Posts posted by closetojumping
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I remember when I first started visiting the football boards in the late '90's. God, it was an amazing time to be witnessing different parts of the sports 'net learning and developing, and posters doing the same. Nebraska was far and away the most daunting program alongside FSU. It seemed like no one else was close, even if there were obviously strong programs short of them, such as UF, Michigan, OSU, and Tennessee that were worthy of respect. USC sucked. Texas sucked. Bama sucked. LSU sucked. Clemson? Ha. Right.
Now? No one has collapsed like Nebraska. FSU has shit all over itself over the past 4+ years, but they also won a title before that. Texas and USC have certainly gone up to elite and then back down to mediocre. Obviously Bama, Clemson, OSU, and LSU have ascended. Michigan and Tennessee really suck now too, but no one sucks like Nebraska.
Anyway, it's gratifying to watch. I fucking hate those shit heads. Osborne pulled a stunt going to the Big 10 and blaming Texas. This is after he sold his soul to win titles with pieces of human shit. And Nebraska fans, of course, stayed "classy" cheering for shitbags and then talking shit about us on their way out the door. Not so much any more. Turns out, winning covers up a lot of sins.
I had a Nebraska fan that I deal with attempt to claim the "evil Texas" premise with me recently. It was nice. Instead of arguing with him about the lack of facts in his argument (unequal revenue sharing in which Nebraska abstained from benefitting, Texas ending the walk-on program for UNL, other absurd shit), I just went with it. "Yep, you guys were immoral cheaters and Texas showed up and took your heart and soul from you, and you deserved it. You bitches left because you couldn't handle being owned in the conference, and now you've gone somewhere in which you are truly irrelevant. No one cares and no one notices you. If we added you to our future non-con, we'd have to schedule a premier program in the same seasons in order to avoid being accused of having a cupcake schedule. " He changed the subject.
They'll never be back. They're nothing but smoking ruin and rubble, thousands of miles away from talent, interest, and rivalry. It's fitting.
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25 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:
I'm in no way defending how shitty that team was but out of curiosity I looked up that 2008 Washington schedule and they had an brutally tough slate. Their ooc games were BYU, OU, and Notre Dame (Charlie Weis version, but still). Played three teams that finished top ten (OU, USC, Oregon). Played 6 teams that finished in the top 25.
Did almost get a win in the Apple Cup against a terrible Washington State team that only won a single other game but lost what had to be an absolute classic in double overtime 16-13.
Sorry for the digression but not like we're super focused here at the moment. I'm drinking the Sark Kool-Aid completely but I appreciate golfclap's attempt to keep us relatively grounded. Every concern he's brought up is reasonable. Anyway, it's Tuesday, hopefully we get some good news soon.
It's pathetic, but I am pretty sure I remember watching that Apple Cup. It was like watching a train wreck and I was in awe. If it wasn't that game, I don't know what it could have been.
Washington has always been an interesting school to me. It's never been clear why they're not a regular power, but maybe that's simply because I love the weather up there. I really do wish Texas would schedule a home and home with them. They're ideal for it.
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I find it hilarious that Fields is rated as highly as he is. I expect him to bust completely. I mean, completely. The NFL can be pretty tough when, you know, you're not able to constantly throw to wide open receivers against far less talented defenses.
Also, I'd like to see New England whiff on getting a QB. I'm interested in further witnessing just how much of a real genius Bill Belichick is without Brady.
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7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:Debate these nuts on your chin.
4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:Did you wake up today and say to yourself: "I think I'm going to pull the bookshelf on top of myself in public. It just feels right."?
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3 minutes ago, Fud said:
USC's LB coach is named Vic So'oto. There's no way they don't win this one
While I agree that it seems almost certain that he'll wind up at USC, it's absurd to me that a guy leaving a dumpster fire at a place like UTenn will be willing to run into the burning house that is USC.
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1 minute ago, Wulaw Horn said:I think I see why he follows you around negging you in every post- even innocuous shit. Clearly, this is something to be massively concerned with. I think one of my favorite things on this site is discovering for the first time existence of a feud that’s been going on for however long. Love it.
I negged him once last week for a bad take on something, so he' freaked out, apparently, and he's been following me around on the board negging legitimate recruiting and football discussions, including me going after the okie for his weak logic as well.
Then the dipshit shows up with the bad track takes here, so I negged him a couple of times. He then, this morning, sends me a PM saying "You got a problem?" Uhhh, yeah, I do now. I didn't notice the handle before, but yeah, now you've got my attention. It's always strange to me when a new poster decides I'm the poster with whom they're going to fuck with and talk shit.
