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TKthunder2

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  1. They would likely sue ESPN/SEC/FSU for broadcasting rights they didn’t own. Also ACC in based out of NC so I assume they’d file in court there. But yes that’s the thing I’ve always wondered about the GOR, how do you enforce them on a State entity?
  2. Not certain, you can argue anything but if the contract language is air tight then the reasoning doesn’t really matter. That being said, I’ve always thought GORs weren’t as iron clad when you’re dealing with public institutions as they are with private institutions or individuals. Not sure about FSU but I always assumed Texas had massive leverage as they could have theoretically just walked away from the Big 12 and claimed sovereign immunity if they tried to sue. The fact that we didn’t play that card publicly either means we did so only privately and didn’t want to rock the boat in the state since other Texas institutions were involved, or we were concerned about setting that precedent for future partnerships. Still if Texas was facing a budget gap like FSU is, I’d think they use it pretty quickly.
  3. FSU could go Big Ten which add another layer, but yes ESPN could be on both side of the transaction. Let’s say FSU is worth $60 million/yr ESPN could theoretically facilitate moving them from the ACC to the SEC and negotiate down the ACC’s deal and up the SEC’s deal so that they don’t lose money. But the ACC would be losing that $60 million much of which went to subsidize Duke/Syracuse/Pitt/whoever so the ACC would take a hit and even if ESPN was good with this, the ACC would have damages.
  4. https://frankthetank.org/2022/07/22/dissolution-is-not-a-solution-to-break-a-grant-of-rights-agreement/ The dissolution angle has been thrown around here (I am guilty of it as well) but according to this guy it’s not that easy.
  5. Yeah seems not super informed. FSU leaves, ESPN sues ACC for breach of contract since they had a GOR. They could settle for a lesser payout and then the ACC could sue FSU for breach of contract for their losses. Using their numbers, FSU leaving would cost the conference $30 million a year (excluding FSU’s share but they could ask for the full 60) then that times 12 year’s remaining on the contract would be $360 million (likely more since TV deals are backloaded and go up each year). This could be doubled if they include FSU’s share to $720 million (but that seems unlikely to hold up). In a worst case scenario, ESPN uses this to cut ties with the ACC altogether (unlikely but not impossible) then FSU could theoretically be on the hook for significantly more damages if they end up having to settle for a subpar TV deal like the PAC12 is looking at. Don’t get me wrong I’d love to see FSU challenge the GOR in court for my own curiosity, but unless they find a loop hole I have a feeling they are stuck.
  6. While true if you assume Texas has aggy as a rival basically you have up to 4 teams (OU, Ark, LSU, ?MSU?) that could possibly have 2 games in the state in a single year that occurs once every 4 years. If someone like Oklahoma or Arkansas have both UT and aggy as rivals they’d get 1 game a year in the state every year. Every “non rival” of UT/aggy gets 1 game in the state every other year which is basically what the SEC West and South Carolina had after aggy joined. The only teams that will get an increased Texas presence are those in the East. Also Oklahoma’s presence in the state, as a result of this move to the SEC will decrease. Currently they had 2-3 games a year in the state, now they be down to 1-2. Arkansas’s presence may also decrease if they don’t get both Texas and aggy as rivals. They’d go from playing aggy in Dallas every year to playing @Texas every other year and @aggy 1 out of every 4 years. Only LSU’s presence in the state will increase slightly assuming they are rivals with aggy but not Texas.
  7. Northwest: WSU, Boise, OSU, Cal, Stanford, Fresno, Hawaii fb/Gonzaga nonfb Southwest: SDSU, UNLV, Colorado St, SMU, Rice, Tulane, Memphis
  8. Just to be crystal fucking clear. The Big 12 (not Texas or Oklahoma) invited cougar high, magic underwear, and whoever else to join this conference EARLY. Any fucking pain in the ass bullshit they are going through is 100% their fucking fault, not Texas or Oklahoma. FOX didn’t want to let Texas/Oklahoma go, maybe you negotiate that shit BEFORE you invite more people to the fucking table. Go cry me a fucking river. Also Texas owns its third tier rights and can do what is pleases because they AGREED TO EQUAL REVENUE SHARING, you know that windfall of money from the checks you’ve been cashing for over a decade.
  9. https://amp.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article272564423.html Pac-12 school president reads K-State message boards for conference realignment talk
  10. The whole #metoo movement. ESPN has already started making a point to include women’s sports in more prominent places like sports center and their scrolling ticker including highlighting “Breaking News”. Converting the LHN to ESPNW would put it on a lower tier (where the LHN currently resides outside of Texas anyways) and would give ESPN something to hold up and show the world that they promote women’s sports just as much as men’s.
  11. Put a few beers in the kid and he’d be a pretty good dancer.
  12. The University has (or had I haven’t kept up in a few years) multiple studios around campus. We’re specifically talking about the LHN studio off I-35 between 32nd & 38th near St David’s. That’s rented space, not University owned so I don’t think UT would try to take that over…but I could be wrong.
