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  1. 4 minutes ago, bolverk said:

    We also have a thread in the CR that was started in 2019, which has grown to 89 pages, where folks on the very first page talk about not giving a shit whose "team" gets caught up in the Epstein scandal so long as guilty parties are punished. Your personal lack of give-a-shit there, too, is also noted.

    Your aggressively defensive indignation, including personal insults such as the one quoted above, didn't get going until one of those "teams" actually began actively blocking the public release of information. And then, you suddenly decide to come out and start attacking the "team" that wants the files to see daylight.

    I hope you can see how your claim to be on the "team" of justice and transparency rings oh-so-fucking-hollow.

    The personal insults start when the barking seals exit the CR and shit on everything they touch. They see only one thing. 
     

    Your remarkably stupid supposition that one does not care about a subject just because one does not participate in a Surly thread about it received well earned scorn. 
     

    The fact that you think that was a real gotcha is sad. 

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  2. 1 hour ago, 'stache said:

    The most likely scenario is that the "file" contains names of people who Epstein associated with and/or who flew with him and/or visited the island, but nothing to establish that they had sex with minors. He liked having rich and powerful friends, it's not like he only associated with pedophiles. So yeah, if there isn't enough evidence to support prosecutions, the result would be that nothing is said about it because the investigation files are generally not public unless they lead to prosecutions. And LOL that any of this is about "child predators." It was always performative to score political points by promising that if you elect him he'd expose a bunch of leftist pedophiles. He's now saying those files never existed and his political enemies created a hoax. It's fucking laughable. I think he should be held to account for that lie and if it leads to insinuations that he's in fact the pedophile, so be it, that's the game he set up. It's again clear that you believe the dems covered up a pedophile ring because that's the narrative you were told to believe. You are the exact type of gullible mark that won them the election. Congratulations.

    Yay team. Don’t forget your devotional at 7pm. 

    40 minutes ago, bolverk said:

     

    For the record, we have a 24-page thread about shaming pedophiles, yet I don't recall you ever posting in that one. Hell, this thread is 3 years old, and your first post here wasn't until Sunday. So, based on your lack of posting history about the topic, it seems that you didn't start giving a shit until very recently, for whatever reason.

    Don’t go outside without a helmet. 

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  3. 15 hours ago, 'stache said:

    @TwiceHorn has explained a number of times why this wouldn’t happen, but your “both sides” schtick requires you to believe that the Biden administration was incapable of following prosecutorial ethics and norms. It’s telling that you’re so hung up on accusing the left of “performative bs” and ignoring that, even if that’s the case, it’s in response to years of performative bs from trump and co. saying for years that the list exists and that he would release them and expose a bunch of leftist pedophiles. Again, please answer why they should just let it go and not respond in kind? Performative bs won them control of all three branches of government. Why do you insist that the left should not respond in kind unless your ultimate objective is for them to keep losing elections? All the data shows that the American electorate at large cares only about performative bs.

    There are two possibilities:

     

    1. The information is so damning for all in involved that no one wants to produce the details of the investigation.

    2. The investigation produced nothing outside of the need to jail Epstein and Maxwell ( which is also what Trump is saying once you dig past the hoax nonsense). That outcome is preferable to believing that our elites, power brokers and celebs aren’t debauched assholes sexually abusing minors. 

    It is difficult to believe that the DOJ’s investigation has produced nothing of consequence 6 years after Epstein was arrested. You might be able to pull the “its standard procedure to not reveal any information during an investigation” in year one, two or three. 6 years later, 5 and a half years to Trump’s second inauguration, and nothing? Zilch? Nada?

    It is no stretch at all to assume the Biden Administration and any department under it was capable of fucking anything up btw.

    Yes, I can see “performative BS” has stuck in your craw. So much so that you’re not even trying to deny the Dems are using it. Making no issue of this at all, or even trying to counter it in anyway while the Trump campaign at least loudly hinted about pursuing it, is the Dems failure. Making a stink about it now that it’s politically expedient to stage a vote in Congress that they knew they were going to lose is the definition of performative. Showing any hint of caring about this before the recent vote might have assuaged such accusations, but the Dems gave no fucks about it, and now are trying to hide behind DOJ procedure. How many times has Ro Khana taken to the House floor to push for the release of the Epstein files once the investigation was complete in the last year? Two years? I have a sneaking suspicion the answer is pretty close to zero. As in zero fucks given. 

    You can take your “both sides” BS back to your house of worship in the CR. There should be only one side you care about when it comes to child predators. Instead you’re trying scoreboard BS because you don’t actually give a fuck about it other than a way for “Yay team” to advance itself politically. 

