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  1. 2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

    I'm having a hard time buying the below mattering - there are a myriad of ways they can get that cheap oil, and Beijing isn't going to give it up - Iran could serve as a proxy. Also, this says "seaborne" and nothing about pipelines, of which I'd guess China has a lot of.

    If China reduces purchases in a huge way (not just "seaborne" but pipelines), then I'd feel like it means they know shit is going down and either they want to contribute to the post-Putin chaos, or they feel like they can wait and get a better deal when the dust dies down.

     

    2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

    If Ukraine could only hit those pipelines. 

    58 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

    Ukraine might not want to fuck with pipelines feeding China.  Let China figure out on their own what to do.

    57 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

    Nah, blow that fucker up. End it. So they only have seaborne. 

    Relax, guys, I already took care of it for you.

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    The reality is, how many significant oil pipelines exist between Russia and China? 

    "Doughnut, babe. Nothing. Zip. Zilch." - Hunt Stevenson (Michael Keaton) in Gung Ho

    The waterborne crude oil exports from Russia to China is all there is.

    TLDR

    However, there is one major gas pipeline between the Bear and the Dragon, the Power of Siberia 1 Pipeline. This $55 Billion project, commissioned in 2021, included the 56" diameter, 1,860 mile pipeline from Kovykta Gas field in the Irkutsk Oblast (aren't you glad you played Risk?) to the China Border. I did check; there is a 9,500 ft mountain range they went around.

    The Kovykta Gas Field is over 1,200 miles southeast of the Urengoy Gas Field in Siberia that supplies used to supply Eastern Europe, via a 2,800 mile pipeline. 

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    The good news is the natural gas produced here is the really good stuff, that contains helium and is rich in Natural Gas Liquids.

    A Gas Processing Plant requires a cryogenic plant operating at ~ -170 °F to separate the NGLs.. 

    Helium processing is way out of my comfort zone...

    "Helium extraction plant uses cryogenic distillation to reach temperatures as low as -269°C (-452°F), just a few degrees above absolute zero. These extreme temperatures are necessary to separate helium from the other gases found in natural gas because helium has the lowest boiling point of any element. "

    The really bad news is the economies of scale you need to monetize the resource is mind boggling, and it is conveniently located literally in the middle of fucking nowhere, in an area with design conditions of -60 ℉, and a freeze depth of 13 ft. 

    The Total "Power of Siberia Costs" included:

    Gas Production Facilities        $  6.16    Billion
    Gas Pipeline                             $15.07     Billion
    Power Plant (160 MW)            $ 8.47?   Billion
    Gas Plant                                  $13.70    Billion
    Chemical Plant                         $11.60    Billion
                                                      $55.00    Billion

    The overall projecticludes the entire vertical integration of natural gas processing; Natural gas Production to Pipelineto Gas Processing Plant to NGL fractionation Plant to Ethylene Plant (cracking ethane to make ethylene and cracking propane to make propylene) to Polyethylene/polyPropylene Plant (plastic pellets). Everything you need to get from raw natural gas to plastic pellets that become everything plastic that is "Made in China." 

    For a processing guy, it doesn't get any better than this.  It is truly amazing that Russian can build something like this, yet they  invade Ukraine so they can take the toilets.

    Some Russian Gas Processing Porn;

    The first column of NGL/NRU unit Natural Gas Liquid/Nitrogen Rejection Unit) in the P1 section of Amur Gas Processing Plant was officially put into operation on May 1st, 2021.

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    By far, the largest process vessel I have ever seen.

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  2. 52 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:


    The Ryazan one is burning pretty nicely.

    Also, "Ukraine put together a kinetic sanctions package"

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    The Ryazan Oil Refinery (RNPK, part of Rosneft) was attacked last night. This is was the #3/4 largest refinery in Russia, with a stated capacity of ~340,000 BPD, and had been operating at ~250,000 the past year.

    The fire broke out near the catalytic cracking or hydrotreating unit...