  13. Seriously fuck him. The Oklahoma basketball game was on ESPN+ last weekend for fuck’s sake because of this conference’s dumbass TV rights deal and they declined to allow the LHN to carry it. They can fuck all the way off.
  14. UT’s 3rd tier rights will be folded into the SECN just like every other SEC team. There will not be a Longhorn branded network. As to what ESPN will do with the channel, we do not know. Rumors have ranged from it will be converted to another SEC Network like ESPN2 for the Western teams, that it’ll be converted to a Big 12 network to house all the Big 12 3rd tier content currently relegated to ESPN+, or that it’ll be converted to an ESPNW channel to highlight women’s sports. It could also just shut down but that seems wasteful, considering all the work effort ESPN spent to get it up and running and into multiple provider carriage agreements. Rumors also have ESPN keeping/maintaining the LHN studio in Austin simply because there is a ton of creative talent in this town that ESPN can still take advantage of. That being said, with the ever increasing cost of living in Austin, I wouldn’t be shocked if they shut it down.
  15. 4- UF/FSU, UGA/GT, SC/Clem, UK/UL 6- Bama/Aub, OleMiss/MSU, TN/Vandy Remaining 6 -Arkansas, LSU, Mizzou, Texas, Oklahoma, aggy Obvious solution: UT/aggy, LSU/Arkansas, OU/Mizzou but this only works if LSU and Arkansas are rivals (the other matchups will be). If they aren’t rivals then UT/aggy, LSU/OU, Arkansas/Mizzou could work too but again requires LSU/OU to be paired up which seems unlikely. Final option would be LSU/aggy, Texas/Arkansas, OU/Mizzou but would keep Texas/aggy off Thanksgiving weekend which seems poorly planned from a marketing perspective.
  16. Agree completely about hobby identity people (this includes over top top sports fan guy too) but the street racing fucks that shut down roads takes that “hobby” to super douche level.
  17. I think I would probably just sleep in a little later than try to change the pace I’ve set for decades.
  18. Just to be fair the SEC plays this game too. They expanded to 14 but refused to go to 9 conference games while the B1G did go to 9 conference games. SEC plays only 8 conference games means less losses which means the average SEC teams looks more impressive (thanks to their 4th easy OOC cupcake win) while the B1G/B12/P12 all played 9 conference games which simply makes their records worse (yep the math checks out). Then you add in cupcake weekend in November where the SEC artificially rises in the polls while the other conferences are dropping since they are playing conference games. This artificially inflates the rankings ahead of their rivalry weekend games, making them appear more important than they really are and giving the top schools more of a rankings boost when they win and the losers more grace so they don’t drop too far. This also attracts more media and fan interest as well. More media/fan interest leads to better recruiting and ultimately to high NFL draft picks which makes their recruits get rankings boost simply because they are committing to an SEC school (Texas got this same love during the later year under Mack Brown). This entire system then leads to higher than average preseason polls which helps inflate early season victories and soften any early season losses as the media continually bought into the SEC hype. To clarify I’m not saying the SEC is a bad conference my any measure, the top is/has been great but it’s just that their also ran programs get way too much benefit of the doubt because of that SEC patch on their jerseys. Bowl season typically proves this out every year (even with the SEC manipulating their bowl seeding) but collective ignores this and allows the ‘didn’t want to be their’ excuse. Anyway, my point was that everyone is guilty to some degree. The fact that the PAC12 and B12 unnecessarily played 9 conference games (so the rest of the conference could play UT/OU, or USC/UCLA more) and intentionally lower their rankings makes them dumb and the SEC/ACC smarter, and the B1G smarter before them. If you’re not taking advantage of the rules to make your conference more successful then you’re a dipshit, a term that can accurately describe the leadership of the P12/B12 over the last decade+.
  19. I remember when it was just hippies and drunk college kids sitting on the curb smoking weed. And people complained about that too.
  20. If they maintain the status quo of the 12 team CFP and NCAA bball tournament then yes I think their is a significant diminishing return. But once you go past 16 to 20-24 the conversation around that will change significantly and you’ll see a push to breakaway from the NCAA and for a SEC only playoff and a Big Ten only playoff in all major sports (where each conference will control the full broadcast right of its playoff games) culminating in a College Super Bowl or sorts (which will be the only joint SEC/B1G media agreement that they can sell separately). If you add Florida State, Clemson and Miami to the B1G/SEC you have every FBS champ in the last 30 years. Add ND, Washington, Oregon, and UNC and you have the top 30 most valuable programs as well as 68 of the last 75 titles. We’ve been down this road before with the FBS/FCS split and the D1/D2 split before that. It’s not that an FCS or D2 team can’t beat a FBS/D1 team it’s just that it no longer benefits the bigger schools to pretend to be on the same level as the smaller schools. Baylor, Gonzaga, Villanova can still have a basketball tournament and sell their rights, and TCU, BYU, UCF, Boise St and whoever is left can do the same with the CFP while the SEC/B1G do their own thing.
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