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Can we talk about Alabama and Michigan and objectivity?
BluTechsan replied to BluTechsan's topic in Football
Pre-season polls aren’t going away and I agree that they have to start somewhere. I don’t like pre-season pols polls because pollsters and voters are too afraid to admit to being wrong. I just wish people were willing to completely scratch it after week 1’s results come in. FSU beat Bama. We don’t need to know anything about the past or the future. At that point in time - FSU is better and they should remain that way in the polls until other games say otherwise. How FSU compares to other teams is subjective and debatable. But their position relative to Bama was settled on the field. A&M should not be able to claim a Top8 win if they beat ND this week. ND has played 1 game. They lost. They are not Top8. At least the metrics in the data base you reference has ND at 25 -
Can we talk about Alabama and Michigan and objectivity?
BluTechsan replied to BluTechsan's topic in Football
I like the attempt at “current results” but it’s obviously broken No need to further evaluate beyond Bama and FSU -
Can we talk about Alabama and Michigan and objectivity?
BluTechsan replied to BluTechsan's topic in Football
This. I said this wasn’t about Texas Tech but I think in a small way - or in a loud in your face proclamation - it’s a message to Cody Campbell The message being: “We still run the show and just to prove it, we won’t use some little upstart peon, we’ll tell a few of our national brands to sit this one out” -
Can we talk about Alabama and Michigan and objectivity?
BluTechsan replied to BluTechsan's topic in Football
Texas Tech hasn’t done jack squat !!! Texas Tech is not getting shafted by the polls. But the last sentence in the quote cuts to the heart of the matter. The pollster think so highly of what Norte Dame is gonna do in the future they ignore ND’s now - which is a loss Likewise, they think so poorly of Mich and Bama’s future they are ignoring OU and FSU’s now - which are two wins We are used to non helmet schools getting this treatment. To see it happening to 4 helmet schools is something new altogether and it’s completely blowing up any pretense and narratives about history, culture, and tradition and is boldly and blatantly proclaiming F all y’all - we decide who we want in our little game and there’s nothing you can do about it. -
Can we talk about Alabama and Michigan and objectivity?
BluTechsan replied to BluTechsan's topic in Football
Yes I’ve mentioned some teams that fit that description. But The thread title is Bama and Michigan regarding their losses to FSU and OU. I’ve been waiting for that response. This place always delivers. -
Can we talk about Alabama and Michigan and objectivity?
BluTechsan replied to BluTechsan's topic in Football
Wow! If you’ve mis-read me that poorly and every one else has done so likewise the I do deserve all the shit I’m getting for this thread as I obviously cannot articulate an opinion. My belief and reason for the thread is that I do NOT think FSU and OU are getting enough credit for those wins. And I’m asking why not? What have the teams ranked ahead of them done the past two weeks that is is better? Nothing really save for a few exceptions (tOSU, LSU, Miami) The answer? Because those teams all had better starting positions. Nothing more. Nothing less. Look, the question wasn’t why aren’t Miss St and S Florida getting more love for beating ASU and Florida It was why aren’t flipping bluebloods FSU and OU getting more props for beating bluebloods Bama and Michigan? It’s confusing because come playoff time there’ll be a whole lot of talk about the gauntlets teams face in the BIG and SEC -
Can we talk about Alabama and Michigan and objectivity?
BluTechsan replied to BluTechsan's topic in Football
Thank you for that response. And you’ve swerved into a data point that I believe should matter not one bit - history and prior seasons - if there HAS to be a pre-season poll then yes you need something to hang your hat on. But once the first ball is kicked, new data should replace the old. And wins should matter. Losses too, but only when compared to other losses. ND at 0-1 and still Top10? They gotta earn that back. Other teams also scheduled tough ranked opponents - and won. They deserve to be rewarded for those wins! -
Can we talk about Alabama and Michigan and objectivity?
BluTechsan replied to BluTechsan's topic in Football
I’m laughing at the responses. But seriously, of course yell, fight, scream, politic on hold biases on behalf of our teams but can we not also promote a little objectivity when evaluating the overall landscape of the sport. Why play the games if outcomes don’t matter? The never ending realignment discussions are always heavily focused on the BIG and the SEC and are told that football just means more in those leagues yet here we sit with FSU and OU virtually getting no credit whatsoever for victories over two of the bluest Blue Bloods on the map. I really don’t understand it. -
I know that as a Tech fan on a Texas board, I’m a guest and should act accordingly. But we are all CFB fan tho, right? I saw a comment in the MICH/OU thread about Michigan being overrated and were the face for all that it wrong with pre-season polls. I disagree about Michigan being the best example for why but I could not agree more about the fallacy of the early polls. And that’s why I’m commenting here and not there because I don’t want it to be only about that game. I believe the Longhorns will very much be in the mix at the end of the season and I’m not singling them out - in fact, ND is right there with them - top10 teams with losses to top10 teams but ranked ahead of 2-0 teams with WINS over ranked teams Thus my thread title: When did wins over Alabama and Michigan stop mattering ???? What has Penn St, Oregon, Georgia, Texas, ND, or Illinois done that is anywhere close to beating Alabama, Michigan, or Florida(and Boise) Heck, even Mississippi St’s win over ASU is more impressive. Iowa St has a non-con P4 win and a 3-0 record. Cupcake this, schedule that - who have those 6 “Top10” teams beat??? It’s always stated that it all works out by the end of the season. But does it? Why does “settle it on the field” only matter during the playoffs? Yes, I pull for Texas Tech. No, I’m not here to beat their drumb as they haven’t done jack squat either!
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Neither Morton nor Hammond are elite QBs 10-2 is the ceiling 9-3 most likely. 8-4 a real possibility @Utah, BYU, @ASU, KU will all be huge challenges
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Wow!! That is not good football by MSU - that’s a gift - pure and simple That was flat out HORRIBLE D
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Dumb play calling there at the goal line to not roll out the QB at least once
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What sort of BS is that How exactly do they still have a time out left?
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This is the SECSECSEC - shouldn’t there be a billion camera angles for this review?
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Sun Devils Oline getting punked by only 3 DL
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