    Actual processing in recent years has been around 12-13 million tons per year. In August, following drone strikes, the plant temporarily reduced production capacity (temporarily operating with one large unit—approximately half its capacity). Today, it may have been finished off!

    This marks at least the third Ukrainian strike on the Ryazan refinery since August. On Aug. 2, the plant reportedly shut down two of its three primary refining units after an attack, and on Sept. 5, one more unit was taken offline, according to Reuters sources.

     

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  3. On 10/21/2025 at 10:26 AM, Brisketexan said:

    A smart man doesn't limits his options.

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    5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

    @PTINS holy shit video of them hitting a tower of some sort at a refinery in broad daylight 

     

     

    The Makhachkala Refinery is located on the Caspian Sea, which is landlocked, and looks to be primarily for making fuel and loading  the Caspian waterborne traffic, like a big gas station. The capacity is ~ 20,000 BPD, well below the top 25 refineries over 100,000 BPD, averaging ~ 220,000 BPD. (I didn't know it even existed.)

    However, it is unique in being situated on the Caspian; there does not appear to be any similar facility on the Caspian anywhere else, including Russia and Iran. If Makhachkata is offline, the gas station is closed, and you'll have to find your products elsewhere.

    Iran was probably getting refined oil products from Russia, but those may have been been curtailed in recent months. Not sure what else Russia can give to Iran that has any value (food?), or that Russia doesn't need (weapons). They damn sure don't need crude oil. 

    It is noteworthy that Ukraine is getting towards the bottom of the list for refinery targets. It has to be comforting to shoot at targets with a heat signature that can be seen from space. 

    2 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

    The refinery I'm at uses power generated offsite. We have boilers to produce our own steam.

    Most of the refineries and almost all of the gas plants I've been to were in remote locations, as stand alone facilities. 

    Most US gas processing plants migrated to purchase power to facilitate environmental permitting and compliance with regulations,  and limiting their emissions as much as practical.

    If you don't mind, where is your facility? No company name, please.

     

     

     

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  4. 9 hours ago, DaysOff said:


    Fred was rarely in a 3rd and 13.

    Fred had me when he talked about playing OU; "They better have their head gear strapped on tight!'"

    4 hours ago, UTEE97 said:

    Arch can be a fast runner if he wants to. Since the OL is not maintaining a clean pocket, I feel like taking Arch out of the pocket and making the defense have to pick their poison between Arch, the runner, and Niblett just might work. I don't mean this as our go-to play but perhaps sprinkle it in from time to time when we need short yardage for a first down. We don't seem to have a short yardage 3rd down play in our playbook right now.

     I think this needs to be the staple of the offense, to get Arch in motion, by design, and away from a "pocket" that looks more like a jail break. I would think in HS he threw on the run a lot and is more comfortable when he's moving, by choice.

  5. 2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

    Or it could be that they've so thoroughly depleted Russian air defenses (and or Paranoid Putin has pulled them all back to Moscow and St. Petersburg) that they feel like they can fly them in daytime (and most likely be more accurate).

    Meanwhile, 

     

     

    47 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

    If you hit the power plants, they won't have the electricity to run the refineries.

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      The Smolensk Nuclear Power Plant is the biggest power generating station in the north-western region of the united energy system of Russia. Smolensk NPP has an outer appearance similar to that of Chernobyl NPP units 3-4, as both are later generation RBMKs. (Hint: Smolensk does not have a Sarcophagus over one of the reactors.)

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    The three RBMK-1000 reactors of Smolensk NPP were commissioned in 1982-1990 (First Criticality for each unit Unit 1: September 10, 1982; Unit 2: April 9, 1985; Unit 3: December 29, 1989, with grid connection shortly thereafter).[4]

    The reactors of Smolensk NPP are the improved versions of RBMK with a number of innovative safety systems

    As you would expect, there is a very large substation near the plant, less than 1/2 mile from the reactor buildings, separated by a water canal. 

    Ukraine looks like they are dialed in to the point they can hit specific towers.  But Ukraine needs to stay the fuck away from the nukes!!!  I know I joked about "Aim small. miss small" and "This man can hit us any time he wants", but damn.

