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TKthunder2

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  1. Seriously, if they have to fly commercial, the Big Ten absolutely should work with ORD/LAX to get a lounge for when the teams travel. That being said I bet they just go private charters.
  2. Most don’t consider Tennessee a blueblood. Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, and Nebraska. Nebraska is falling out. Texas, despite our horrible decade, is still a top job and a top choice for recruits. As are the rest of the bluebloods save Nebraska. If we have another decade like the last one then we’ll likely fall down/off the list.
  3. No one has said it yet, but the basketball tournament is worth over a billion dollars a year and less than half of that goes to the power 5 conferences. If you think these schools will abandon long time rivals in football but then turn around and stump for a small catholic university in rural Washington state in basketball then I got some beach front property to sell you in Arizona. Hosting a power 5 only tournament may not pull in the same amount of money as the current tournament, but it will mean more money overall for the power 5. Love it or hate it, to me this seems inevitable.
  4. I said undervalued. They used conference realignment to undervalue UT/OU and hoped that the gravy train would continue in perpetuity. If they had stopped and looked past their immediate greed and thought about how this would affect UT/OU in the long term then maybe they would have taken less money for longer term security. While most of the Big12/PAC12is just happy to collect a check and have their names on the ESPN crawler each week, obviously UT/OU/USC/UCLA are not now now those chickens have come home to roost. The other leagues can support a few underperforming programs but the Big 12 and PAC12 are so bottom heavy it was never going to be a viable long term situation, which many of us have been discussing on here for the last decade. https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-bring-in-the-most-tv-viewers-efc03c689e50 SEC before UT/OU has 8 in the top 20 B1G before USC/UCLA has 7 in the top 22 B12 w/o UT/OU have 2 in the top 25, Okie St at 19 and TCU at 25 P12 has USC in the top 20 w/ Stanford, Oregon, Washington, UCLA clustered in the 25-32 range ACC has 3 in the top 25 (Clemson, FSU, Miami) It’s easy to help out a few long term rivals by subsidizing a little bit (especially if they bring other beneficial qualities to the conference) but what the non-SEC/B1G conferences were doing was providing far more than just a little subsidy which is why the TV dollar were never going to be close this time around.
  5. Baylor pulls less than 1/3 the tv viewers than Texas waning they are a 1/3 less valuable (and that’s being generous). Despite that the Big 12 tv deal is an aggregate and Baylor pulls in an equal payout as Texas. Back in the day when we had unequal revenue distribution UT/OU (and USC/UCLA) would have received more money equal to their increased value to the conference, but after the 2010 realignment that all went away and everyone went to equal revenue sharing after Nebraska’s bitching. The unintended consequence is that the bluebloods felt unappreciated and were no long satisfied to sit in a weaker conference with a weaker payout while their peer institutions were about to pull in $100 million a year. Had the Big12 or PAC12 realized how beneficial the tv payouts were to the Baylor/Washington States of the conference and how they negatively impacted their blueblood and made adjustments then perhaps this could have been avoided. Instead the lesser members of the conference enjoyed a free decade of big $ payout that they only received because they leached money away from their bluebloods, meanwhile they complained about the LHN and the LA schools wanting additional revenue from the region channel, and now they are pissed that the gravy train is over. Funny enough the very first thing both conferences offer was to provide UT/OU and USC/UCLA more money, there wasn’t a long drawn out discussion as everyone knew they were worth more than they were getting, but at that point the damage was already done, why stay with the conference that knew for a fact that they were underpaying you and complaining about you at the same time for a decade. If you knew UT/OU USC/UCLA we’re key to your entire conference to survive then why treat them like shit. Greed. Which ironically is the same sin they are throwing back at the departing schools on their way out the door.
  6. Trading/cutting schools doesn’t happen, WOW so smart. We’re talking about if the SEC/B1G reformed like the MWC did after the 16 team WAC debacle in order to cut dead weight leaching off the conference. MSU brings nothing to the table they wouldn’t make the cut but Kansas, West Virginia, NCSU could. and yes, West Virginia academics are shit but they are a top 25 football program with .600 winning percentage which is far superior to MSU’s losing percentage of .490. MSU doesn’t even make the top 75 which includes Kansas, Vandy, Kentucky, and Rutgers. They are pathetic.
  7. If your not a historical top 25 football program you have to bring other qualities to the table. SEC top 25ers- Texas, Oklahoma, aggy, Arkansas, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee Outside the top 25- Mizzou, Ole Miss, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vandy, Mississippi St Mizzou/Vandy bring academics/markets which are needed. Without them, Texas, aggy, Florida, and UGA their shot at getting UNC would be slim to none. Getting UNC, Duke, UVA, Kansas would help the SEC’s academic (and basketball) outlook greatly. Kentucky basketball South Carolina and Ole Miss are flagships of their states Mississippi State brings… Cut MSU and replace with Kansas, NCSU, or WVU and the SEC would be better off.
  8. You think the Big Ten and SEC will give a playoff spot to another conference. The SEC commissioner warned them not to turn down the playoff deal. I doubt they leave any open spots for the PAC/MWC/B12/AAC/MAC/ACC/SBC.