     

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  4. 7 hours ago, 'stache said:

     

    What if it’s true (which I believe is the most likely scenario)? You’re railing on “performative bullshit” from the left, meanwhile the right won elections through “performative bullshit” insisting that the list exists and that all their political rivals were pedophiles. It worked. Our stupid as fuck electorate has proven they only care about performative bullshit. You still think the “left” should back down and take the high road? Do what prez says and just forget about it after all the bs from the last election cycle? Sounds like you just want them to keep losing elections which is why people are treating you like maga. This is the country we live in, there is no reason for the left to just step aside, even if it is largely performative at this point. He created this conspiracy, make him stew in it, for as long as possible. 

    There’s zero chance that Trump was involved in this and the progs running Biden’s administration wouldn’t leak it unless the dirt on their own was so bad that it wasn’t worth it to go for the big fish. 
     

    It’s either mutually assured destruction or they have nothing on Trump. 
     

    I don’t give a shit about the rest of that. This is the thread about exposing pedos. Or, as you noted, making it clear that there was nothing beyond Maxwell and Epstein. 

    8 hours ago, B00M said:


    If the dems had released the documents prior to the election and there was evidence that Trump fucked a bunch of kids, would any of his supporters believe it? Absolutely not. Perhaps justifiably, it would have been seen as politically motivated bullshit. You know, just another witch hunt. The only way it will be seen as believable to his base is if it emerges during his administration. 

    They would have believed it if it also took down other big names from the left, powerbrokers and maybe a Royal or two. No, it wouldn’t be believe if the names were just Epstein, Maxwell and Trump. 

    5 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

    I'll root for the team that's not actively protecting child rapists, thanks. The Dems don't care who is included in the potential friendly fire, and I'm happy to see that. Bill Clinton is definitely in there, and I would have no problem seeing him locked away for life. I would imagine other Dems in office are also going to be caught up in it, and quite a few Republicans too, many actively serving in this administration.

    I would expect the party of "morals" and "law and order" would want to see justice for the Epstein sex trafficking and rape victims, but as you can see above, 220 of them couldn't even bother to vote for a ceremonial nudge to make the criminals names public. We can't even get this administration to say there is an active investigation that would be impacted by the release. Instead it's all misdirection and pretending it doesn't exist, or it's a "hoax." It all just screams "I'm guilty" for Trump, and he should go down for it. Probably won't happen, but we can all dream. 

    You root for the team that gave no fucks about this until it was politically expedient to make a show in Congress on a vote they knew they would lose. Wow. Way to really step out there.  
     

    You’re still playing “my team” and pointing to a scoreboard when there’s only those for exposing the pedos and those against it. For the record. I would love to see some of the crazies on the right join with the Dems to force the issue, but they don’t want it out any more than the Dems do. Circuses and cake. Hope you got some icing. 

  5. 3 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

    Odd, it would appear that 210 Dems 'in power' in the House want it released.  Not that this resolution would be binding or anything anyways, but it is funny that the R's were able to find just 1 more vote than the Dems had present to shut this down, and then let some of their people not vote on it to save face or something. 

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    It's interesting who didn't vote for the R's, since every one of these people won their district easily. I wonder why they don't vote to release the files?  What are they scared of?  Trump/Bondi/Patel would ignore this resolution if it passed anyways. 

    During a recent House vote on a procedural measure related to the release of Jeffrey Epstein files (Roll Call 195 on H. Res. 580), Nine Republicans abstained from voting: 
    Andy Ogles (TN)
    Michael McCaul (TX)
    Thomas Massie (KY)
    Barry Loudermilk (GA)
    Wesley Hunt (TX)
    Morgan Lutrell (TX)
    Mark Green (TN)
    Monica De La Cruz (TX)
    Buddy Carter (GA) 

    I see you’re trying to claim scoreboard like some of the other zealots here. 
     

    Odd, I don’t recall the Dems amassing 200 votes to try to push for the release of the investigation’s information just 7 months ago. I guess they juuussssttt wrapped it up as Trump was sworn in, and couldn’t get it over the finish line. 
     

    Quit playing “Yay team” and realize that no one in Washington, and probably a few other power circles and capitals world wide wants this released. 

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  6. 48 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

    The complete non-answer is acknowledged.  

    Can we agree that you limit your concern for the children to the teenage females that Epstein so horribly abused, and you don’t buy into some democratic Cabal that lives to drink the life force from children?

    You know, as a start?

    Some questions aren’t worth an answer. 
     

    The only conspiracy that I’ve posited is that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked minors sexually, possibly as a deviant or some sort of financial operative, and that there’s probably a lot of people who don’t want that information made public. I’ve been pretty clear that I think it applies across the political spectrum. 
     

    Or we can suppose that in several decades of such behavior in places where he made sure he had plenty of surveillance that only he and his number one did anything worth jail time, and that it hasn’t been revealed because of the ongoing investigation. 