    Zelensky showing off his big brass balls to "the Donald."

    Hmmm? Is that why Trump doesn't like Zelensky? Trump can't take Zelensky balls deep like he can Putin.

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    FYI, most refineries generate their own power for a couple of reasons; they need the low pressure steam and waste heat in the process areas to heat the bottom of the towers, and more important, generated power is more reliable than purchased power. 

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  6. New favorite video: (notice how high the flames get before there is any sign of black smoke (incomplete combustion))

    Rosneft Novokuybishev Refinery

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    "Circular error probability zero. Impact with high-order detonation. Have a nice day."

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    Very Good article, worth the time: Inside Ukraine's drone campaign to blitz Russia’s energy industry

    "You don’t have the cards,” Donald Trump famously told Volodymyr Zelenskiy during their Oval Office showdown in February as he dismissed Ukraine’s capabilities in the war against Russia.

    As the two leaders prepare to meet in the White House again, Ukraine’s military remains on the back foot — but it has shown it has at least one potent play to hit the enemy where it hurts: long-range drone strikes on Russia’s crucial energy industry.

    Last month, Zelenskiy described the attacks on the oil sector, which funds and fuels Moscow’s war effort, as “the sanctions that work the fastest”.

    Ukraine has launched at least 58 attacks on key Russian energy sites since the start of August, sending drones as far as about 2,000 km (1,200 miles) into Russian territory to bomb refineries, pumping stations, storage depots and export terminals, according to data compiled by UK-based non-profit group Open Source Centre (OSC).

    Drone strikes at various refineries knocked out around 17% of Russia’s refining capacity in mid-August, or 1.2 million barrels per day, which rose to 21%, or 1.4 million barrels per day, by the end of that month, according to Reuters calculations."

    Reuter's is saying 1.4 million BPD by the end of August. I would think it is ~ 30% by now, ~ 2 MM BPD.

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  7. 25 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

    Trump desperately wants to be seen as a winner and only associate with winners, so he’s angry at Zelenskyy because the whole thing confuses him.

    Ukraine has a strategy that Trump actually understands - Trump understands people waiting in line for gas, Russia not being able to sell gas, and Russia can’t stop it.

    22 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    Bolded part for key truth.  He has no real understanding of what's actually happening.  His instinct is to side with the "bigger" bully, because that's what HE is, to his core.  And he just doesn't get it when David stands up and slays Goliath.  It doesn't compute.

    I believe that Trump has crossed into the zone formerly occupied by Biden in the last few months of his presidency.

    Ukraine needs to keep doing what they have done the past few months.  

    5 hours ago, Bevo said:

    No, I do not. 

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  8. 15 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

    @PTINS don’t know if this a new thing but Ukraine apparently trying to finish off fuel depots and the like hence the second and third strikes.   
     

     

    Thanks for the post. We were both writing at the same time!

    I went back this morning and looked at the recent Ukraine targets. Refineries, pump stations and oil terminals, ammunition plants and storage depots, power plants and electrical substations, critical manufacturing plants (some single source) in the supply chain. 

    The cumulative effect on the Russian supply chain, economy and the capacity to make war has to be staggering. Plotting these on a map, and it's like ...

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    Tomahawks cruise missiles would be a nice add, but Ukraine is fucking dunking on Russia every time they get the ball. 

    Part of me says keep it up and fucking kick their ass back to the 19th century. The sad reality is that Russia will attack schools, hospitals and apartment buildings until somebody makes them stop.

    When this ends, the free world will be standing in line to help rebuild Ukraine, with nobody willing to walk across the street to piss on a Russian fire. 

    Maybe a massive shower of cruise missiles would do the trick. 

      

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  9. On 10/15/2025 at 12:14 AM, PTINS said:

    My screenshot; Red icons and the Red polygon in the middle are pre October strikes.  The Red icons within the Blue polygon were the Oct 6 strikes. The Blue polygon is from the FIRMS shot in the quoted post. It appears they hit everything on the easy side of the terminal, including the rail loading/unloading facilities.

