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  1. 6 hours ago, dcar00 said:

    there is nothing on ND's resume that is better than Texas except for the loss column.   we even beat both common opponents and you didn't.

    There are several things, like squeakers over losing teams.

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  2. 2 hours ago, JBJ said:

    What makes you think that exactly?  Notre Dame hasn't proven shit.

    The computers say otherwise.  Unless you look at a binary Win=1 Loss=0, you will notice that we only played two close games against good teams and lost each in the final 30 seconds.  The other ten wins ranged from decisive to blowout. 

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  3. 2 hours ago, Uncle Nate said:

    Tech would love to schedule these teams in OOC, but they can't get any buyers (I would bet BYU and others would say the same thing).  So if BIG and SEC refuse to schedule the other P2 schools, then how can they then say the other P2 schools should be excluded because they "don't play anybody"?  If BIG & SEC are so confident that they are so much superior top to bottom than Big12 and ACC, why won't they schedule them with reciprocal home games?  

    Did you miss the BCS era?

  4. 3 hours ago, Drew said:

    Agreed.  OU/Bama not losing really was the nail.  I’d love to see a bama loss drop them but they won’t do it most likely. 
     

    but bumping them out because BYU won would be hilarious. 
     

    Would not surprise me at all to see these rankings have both ND and Bama jump OU so they don’t have to make a decision between ND and a possible SEC loss Bama being edged out for BYU and can drop OU to 11 to put BYU in at 10.  

    A&M, UGA, Bama,

     

    Ole Miss, OU, Vandy.

    UT

     

    It seems to me that a BYU win means that the SEC will have to make do with 'only' four teams in the playoffs.  There are ample reasons to say 'sorry' to number five.

  5. 4 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

    The problem is not the playoff format (although I don’t like the concept at all). The problem is these mega-conferences which create scheduling imbalances inherently.  It’s a problem colleges made for themselves. In a pre-2024 world:

    - The SEC West has sorted out Ole Miss, ‘Bama, and A&M with one team going to CCG and maybe one an outside shot at an at-large. 

    - The PAC-12 is looking to send one of likely Oregon and USC.

    - The ACC’s best team in Miami is heading to a CCG and not at home due to scheduling weirdness. Or is just out and two teams that won divisions are in.

    - The Big XII has whittled down OU, Texas, Tech, and BYU to two or max three.

    But as I’ve said, the playoff was a solution to a problem that only existed in the hot takes of sports talking heads. And at this point we spend all our energy trying to fix the playoff at the expense of all the stuff that made CFB great like regional rivalries, fun OOC games, battles for conference bragging rights, mid-major interest and engagement, etc. Bass-ackwards. 

     

     

    Is there any rule that forbids a conference from using the playoff committee, or something like the AP poll to determine who plays in the conference championship game?

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  6. 3 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

    There wasn’t any. It’s been a truly bizarre year in that sense. During the OU v LSU game Texas got all the way up to +138 to make the playoffs. Thats like a 40% chance?  33%?  Something like that. 

    That was an unlikely and frustrating Turkey Saturday.  OU, Bama, UGA we're all facing virtual elimination on the last drive of the game but the favorites went 3-0.

    1 hour ago, Tex-19 said:

    This is the reality. There is no consistent framework. It's whatever each year's random selection of biased humans decide to weigh. It comes down to simple mental biases: Texas has 3 losses compared to 2. Nevermind they played 5 current top-15 teams and one of those was a 7-point road loss to the defending champ who hasn't had another single-digit game all year. Vandy is named Vandy instead of Notre Dame or Oklahoma. They must suck! Utah's AD is the chairman of the committee.

    The sad part is the message it sends about OOC games. Teams are way better off playing a middling ACC or Big 12 program than someone like OSU or Notre Dame. People will counter with examples of playoff teams that had tough OOC games (ND, A&M, tOSU), to which I say - where would that team be ranked if they didn't play that game and got an easy win instead? A&M would still be in the playoffs easily even with a weak-ass SEC schedule. ND would be top 5. OSU would still be #1. Basically, it wouldn't make a difference at all, especially if you have a tough SEC schedule on top like Texas/Bama.

    Basically, if Texas had played Tartleton State instead of Ohio St, they would probably be ranked 8 or 9. If they had beat OSU, they would probably be ranked 6-8 (maybe pass ATM and/or OM). The risk/reward of playing that game is nowhere close to worth it. 

    The PC almost always follows the computers, it is their justifications in the media that are all over the map.