  7. 10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    As I have said repeatedly, I am quite sure the DOJ under Trump and Biden, when relatively normal, investigated the rest of the Epstein cabal and found no indictable offenses after Epstein and Maxwell.

    Everything else was performative nonsense.

    And Trump wanting to release rumor bait until he came to understand that the rumors would be about him as much as anyone.

    Of all the possibilities I would like that to be true. 

  8. 20 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

    what are your thoughts on the basement in the pizza place - and do you think that Hillary is drinking adenachrome from children?  As a side issue, I mean.  To determine how bat shit crazy you are.

    Oh there are plenty of people sounding like rabid, batshit crazy nut jobs. They’re just too siloed to see it

  9. 2 hours ago, huge said:

    I dont think BB is quite the MAGAT you ascribe him to be but maybe I'm wrong.

    I’m not, but the CR zealots don’t have a scale. Just an either or statement. 

    2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

    Yeah, the "barking seals" comment wasn't a tell, not at all.

    Sorry someone else accurately described you too. 

    2 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

    So then what was in the files that were on Bondi's desk a few months ago? 

    Why make all these claims about the files only to have some of the most vocal critics appointed to the FBI then backtrack on those claims?

    Why did the Trump administration doctor the footage of Epstein's jail cell and try to present it as evidence? 

    I would think a semi-normal person, such as yourself, would have the same questions and many more. It would appear to me, a normal guy who is not a fan of a child rapists, that this is a cover up. It seems that Trump himself does not want the files about all the child rapes and sex slavery released either. Why he doesn't want to release it is just a mystery we may never solve... 

    I have no questions. It appears Trump and company are actively trying to suppress any information they have. Which, if you’ve read any of the thread  has been a theme. Nobody in power or who held power wants it released. 

    1 hour ago, elguapo said:

    Again, I must have missed where the Dems declared "investigation over!, everyone go home there is no list, nothing to see here and stop wasting our time talking about it". Weird.

    True. They just didn’t give a shit in the first place. 

    1 hour ago, 'stache said:

     

    Typical MAGAT cosplaying as a "both sides"-er. All "both sides"ers are either maga lovers or maga enablers at this point and are basically the same thing.

    There are two sides in this issue. Against the sexual exploitation of children or for it. 
     

    And then there’s individuals such as yourself who think it’s some kind of game. 
     

    Im sorry you’re so broken. 

  10. 55 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

    By the end of the week Bobby is going to be like "what's the big deal about raping 10 year olds?"

    Yeah, the guy who thinks minors were abused, doesn’t care who was involved as long as they burn for it, and believes that the pubs and dems are full of shit about releasing any information is suddenly going to be pro pedo. 
     

    Quite the leap there dipshit. 

  11. 2 hours ago, elguapo said:

    I must have missed where the "Dems" went around blasting on social media that the Jeffrey Epstein hoax is a scam and to STOP TALKING ABOUT IT, weird

     

    Yup. He’s full of shit about this. Again, it’s clearly about score keeping for some of you. Trump lies his ass off and nothing happens. The Dems, who couldn’t be bothered in the first place, and only now want answers after having four years to get them while in power, did nothing…..and nothing happens. 

    I’ll help you out on this one. Nothing will happen when the Dems get power again. But yay, you got Trump lying. 

    28 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

    Well...

    US-Attorney-General-Merrick-Garland.jpg?

    LOL. Touché. 

    1 hour ago, 'stache said:

     

    how cOme It’S aLwAYS aBOUt TRuMP?

    Maybe because of shit like this? Your whole ass is showing with that bs comment. Between this guy and the people who support him and the people who push back and call this childishly and dangerously unpresidential, remind me which side you think has a “derangement syndrome”?

    I know a lot of you can’t see it, but it’s very apparent to the semi normal people when the barking seals escape the cloak room to tell us how crazy the rest of us are. 

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  12. 14 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

    I get that it seems like nothing matters anymore, and norms and precedents don't exist or are for losers, but a President's administration unilaterally deciding to release names and evidence from an ongoing, unresolved investigation didn't used to be a thing. It's not legal, in fact. Even if it could hurt your political rivals.

    6 years later and we’ve got one person in jail?  Helluva investigation they’ve got going on there. 

    Let’s suppose they are still investigating and are on the 1 conviction per decade plan. Wouldn’t that make politicians demanding the information be released, an illegal act as you say, performative crap?

  13. 16 minutes ago, Captainant said:

    I gotta say, your commitment to the bit is impressive. I have no idea why Trump would suddenly do an about-face

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    You're right. It's probably all just """pErFoRmAtIvE cRaP""

    When a politician makes a lot of noise about getting something done when said politician’s party was in power for four years and did nothing to achieve that objective then it’s performative crap. 
     

    I know, in your mind there is only a ledger for or against Trump. 