    I believe Ukraine has chosen not to target the 3 large tanks on the west side of the property, because they are large, and very close to civilian infrastructure adjacent to the terminal.

    Should have called me. I put out a diesel fire, at fire school, in a 6'x6' pan ~ 6 " deep, with a dry powder extinguisher. 

    The protocol w/ oil & gas fires, cut off the fuel source, control the fire, and then assess. your options. Burning gas (vapor, natural gas, not gasoline) in a controlled environment is preferable to a large gas plume continuing to vent and grow, looking for an ignition source, that vaporizes everything within the plume. Most big gas fires, like the one next to Walmart in Pasadena, you isolate the fire and let it burn itself out.

    Most liquid fires, try to put out the fire, and clean up the mess.

    From the FIRMS data, it appears that most of the facility is burning, which probably includes the fire water system, is compromised and/or to hot to get access to.  

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    Updated photo of Feodosia Terminal, Crimea

    Orange - Attacks prior to August 2025

    Red - Attacks last week (early October)

    Blue - Attacks this week

     

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    Satellite Photo

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    I think Ukraine is dragging their 'nads showing their capabilities of the systematic destruction of Russian infrastructure.

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    "Satellite images confirm 11 fuel tanks destroyed at Crimean oil terminal after Ukrainian strikes
    A key fuel supply hub for Russian forces in Crimea has lost 11 storage tanks to Ukrainian strikes this month, with several more tanks unlikely to be restored to operation.

    by Maria Tril, 18/10/2025

    Radio Liberty's Russian service has released satellite imagery documenting extensive damage to the oil depot in Feodosia, occupied Crimea, following Ukrainian strikes on the facility.

    Ukraine's drone strikes focus on Russian military airbases, manufacturing facilities, oil refineries, and energy infrastructure. According to military analysts, these operations aim to disrupt Russia's fuel supplies and inflict economic pressure. Attacks on oil refineries have hit approximately 38-40% of Russia's refining capacity, damaging production of gasoline, diesel, and aviation fuel, which has led to shortages and price increases within Russia.

    The images show 11 fuel storage tanks completely destroyed as a result of Ukrainian attacks on the site, according to Radio Liberty. Several other damaged tanks are unlikely to be recoverable.

    Ukrainian forces struck the Marine Oil Terminal facilities in Feodosia on 6 October. The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine described it as "a multifunctional technological complex for transshipment of oil and petroleum products from railway tank cars to sea vessels and back, as well as to road transport, which is involved in supplying the occupying army of the Russian Federation."

    The massive fire that erupted following the Ukrainian strike could not be extinguished for more than two days, Radio Liberty reports.

    On 13 October, Ukrainian military forces struck the Feodosia oil depot again.

    The result of two Ukrainian strikes on 7 October and 13 – 11 completely destroyed fuel tanks, several damaged and unlikely to be recoverable, according to the reports.

    The first Ukrainian strike on the oil terminal in October 2024 destroyed or fatally damaged 14 tanks at the hub that supplied fuel and lubricants to the Russian army in occupied Crimea. A Pantsir air defense system installed at the refinery in 2022 failed to prevent any of the three Ukrainian attacks."

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  10. 3 hours ago, Shaddie said:

    Look. That 93.6 is “could”. Physically. 
    Of that 93.6, 100% would. 
    You’re here because you’re a miscreant, scum dog, loser or crazy. Sure most of us act “normal” to our loved ones, co-workers and in general but being here means you’re not “normal”. 

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  11. 6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

    Uh-oh... An explosion in Peresvet, Moscow Region, is being officially described as a “test” at the Rocket and Space Industry Research Center. However, reports indicate the release of highly toxic Heptyl rocket fuel. It's unclear whether this was a controlled trial or a failed launch.

     

    "AI Overview
    The Rocket and Space Industry Research Center in Peresvet is the Scientific and Testing Center of the Rocket and Space Industry (NITs RKP), a key facility for Russia's space corporation, Roscosmos. 

