due process. Go ahead Democrats, vote to impeach. You've lost any chance at this independent's vote.
 
I believe Dems have not only lost a lot of Independent votes; they may have also lost a lot of moderate Dem votes as well...
They lost my vote & membership during the 2016 primary. Their repeated "dishonest" ( IMO much worse) actions motivated me to look deeper. Much deeper. The party & it's so- called "leaders" deserve to implode. #DemExitForEver #WalkAway
This spectical will make a lot of voters cast straight ticket votes for Republicans.   I hope they lose it all.  House, many seats.
I was a Never Trump guy till the media dropped the tape after he got the nom; and it made me realize they were trying to rig the election. I'm 100% ProTrump now. The Dems *need* a hard defeat to save their party. It's the only way to purge the faction in charge.
Mr. Kolken, these people are not Democrats. They are evil people who have hi-jacked the Democratic Party and are using the name Democrat.  Real Democrats need to stand up to them and take back their Party.
Ding ding ding.  They are absolute sabotaging themselves here
They are. Crazy crazy
Me too. Independent voter who will be voting red in 2020.
This is way beyond Trump. We now have an entire party and media committed to undermine an election because they didn't like the results. If we election results are ignored all we have left to resolve differences is violence.
My sentiments exactly.
It really shows how dumb they think we are. Time to show them how wrong that assumption is.
I literally swore I would not vote for Trump because of the horrible treatment of those with painful conditions #CPP. After watching this Fkfest and getting basically the same treatment from both sides, Trump gets my vote.
Of all the things I miss most in this new era is integrity. The lack of it in our government, our media, our intelligence agencies, our colleges is staggering. When ideology is chosen over truth and facts, eventually we all lose. This is true of both Democrats and Republicans.
Agreed.  I’m a former Democrat, now Independent.  The circus put on these past three years has only uncovered the blatant hypocrisy and double standards the Democratic Party stand for.  Which is ALL they stand for.  It’s deflating and shameful.
There are more of us than the Dems want to admit. I also didn't vote for Pres. Trump, but I'm likely to after their non-stop attacks. Even the Boy Who Cried Wolf, after 3 yrs. of doomsday wailing, ends up hoarse.
"I'm not a Trump voter ..."
Nor I, and I agree with you.
"...anyone with any intellectual honesty can see that this hearing is a sham devoid of any semblance of due process..."
Wish I could like your tweet a million times!! Thankful for people with common sense!!
I am in the same boat. I was a Democrat for the 2016 election, independent now. After this episode, how can I even think Democrats???
Also while trump was out of line with his tweet, The fact that Schiff stopped her testimony to read it in realtime speaks volumes as he then tried to portray it as an attempt to intimidate her & witness tampering. When there was no chance of her seeing it while testifying
Well said! Even if you dont like Trump this is just going too far!
Thank you for saying this! We don't have to love Trump... shoot we don't even have to like him. We as a country are under attack by this sham. It's foolish to trust any of these people. If they can be so bold to do this to the POTUS, we peasants are nothing to them
I'm an #Independent - would never vote for a #Democrat.....
This Independent feels the same.
This "thing" going on in the House is a balloon sent up by the elites to see if WE the People are going to sit by and let them overthrow our Constitutional Republic.  They are having a field day in seeing is they can destroy and give themselves all power at our expense.
Thank you. We need more people with that same intellectual honesty. We need more people to think critically about how what they're doing is changing this country. The Democrats recent despicable Behavior has done more damage to our country than I've seen in my lifetime.
At one time I voted for the best person , I will never vote for another democrat they’ve lost their minds.
That’s what I said after the Kavanaugh farsicle dem spectacle. I used to vote for a few decent dems (a moderate A+ dem = a B republican).  But after that disgusting show I vowed to not vote for another dem ever. I just won’t vote in that race if it’s a bad republican (Romney).
Same. I didn't vote for him and am an avowed independent. I always vote a third party for president as the two party system is the biggest threat to our country IMO. but I am seriously considering voting for Trump just because Democrats have acted so badly.
It really is a sad sham, one begins to ask who the real totalitarians are.
Totally agree.   I don’t like any of them.   But this is a sham.
Do glad to hear that people see through their sham and hopefully the power grab they're attempting.  I was an independent as well but Dems have lost their minds and ate violent,  corrupt and dangerous
This is setting an awful precedent for the future. If we let this stand, we will see ingovernability in the future. We will impeach for any reason with unconstitutional rules. Anarchy will set in. The time to fix this is now. Stop and have an open, public review of the rules.
Same here. I consider myself a strong Independent and I’ve watched these hearings and thought you’ve lost any chance of me voting Dem again. Schiff is deranged and they’re all following him into extinction.
Not only do we need to vote for Trump in 2020 but we also need to vote out as many democrats from all political offices. Our country is in a state of emergency. If Democrats get power now we will lose our country forever as we know it.
Insanity reigns in the Democrat party.
Same views except the treatment toward Trump has exposed the deep state.  Non-elected government officials working against those elected.  True Democrats should be concerned too.  All the best.
I, as a fellow Independent, agree 100%.
I totally agree with you. They’ve list their minds and it’s so obvious
Thank you for stating common sense
This is the craziest thing I’ve seen.
It is heartening to know that there are people who view this "hearing" with clear vision. Schiff is a completely dishonest individual.
As a fellow I, I find it amazing that the leftist people I know think this circus has had any validity. All you have to do is watch... layers upon layers of hearsay while we have a former Vice President recorded doing exactly what has been alleged. Dems lost me years ago tho.
Same here. I'm an independent and have voted Democrat before, but they lost me the past 24 to 36 months. Well done!
I love intellectually honest people regardless of political leanings.  Thank you for not succumbing to TDS!
I’m glad that my state offers voter registration changes online. I was a Central leaning Dem until all the socialism stuff that I don’t believe in has become more prominent in the debates and then the impeachment sham sent me away from them. #WalkAway #NoRagerts 
Even, Obama, has tried to talk to the Democratics about embracing far left policies. The Zeitgeist does not support extremism. They better heed his advice if they want my Independent Vote.
Agreed, I vote for the person and policy not by party, but Dems have lost my vote also.
 

Wel. I’m an Independent who has a strong voting record of voting for both Democrats and Republicans and there is zero doubt whatsoever that he broke the law and has committed a serious crime. The evidence is overwhelming.

So really you must be saying that you and the Independents you’ve quoted don’t care whether our government is corrupt. That may very well be true. We see it everyday from people’s personal behavior too.

This country exists and achieves great prosperity mostly because it tries to operate legally and fairly for its citizens. Your lack of ethical and moral standards tears down this country, not strengthen it. You and the others that think this way are a terrible people.

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31 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Yeah, but his over 60 cult members absolutely believe that the rest of the world hears as badly as they do.

The self-awareness is something they share with the President.

17 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Listening to these callers on CSPAN during the break.  Wow. 

Yeah, it was raising my blood pressure yesterday and so I have been working during the breaks. 

 

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12 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Ok, so I missed most of the testimony this morning while walking my dogs but did listen to some in the car and noticed Fiona Hill has an English accent...has anyone accused her of being a spy yet? 

 

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