  14. 3 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:


    its more than just “producing the goods” Trump says the Epstein files are a HOAX, completely made up.   Weird

     

     

    Yeah, Ok. Wanna take bets on the Dems doing something about the Epstein investigation the next time they hold power?

     

    I don’t give a F about the performative crap by the Dems or Trump saying Trump shit. The result is the same. 

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  15. 1 minute ago, mdmost said:

    Well there was the whole show with the giant Epstein file binders being handed out on the White House lawn and right wing influencers being given heavily redacted copies in a vain attempt to make good on a promise they had no intention of keeping. Maybe you missed that episode. 

    Maybe that rings as hollow to me as staging a vote to release the files when no one who’s making a stink now pushed for anything over a four year period. 
     

    The results are the same. Nothing gets done. The Dems and the Pubs are full of shit on this issue. 

  16. 1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

    The mental gymnastics here. Wow.

    There’s no mental gymnastics. One side was in power and gave nary a damn about it. The other side made a stink about it and now refuses to produce the goods. 
     

    The result is the same. No one in power, or who held power, is interested in releasing the information. 

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  17. So the big gotcha is one side campaigned on releasing the Epstein files, and the other side didn’t give enough of a fuck about it to make it an issue?

    “Your side is blocking the release!” Isn’t a slam when your own side didn’t give a damn about children being sex trafficked in the first place. 
     

    Its patently obvious that no one in power, or who once held it wants the results of that investigation released. 
     

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  18. 21 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

     

    One administration literally campaigned on exposing the Epstein scandal and promised answers to their base, and now they are doing everything in their power to make it go away. 

    Don’t really care who ran on what. I don’t need someone to politic for exposing child predators to want child predators exposed. 

  19. 52 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    They're not my norms.  https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-27000-principles-federal-prosecution#9-27.760

    Generally, you don't disclose factual material underlying investigations and prosecutions until constitutional requirements mandate disclosure to the defendant.

    For uncharged parties, you don't disclose material that might incriminate them because they have no forum in which to defend themselves.

     

    'there is ordinarily “no legitimate governmental interest served” by the government’s public allegation of wrongdoing by an uncharged party, and this is true “[r]egardless of what criminal charges may . . . b[e] contemplated by the Assistant United States Attorney against the [third party] for the future.”"

    Which brings us right back to the supposition that Epstein was the only person abusing underage girls at his party place. I don’t think that’s likely. 
     

    I mentioned there being no reason to withhold information unless there’s an ongoing investigation, and find is hard to believe that they’re still looking into it. And I agree that you don’t name names unless they’re being charged. I just don’t think that it’s anywhere near as clean as Epstein acting alone. 

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  20. 14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    The Dems didn't release it for one main reason:  the Biden Department of Justice respected norms.

    To the extent it was an ongoing criminal investigation, in old America you don't release that information.

    To the extent it was a terminated criminal investigation, in old America you don't release that information until everyone is dead, if then.  See, JFK.

    MAGA therefore brewed it into some giant conspiracy to protect pedo Dems, Trump world bought into it or at least thought they'd curry favor, then they looked at it.  Whoops.

     

    Epstein killed himself in 2019. By your “norms” standard the only person involved was dead for 4 years when the current administration took over. Thats if we believe that there was a secret party island for the elites covered in cameras where minors were being sex trafficked for just Epstein himself.  
     

    That seems unlikely to me, but I don’t think we’ll ever know  

     

  21. 25 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

    if bad things about Trump were in the files when the DOJ seized and rated Epstein‘s places, they were gone well before Biden took office in 2021, don’t you think?  Why would you expect the next Democratic administration to release a statement that would allow Trump to say that Biden investigated and Trump was exonerated?

    If there were files regarding Trump in the Epstein case, and he can burn in hell with anyone else if they were involved in trafficking and sexually abusing underage children, then the only thing preventing the Dems from producing them would be mutually assured destruction. That or they had nothing. 

    There’s no reason to not release the information involved, supposing it’s not being used for active investigation for some reason, if it was just Epstein abusing the children. I suspect there’s a lot of powerful people involved, and no one wants to open Pandora’s box. 

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  22. Meh, the Dems had the chance to release this information quite recently and declined. Either tons of pols, celebs and other powerbrokers came to party at his island and only Epstein diddled the minors, or they’re all involved and no one wants to open Pandora’s box. Probably the latter which is why it’s unlikely we’ll never know what happened. 

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  23. 9 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

    The survivor said he heard the engine(s) rev up before impact.  Could that have been the APU, or would there have been enough time to switch the fuel back on, relight the engines, and start generating RPMs?  The whole flight lasted 32 seconds.

    The motors will relight pretty quickly if they’re already spinning and fuel is added. It takes a while for the APU on most planes to get up to speed. 60 seconds on an Airbus for example. 

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