     

    Key facts about the center:

    Purpose: The facility is a critical hub for the testing and validation of Russian rocket engines, propulsion systems, and spacecraft before launch.

    History: The test center was established after a 1948 government decree ordered the construction of a rocket test station. It was built in a wooded area with deep ravines, which provided a natural flame trench for testing rocket engines.

    Past projects: The facility was used for testing major components of the new Angara rocket family in the late 2000s, including test firings of the URM-1 rocket booster."

    "The Federal State Unitary Enterprise Scientific Research Center of the Russian Space Agency (FKP NIC RKP) reports a release of Heptyl, an extremely toxic and poisonous rocket fuel."

    I found this picture on Google Earth:  That's a big  mo-fo. 

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    Accident or Intentional? 

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  12. 3 hours ago, blacklab said:

    In some places they produce steam that is piped around the city for heat.

    Steam->Heat is more efficient than steam->turbine->electricity->wire->heater

    The US Navy seems to like doing this on bases as well.

    3 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

    Yes, and smaller microgrids to augment specific sections of bases. Army is doing it as well. 

    Thanks guys. I forgot I already knew this.

    One of earliest memories as a toddler/youngling was touching a radiator in an Air Force hospital. Only happened once.

    3 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

    Does anyone know what facility(s) process Ivan’s aviation fuel?  

    I imagine every refinery has a distillation column similar to this.  Additional columns may include operating at a vacuum to enhance separation, or use a catalyst or extreme heat to "crack" the long chain heavy hydrocarbons into lighter, short chain hydrocarbons. 

    A refinery will make 100+ gallons of products from 100 gallons of crude oil.

    In simple terms, jet fuel is a combination of gasoline and kerosine and other substances.

    Refining 101 - Distillation

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    "Much like a simple still, in a distillation column, liquid is heated to a vapor and lifted upward to be distilled again into separate substances. This is the beginning of the refining process. Distilling exploits the characteristic of the chemicals in crude oil to boil at different temperatures.

    Unlike a still, a distilling column contains a set of trays that allow heated vapors to rise and collect at different levels, separating out the various liquids derived from crude oil. The top of the column is cooler than the bottom, so as liquids vaporize and rise, they condense again, collecting onto their respective trays.  

    Butane and other light products rise to the top of the column, while straight-run gasoline, naphtha, kerosene, diesel, and heavy gas oil gather on the trays, leaving straight run residue at the base of the column. Liquids are considered “heavy” or “light” based on their specific gravity, which is determined based on its weight and density compared to that of water. "

    The bottom of the barrel really is the bottom of the barrel.

    2 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

    Doesn't this seem like a lot of inside information really quickly?  Does that strike anyone else as odd?  

    Why would they want to drag their balls across Russia's face with this, unless all this was compromised already?  

     

    FIFY

    Like anything you read, there is some fiction based on fact. You decide how much of which is which.

    Using an orbiting satellite to identify a specific weld  in a large processing plant "for weakness" is Bruce Willis level kind of fiction. (99.9% of welds in a process plant are stronger than the pipes that are welded together, because they are thicker than the pipes.)

    Now Russian steel might include melted fenders and hood ornaments, so ... 

    59 minutes ago, choripan said:

    Steam systems are common in the States, too, at least in cities in which I've lived. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_steam_system and https://detroitthermal.com/.

     

    In a large power plant or smaller gas plants & NGL fractionation plants that make steam, you will probably have and/or use different levels of steam;

    ~1,800 PSI (#) steam - to drive a very large turbine-generator sets (~ 10,000+ HP?)

    600 # steam - to drive smaller pumps and equipment

    80 # steam -  the heat medium for heating the process towers

    Low level steam  - auxiliary heating for buildings, etc.

    The resulting low level steam that is not used in all of the above (condensate) is condensed from steam back to water by using cooling water and/or cooling towers.  The less you have to do this, the higher the plant efficiency. That is why nuclear and other large power plants are near oceans, rivers and lakes.

