If Charlie Kirk was the man who you are currently saying he was, do you think that he would stand for limiting these kinds of discussions to only the facts that paint the picture he wants people to accept as truth? Or would he want to gather all the facts together in one place and let them shine in the scrutiny of light?
Covri's post was also directly related to the conversation in that thread mischaracterizing who Kirk is and what he was about. Of course Macklemore is doing the same thing here saying that Kirk was by all accounts a nice guy, which is not factual, and of course Macklemore lacks the capacity for honest self reflection so this is pointless.
It's all about feelings - Kirk played their feelings to get them mad about the things that were useful to him, and now "he was a Christian!" is being used to paper over everything that everyone full well remembers him saying about exactly this kind of a thing now that it has happened to him and the people who liked what he had to say when it happened to others need some help with the cognitive dissonance. He was a good Christian man. A father. A husband. By all accounts he was kind. A Christian. They are attacking you, what will you do?
Hey man, you are actually confused about this. Almost literally nobody here likes that he was murdered. I think he was a piece of shit and the world would be a better place if he had never existed but there are numerous reasons why I wish he hadn’t been murdered, some of which relate to the wrongness of murder and some of which relate to the ramifications of a shithead like him with a large following of impressionable morons who wield enormous political power being martyred. Nobody is glad he was killed [edit: I mean virtually nobody in this conversation in this thread], it’s not gaslighting. We just still think he was a piece of shit, same as we thought yesterday morning.
I think it is very easy for folks to confuse expressions of “you reap what you sow” with “he got what he deserved”, when they aren’t really quite the same thing.
The nuance that you’re failing to grasp is that none of us like that he was murdered but are having a hard time being sad for one of the individuals most responsible for your complaints above. It sucks that this happened generally, it sucks that this is where we are, it sucks that the people who fall for this stuff again and again are falling for it once more with the revisionist history of who he was and what he stood for, and even if someone does the sowing it’s a shame when they reap something like this. It would be morally and intellectually inconsistent for people who share your sentiments above to not recognize Kirk’s role in getting us here as we talk about what his death means.
Guys guys guys, a man is dead. Let’s honor his memory by setting aside petty grievances and not getting tangled up in asinine bad faith arguments over how much we can assign the blame for gun violence on black people.
This comment has me wondering how ( if at all) unprecedented it would be to half mast flags on federal buildings for some unelected political commentator.