     

    The exception that proved the rule is FSU in 2023.  The computers didn't know the QB was injured.

  7. 43 minutes ago, bolverk said:

    Vanderbilt hasn't beaten a single AP Top 25 team, while Notre Dame, BYU, and Miami have only one apiece. Yet all four are ranked ahead of Texas, which has the same total Top 25 wins as all four teams combined.

    Good wins vs bad losses vs quality losses.  Computers love that last one.

  8. 37 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

    2-loss Miami, Utah and ND ahead of 2-loss Vandy is so dumb if you look at schedule strength. They're getting punished for their name being Vandy and for the Utah AD being head of the committee.

    Texas is 100% getting punished for playing tOSU. As Sark said, Texas would be a shoe-in if that game was against a cupcake. It was also tOSU's closest game by far all season, only a 7-point loss on the road. Texas is 2-2 vs current/final top-10 teams and 3-2 vs top 15. Remove tOSU and it's still a tough schedule that no other bubble team can match.

    Bubble team records vs top 10/15 along with Massey SOS:
    Texas: 2-2 / 3-2 / 5
    Bama: 1-1 / 2-1 / 13
    ND: 0-1 / 0-2 / 40
    OU: 1-1 / 1-2 (assuming Michigan drops) / 10
    Vandy: 0-1 / 0-2 / 19
    Utah: 0-1 / 0-2 / 42
    BYU: 0-1 / 1-1 / 39
    Miami: 1-0 / 1-0 / 48

     

    Also by Massey,  Vanderbilt is 15th with the 21st power rating.  They are just another good but not great team.

  9. 8 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

    Burns is always going to leave some stuff out because he’s a) bound by time and b) trying to make something palatable for the everyday person. If he were to make one that was truly comprehensive, it would easily be three or four times as long and no one but us uber history nerds would watch the whole thing. 12 hours is his bread and butter. I’m sure there is a podcast somewhere that is 96 hours long that gives the full history. 

    What Franklin and Adams were doing was essential to getting France to join the war for the Revolution so succeed.  I suspect Burns want everyone to watch his doc on Franklin.

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  10. 49 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

    this series is about the war and the adjacent effects on society, not about politics or science or foreign diplomacy

    the founding fathers were extremely important but this is not their story

    I'm not sure what you are getting at but a Revolution by definition applies to politics and diplomacy.

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  11. 3 hours ago, The Dog said:

    yeah but it would be really fucking funny. 

    How about Mich loses a close game ala 2006 and the talking heads demand a rematch?

     

    Specifically because the game is on Fox, ESPN manufacturers a reason so they can broadcast it.

  12. 3 hours ago, The Dog said:

    Gonna be wild to see Indiana at #1 after Michigan beats Ohio State again.

    I think that is a potential nightmare for Notre Dame and other bubblers. I have heard if UM>OSUe the Big ten championship game will be between IU and Oregon.  But then they have to put Michigan in the playoff and of course Ohio State is there too.  So four BUG teams. 

     

    Then if they apply head-to-head logic, Oklahoma jumps in based on the win over Michigan. 4 SEC teams too?

     

  13. 52 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

    My problem with it is that there always has to be a supporting cast of sorts, and even a situation where members of that supporting cast are at the same level - one could make the case for Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, etc.

    This one is weak on the supporting cast.  We hear barely any mention of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin ...  Those men were doing things important to the Revolution.  But Ken Burns, maybe he assumes that we watched his other documentaries. 

  14. 1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

    Couldn't have been improved on but definitely would have liked to have binged it the first time, or at least 3 episodes at a time.

    Washington was definitely the real deal. He dealt with that mutiny, and he could have created a dictatorship of sorts, but he didn't.

    Like that one historian said, I'm not a fan of the Great Man theory, but I feel like Washington is one of a select few that could fall into that category.  I don't think anybody else could have done what he did.  Gates obviously blew it. Benedict Arnold proved that some things cannot be defeated.

    Thus proving the 'Great Man Theory.'