    As a young District Engineer in the 80's, I got one of my plants licensed as a FERC certified co-generation plant, that had a 90+ % thermal efficiency (~ 93% ?).

    The water used to make steam is cleaner and purer than distilled water.

    It is normal for smaller steam turbines to go 10+ years without having to open the case to inspect it. The large turbines are inspected on a more frequent basis as a precautionary measure.

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  13. On 10/5/2025 at 7:50 PM, atomheartbevo said:

    Episode 7 Wow GIF by Wrexham AFC

    Ukraine doing work tonight, multiple power plants inside of Russia, one of the largest fuel depots in Crimea, air base in Crimea.

    This is the second thermal power plant - Klintsy

    This is the first - Luch Thermal Power Plant

     

     

    Why does Russia call them "Thermal Power Plants"? Do they also generate electricity by freezing things?

    I must of missed forgot most of those lectures.  I remember as you approach Absolute Zero, theoretically the coldest possible temperature, molecular motion essentially stops and a system reaches its lowest energy state. Kind of how I felt after watching the Florida game.

    The Klintsy Power Plant is actually in Bryansk Oblast, not Belgorod Oblast. Bryansk is adjacent to Ukraine and Belarus, further to the northwest.

    The Belgorod "Luch substation" includes a smallish gas fired power plant, along with the necessary electrical switchgear to connect to the grid.  This would be the definition of a surgical strike in the middle of the city. Somebody had good intel to know the places where to hit them that would black-out the whole city, or they got lucky.

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    Belgorod is kind of the logistics hub of the wagon wheel for Russia fucking around with Kharkiv and supplying Luhansk and  Donetsk.  The more damage Ukraine causes in Belgorod, the better.

     

    16 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

    This is better than any thing I've seen elsewhere on the subject.

    Crazy that 3 of the top 4 refineries have been hit multiple times - where air defense at?

    Hey @PTINS 2,000 miles from the Ukrainian border

     

    Thanks!

    Atomheartbevo, you get the Gold Star.

    My earlier posts were not 100% accurate. The Socar Antipinsky Refinery near Tyumen, actually had in accident in January 2022, before Russia invaded Ukraine. As it was prewar, is was a big "who cares?" It is the icon on the screenshot below, about halfway of the red line.

    Shit happens fast around here.

    9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

    Can’t believe Su-25s are still around.  
     

     

    That's a bad ass paint job on the helmet.

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    3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

     

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    3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:


    The fire at the Feodosia oil depot, struck by Ukrainian drones on the night of October 6, remains active. Flames have spread to additional storage tanks, with four large ones now at risk. Tanks marked in red were hit in previous strikes, while those in yellow are threatened as the fire risks spreading to two more.

    The tanks in yellow in the post above are what is burning now.

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    Nausea, Headaches and Coughing: Locals Complain Amid Crimean Oil Refinery Fire Caused By Ukrainian Strike

    A major fire at an oil refinery [terminal/depot] n Russian-annexed Crimea has sparked complaints from local residents, raising concerns over safety and environmental impact. Kyiv's forces reported a “successful strike” on an offshore oil terminal near the Black Sea port town of Feodosia on Monday, sparking a fire that prompted local authorities to evacuate over 1,100 people.

    But while local officials claimed that “no harmful substances were detected in repeated air samples,” residents continue to complain about air quality.
    “Nausea, headaches, coughing in the morning — was that all just a dream? Only the rain helped us today,
    ” Irina Kapeka, a resident of Feodosia, posted on Thursday in the local VKontakte group Podslushano Feodosia, referring to the authorities' assurances that the air was safe to breathe.
    Another woman, Inna Radchenko, commented on VKontakte: “It’s strange they [the authorities] haven’t declared this air to be beneficial.

    The town has implemented a municipal-level state of emergency. As of Wednesday, traffic around the oil depot was restricted, with vehicles being diverted to alternate routes, the state-run RIA Novosti news agency said. 