  9. Using all time wins, the Big Ten has 5 in the top 10 but then no other schools until Wisconsin at #25. The SEC has 4 in the top 10, 9 in the top 20, and Arkansas at #23, The Big Ten is top heavy and the SEC is more balanced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_win–loss_records Notable expansion candidates: #5 ND, #14 Clemson, #15 West Virginia, #17 Virginia Tech, #18 Washington, #19 Pitt, #21 Georgia Tech, #22 Syracuse
  10. Basketball is easy and can be a small charter, but they play so close together that’s not a big deal. For baseball they can do 2 weeks away at a time and charter together as travel partners. Large charters LAX to ORD, and small charters to wherever else they are playing. Fly out on Th. Play conference series Fri-Sun. Play at a MAC level school on Tuesday then play another conference series Th-Sat. If they really care about saving travel cost some of the Midwest schools could fly back to LAX on the same charter, and they would play USC/UCLA in back to back weeks.
  11. Florida St, Clemson, UNC, and UVA are invites 1-4. As much as UNC and UVA may want to go to the Big Ten with Maryland, joining a coast to coast conference with Rutgers isn’t as appealing as it once was. Add in that the Big Ten may not have many spots left for tag-a-longs and I could see them choosing the SEC which offers a more regional conference with same/better money and they have the ability to bring their partner like Duke/VT.
  12. Great response https://www.bcinterruption.com/2011/8/22/2376974/sb-nation-conference-realignment-draft-twelve-rounds-complete
  13. Driving this, no, but anyone who thinks they don’t matter is a dumbass. The reason Stanford, UNC, UVA, Duke are considered some of the top candidates for joining of the super conferences is in part due to their academics. Obviously good football and large fan base is #1/2 but academics still rates in the top 5. And you’re completely ignoring the lack of athletic success and hyper focusing on a single word. MSU sucks and has no place in the new world order. They got lucky, if the SEC/B1G decide to reform into a new league there is no way MSU would ever make the cut.
  14. I feel the same way about most Big 12 games as I do Texas v South Carolina. By my count we’ll get 3 lackluster games a year is the SEC (Vandy, SC, MSU, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Kentucky fb) vs 4 lackluster games in the Big 12 (West Virginia, Iowa St, K State, Kansas fb) and then we swap OSU, Tech, TCU, Baylor for aggy, Arkansas and 3 historical powers (UF, UGA, Tenn, Aub, Bama, LSU). Comparing Texas moving to the SEC against USC moving to the B1G is dumb since we’re still geographically located in a regional conference with historical rivals. Oklahoma would have been a better example.
  15. Don’t be dumb, no one is writing it off, just pointing out that it took them 135 years of varsity athletics to get a single national title. That’s the level of athletic programs they have. Texas had 4 national titles this year. Nobody would miss them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Southeastern_Conference_national_championships
  16. They fit, but they bring no value. They suck academically, and athletically (their 1st national title in any sport was baseball a year back). The state of Mississippi in P5 college football ranks only above Nebraska, West Virginia, and Kansas in population and they split that in half with Ole Miss. They bring no media markets worth a damn and are fully surrounded by better SEC schools on every side. They share colors with aggy and a team nickname with UGA and have basically nothing unique or noteworthy that casual fans would care about or miss. No one outside of their shitty state and alumni would give a shit if they were kicked out. They are pretty much the definition of a school that would never get invited to a super league, they just got lucky they were in the club before it became exclusive.
  17. Bama fan’s mock 24 team SEC. I’d take UVA over NCSU (do we really need 3 NC schools). Also is seems like a big miss if you have the opportunity to add Kansas to the conference with Kentucky, Duke, UNC and don’t. I know this isn’t about basketball, but if you can lock up UNC/Duke, Kansas should be the next add. Also aggy would hate this setup. https://bamahammer.com/2022/07/01/alabama-football-future-sec-24-teams/amp/2/
  18. They don’t get a vote until they join.
  19. They still our our 6th most played opponents at nearly 30 years since they left the conference. aggy and Oklahoma are 1 & 2, followed by the SWC private schools who we don’t give a shit about (other than the soft spot we have for Rice). If we had to pick 5 “rivals” aggy, OU, pig are clearly the top 3, with Tech and Rice rounding out the top 5.
  20. In a bubble you are 100% correct. However keeping the Big Ten out of their backyard is pretty valuable.
  21. I’m not arguing. But long term, how tied in is West Virginia, Cincy, or UCF if the ACC comes calling after Florida St/Clemson/UNC leave? How many reasonable expansion options are there in the region…Memphis, Tulane and…? Moving West with the gutted PAC10 (even if Oregon/UW end up leaving) strategically open more doors long term than try to complete with the remainder of the ACC. If the ACC loses 6 schools they can quickly add West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, UConn, Army, Navy, Temple, and any number of 3rd rate Carolina schools and all of those would leave the Big 12 immediately if the ACC sent invites. Meanwhile if they join the PAC12-2 they’d secure their spot as a second tier conference below the SEC/B1G but equal with the ACC and above any of the other smaller conferences with plenty of expansion options between the MWC and a few in the Central time zone. Basically geography would most like (never say never) protect the PAC/ACC from each other. The best move would be to go West. Then even if you get poached some they’d have logical/reasonable candidates to expand with and these schools would secure their spot in a 2nd tier league at worst. Ride and die with the new Big 12 and the ACC could absolutely pass them by relegating them to 3rd tier status.
  22. They may wants out, doesn’t mean they’ll get out. The below looks like a far more respectable conference than anything the new Big 12 could cobble together… UW, WSU, UO, OrSU, Cal, Stan, AZ, ASU Utah, CU, Tech, TCU, UH, OkSU, KU, KSU
  23. Because the SEC is still a regional conference unlike the Big Ten and Big 12, and those schools likely don’t bring in enough money to offset the travel costs and reduced revenue from seeing big name schools at home less often.
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