  15. 1 hour ago, boilerhorn said:

    Sagarin's computer rankings have PSU in the top-12.  I guess his computers are giving them credit for losing to good teams?
    http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

    SMH

    College Football 2025 ratings through games of 2025 November 22 Saturday - Week 13
                                    RATING    W   L  SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 |  PREDICTOR   | GOLDEN_MEAN  |  RECENT      | STRONG RECENT
                    HOME ADVANTAGE=[  3.43]                                               [  3.23]       [  3.45]       [  3.60]       [  3.60]
       1  Ohio State           A  =  97.09   11   0   72.14(  46)    0   0  |    3   0  |   94.84    1 |   98.45    1 |  101.11    1 |  107.30    1  BIG TEN             (A)
       2  Notre Dame           A  =  95.29    9   2   74.21(  27)    0   2  |    2   2  |   94.17    2 |   94.80    3 |   99.55    2 |  104.58    2  I-A IND.            (A)
       3  Oregon               A  =  94.12   10   1   74.63(  24)    0   1  |    3   1  |   93.15    3 |   95.05    2 |   96.33    4 |   98.16    5  BIG TEN             (A)
       4  Indiana              A  =  93.64   11   0   71.58(  49)    1   0  |    3   0  |   92.18    4 |   94.31    4 |   96.69    3 |  104.50    3  BIG TEN             (A)
       5  Georgia              A  =  90.92   10   1   75.80(  16)    1   1  |    4   1  |   89.07    6 |   93.38    6 |   92.50    6 |   93.70    7  SEC                 (A)
       6  Texas A&M            A  =  90.26   11   0   75.36(  19)    1   0  |    5   0  |   88.48    7 |   93.90    5 |   90.84    8 |   91.86   11  SEC                 (A)
       7  Alabama              A  =  90.14    9   2   78.64(   6)    1   0  |    6   1  |   90.16    5 |   91.61    7 |   90.36    9 |   91.19   13  SEC                 (A)
       8  Texas Tech           A  =  89.70   10   1   66.50(  71)    0   0  |    2   0  |   87.80   10 |   89.31   10 |   94.36    5 |  102.03    4  BIG 12              (A)
       9  Miami-Florida        A  =  88.90    9   2   72.79(  38)    1   0  |    1   1  |   88.39    8 |   89.51    9 |   90.27   10 |   92.82    9  ACC                 (A)
      10  Mississippi          A  =  87.50   10   1   73.41(  34)    0   1  |    3   1  |   86.48   11 |   89.77    8 |   87.79   15 |   89.44   16  SEC                 (A)
    College Football 2025 ratings through games of 2025 November 22 Saturday - Week 13
                                    RATING    W   L  SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 |  PREDICTOR   | GOLDEN_MEAN  |  RECENT      | STRONG RECENT
                    HOME ADVANTAGE=[  3.43]                                               [  3.23]       [  3.45]       [  3.60]       [  3.60]
      11  Oklahoma             A  =  87.24    9   2   78.17(   7)    1   1  |    6   2  |   86.16   13 |   87.53   12 |   89.41   13 |   92.51   10  SEC                 (A)
      12  Penn State           A  =  87.07    5   6   73.76(  31)    0   3  |    0   4  |   87.89    9 |   84.97   18 |   90.21   11 |   89.34   17  BIG TEN             (A)
      13  Utah                 A  =  87.05    9   2   71.00(  52)    0   1  |    0   2  |   86.47   12 |   85.26   15 |   91.52    7 |   96.82    6  BIG 12              (A)
      14  Vanderbilt           A  =  86.40    9   2   74.56(  25)    0   1  |    4   2  |   85.15   15 |   85.96   13 |   89.63   12 |   93.33    8  SEC                 (A)
      15  Texas                A  =  86.28    8   3   76.37(  14)    0   2  |    2   2  |   85.60   14 |   87.88   11 |   86.58   18 |   85.03   22  SEC                 (A)
      16  Southern California  A  =  85.18    8   3   75.09(  20)    0   2  |    2   2  |   84.73   17 |   85.15   16 |   86.71   17 |   88.23   18  BIG TEN             (A)
      17  Tennessee            A  =  85.15    8   3   72.73(  41)    0   2  |    0   3  |   85.05   16 |   85.54   14 |   85.82   20 |   86.85   19  SEC                 (A)
      18  SMU                  A  =  84.62    8   3   69.83(  59)    1   0  |    2   0  |   83.83   19 |   83.40   21 |   88.07   14 |   91.84   12  ACC                 (A)
      19  Washington           A  =  84.54    8   3   71.10(  51)    0   1  |    0   2  |   84.38   18 |   83.18   22 |   87.35   16 |   90.57   14  BIG TEN             (A)
      20  BYU                  A  =  83.53   10   1   73.11(  36)    0   1  |    1   1  |   81.81   26 |   84.61   19 |   85.20   21 |   90.06   15  BIG 12              (A)

    That's the Sagarin we know and love.  And I somewhat cynically embrace Notre Dame ranking bills mostly upon quality losses.

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