    3 hours ago, Parliament said:

    So what percent of Russia's refinery capacity is within Ukrainian range?  How many drones and missiles would it take to visit ALL of those refinerles?

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     I'm glad I played Risk. Russia is fucking Huge?Screenshot of Russian refineries, 21 have been hit (orange) and 3 have not been hit (yellow), yet.
     

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     The red line is 2,700 miles, about the distance from Los Angeles to New York, or from Ukraine to the Rosneft Angarsk Refinery, north of central Mongolia. My guess is Ukraine smuggled troops and drones into eastern Russia and attacked from there, their "Doolittle '30 seconds over Tokyo' Raid."

    There was a story on the Kerch Bridge attack after it happened; Ukraine routing a truck with fake manifests, full of explosives, through multiple countries, timed to be on the bridge at the same time as a Unit Train of oil tank cars, and boom! 

    The combination of Ukraine targeting and hitting specific process towers within the refinery, and the lack of Russian air defences proximate to the refineries, my guess is it would not take that many drones and missiles to cripple the motor fuel capabilities.   

    I mean this in the nicest possible way, but Ukraine has flipped the switch ... destroying the invaders capacity to make war.

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    The Blue and Yellow in kind of symbolic, don't you think?

    Ukraine has been very deliberate, and systematic in their approach to attacking refineries the past few months.  I really enjoy seeing smart people thinking, and analyzing, and extrapolating outcomes, before they do something.

    Ukraine's ingenuity has been pegging the meter for a long time.

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  14. On 9/26/2025 at 4:24 PM, Park Gothic said:

    459-2222 vastly superior (jingle and pizza)

    Late to the party, and nowhere else to post this.

    There used to be listing in the Austin phone book in the 70's for "Henador Titzoff", which actually was the number for a Sorority House.

    Henador Titzoff = He gnawed her tits off.
     

    On 9/26/2025 at 9:03 PM, Bevo said:

    Jorge’s Matt’s Huts Eastside Shady Grove mad dog Mexican food restaurant before Stubbs. County line Hyatt (brought fajitas to central Texas) chuys magnolia catfish parlor Kirby lane steak place across from Halls (gay bar) threadgills Louis on the lake Katz Deli Trudys used to be good and a lot more - not bad for a city with 1/10th the population of today.

    "... brought fajita's to central Texas?" I beg to differ. 

    My dad's family was from Manor, raised crops and animals, brought fresh food to the Guajardo store in Austin, Paw-paw had a bar at 3rd & Congress, El Galindo (chips) was dad's uncle. 
     

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    Austin food; Schlotzky's - "There is no substitute-skys"  Shakey's Pizza, before Mr. Gattis, Bergstrom AFB Bowling Alley hamburgers, Del Valle schools (subsidized by BAFB), fresh cinnamon rolls in the morning, The Jet Drive-in, Saigon egg rolls on the Drag, Cisco's breakfast, The Stallion, T-Bones & Peach Cobbler at Texas Tumbleweed on 2222, Coupland Inn used to have all-you-can-eat-BBQ, Casita Jorge's margaritas before a game, The Bucket $.15/beers, Armadillo nachos, Les Amis.

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  15. On 9/26/2025 at 8:55 AM, Parliament said:

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    What has been the turning point?  Is it as simple as Ukraine being able to doggedly wear down Russian infrastructure?  They've been barely able to take out assets barely faster than Russia can replace?  Do that for 2.5 years (!) and you achieve superiority?

    A: Ukraine took the gloves off.

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    On 9/26/2025 at 4:50 PM, Schulz2.0 said:

    It's not even safe to take a dump anymore.

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    On 9/27/2025 at 4:46 PM, atomheartbevo said:

    Another one for @PTINS this time on the other side of Moscow, affecting western Russia. If officials admit to “minor damage” and that pumping operations were suspended, that probably means it’s out of commission for a while.

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    ^^^^ not my numbers, somebody else posted them

    Similar to Refineries, what exactly Ukraine damaged is important, and very difficult to tell.

    Refineries >> Pipelines >> Compressor & Pump Stations >> Storage Tanks.

    The pipelines themselves are buried, and in the pump & compressor stations, most of the lines are buried, so it is difficult to know what was damaged without an idea what was there to begin with.

    Fluids move through pipes like a water hose, high pressure at one end, low pressure on the other.  To fully utilize a long haul pipeline, you add booster stations along the pipeline to boost the pressures and increase the capacity.

    Gas is compressible, and a compressor is used to increase the pressure in the pipe. Liquids are not compressible, and a pump is used to increase the pressure in the pipeline. The functions between the two are similar in that both pipelines have friction losses (pressure drops), but the mechanics are very different. "Hydraulics" for the lay person, "Fluid Mechanics" for the enlightened ones. 

    The Urengoy Pipeline transports gas from Siberia to Ukraine to Slovakia, some 2800 miles, with 42 compressor stations along the way. They are spaced 60-80 miles apart, depending on the topography, among other things. Blowing up the pipeline is more damaging than blowing up a single booster station. When Ukraine "invaded" Russia earlier this year (last year?), they damaged a gas measurement facility on this pipeline, which caused a bigger accounting issue than an operational one.

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    The pipeline itself has a maximum operating pressure, and the higher the pressure, the higher the volumes moved (throughput).  A single midpoint booster station (pumps or compressors) basically doubles the throughput of a pipeline, by increasing the pressure to offset the pressure drop.

    With the multiple booster stations on a pipeline, you end up with a "saw tooth" pressure profile along the pipeline, with each station boosting the pressure to set point, (MAOP).

    In the diagram below, with only Station "A" at the beginning of the pipeline, the volumes transported to the Terminal are "X".  Adding a midpoint booster at Station "C" would increase the throughput to "2X".  Adding Stations "B", "C" and "D" would would increase the throughput to "4X". Any capacity reduction at any one station could be minimized by changing the operating conditions at the stations before and after the affected station, with a minimal decrease in the throughput. Most of Russia's pipelines are operating at much lower volumes due to sanctions, so any longer term interruptions from any one station would be minimal.
     

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    If the mainlines were also damaged at a station, that is a much different scenario. 

    Large diameter pipeline explosions make nice pictures. A huge fireball that goes full throttle until the pipeline fuel is consumed, with the dynamic effect similar to a large jet engine on afterburner, with a 50 mile long mile tank feeding it. 
      

    Urengoy Pipeline Explosion

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    18 hours ago, Bevo said:

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    Careful, you could put an eye out if you get too close.

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    Crazy eyes. Let me get on, and turn her loose. I can last for 8 seconds. Oh, wait.

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  16. 3 hours ago, flatdawgs said:

    Hey @PTINS - I just wanted to thank you for sharing the depth of your knowledge in a way that makes sense to O&G laypeople. It really adds to my understanding of what Ukraine is trying to do and why it is (or isn't) effective. Stuff like this continues to make this the best thread on the board and it's much appreciated. 

    Most welcome.

    I was hired into a Management Development Program to find engineers that could run a company that was 100 years old, in 1975. It was all about training and development. My tangent was facilities planning and commercial development. 

    Believe it or not, the opportunity to share information about O&G to some sweet thing you come across doesn't happen as often as you would think.

    When it does, don't.  

    I learned that right out of the gate. I graduated 3 months after 3 Mile Island and at the start of Iranian Revolution, and went to work for a regulated piece of the oil industry that was in danger of making too much money. They damn sure weren't going to stop making it. Hard for a new hire to justify the 300% bump in gasoline prices while I'm buying you drinks.  "You don't save the company money on your expense account, you save them money by doing a good job."

    Jack Issel: Exactly what is our side of the Allenville story?
    Max Landsberger: Were losing money hand over fist.
    Jack Issel: That's not true.
    Max Landsberger: No, but it's our side of the story. Lesson No.55: there are no truths, only stories.

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     I did find a better line.  "I've got coc..." 

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