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16 minutes ago, Octavian said:The average explosive passing play is about 35 yards. That's about 32 meters. Most 200M sprinters do not get anywhere near their top speed in 32 meters (average 100M sprinter does in 35M and 200M sprinters in 55M). Yes, a good 200M sprinter has amazing top speed, but it rarely translates to speed that is functional on the football field. The speed at which an athlete "gets off the blocks" and their initial 10M burst is the most important for a WR/RB because it is what determines whether they can get initial separation/make people miss. I understand the snarkiness and I understand that having a good 200M time means he's very fast. However, most top speeds for distances above 100M don't translate to football because you are rarely going in a straight line and you are rarely running for over 30M.
If you want to argue that Becton can make him more explosive and that his early acceleration can be improved by improvement to technique, form, and conditioning, I'm all for it. The 200M time itself is not the hill to die on.
Listen, fucknut, you showed up with the argument that Evan Stewart did not possess Olympic speed. Others countered with two points - 1) going off of times from a sophomore track season that ended abruptly before it really got going isn't actually indicative of the potential capability of Stewart from a track speed perspective now and 2) he's actually focused on an event that doesn't have football implications but may, in fact, have Olympic speed in that event. You ignored both rebuttals in an effort to trudge forward with irrelevant stupidity.
Everything you've offered since your original shitty take has evidenced an immature inability to simply offer a mea culpa that you were wrong with your original snark and move on.
Congrats though. You've managed to spike the thread away from the impending glory of Stewart committing to Texas because he's a bad ass football player and redirected things into a discussion about Olympic speed and boring track shit.
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1 minute ago, quigley said:
That's a lot of revision there. Please refer to Murray thread on this board to learn what the UT fanbase thought of Murray after his performance at A&M. There were plenty of people questioning whether Hurts could succeed at OU in the Sooner fanbase. There were still people who questioned if he could throw the ball even after he was a Heisman finalist and NFL draft pick. And there was a bias against transfer QBs (with merit based on their success) prior to the OU experience of Mayfield, Murray, and Hurts.
So yeah, market inefficiency. I know what it means too.
There's no revision. You simply don't follow logic very well. People doubting a player or mocking a player doesn't imply a market inefficiency whatsoever. Numerous schools pursued both players when they transferred. Numerous schools wanted each player because numerous schools thought each player could help their team. OU did not sign either guy under the cover of darkness, quietly knowing better while the rest of college football ignorantly rambled on in a different direction.
I'm willing to watch you tumble all the way down this path if you like. It's pretty fucking clear you are punchdrunk and can't tell up from down if you're going to insist on the false premise that signing and playing a former top 5 national recruit that everyone wanted both when he signed and when he transferred, and signing and playing a former starting QB for a national title-winning team that numerous schools pursued aggressively when he announced his transfer, are "exploiting market inefficiencies." It's getting fucking hilarious.
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11 minutes ago, quigley said:
Outside of the fiasco with the QB who went to WV, his comments have been coach-speak or supporting player freedom to my knowledge.
"He has supported player freedom everytime it has served to his benefit. He acted like a hypocritical piece of shit that time in which it didn't favor him, but that was just that one time." Right.
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34 minutes ago, quigley said:
You may want to re-read what I said. I was/am monitoring Tennessee, Michigan, and USC since the first signing day. I'm still perplexed by some of these schools stability. That may change after players get back on campus and into offseason work. We'll see another spike during and after Spring ball.
In the transfer thread, I noted that OU has ~ 50% attrition of high school players historically and close to that recently. Check it out. I present data rather than hot takes and vinegar.
Based on this high attrition rate, one could make a case for taking a core group of high level high school talent and then pivoting to the transfer market to plug in holes. Riley has experience exploiting the market inefficiency in transfer QBs already.
You referenced "OU sites say the OU coaches knew something would go down at TN so they continued to recruit him ", which I mocked your fanbase for given that if they really needed their $9.95ers to tell them that shit may go down at Tennessee, they might be even dumber than I thought. Like Big Kat dumb. I don't need to re-read a thing. It would be helpful if you'd focus better on what others are saying, rather than talking baseless shit. Maybe reading comprehension isn't your thing, but it's an odd thing to taunt at someone else if that is the case.
Also, if you're going to use a term like "market inefficiency" with a readership that understands the concept, you should damn well use it correctly. There was no "market inefficiency" exploited by signing and leveraging Kyler Murray or Jalen Hurts. They were pursued by hordes of schools. OU did a good job of bringing them in and putting them to good use, but OU wasn't uncovering hidden treasure or finding daylight where everyone else was in the dark. Could Riley be "exploiting a market inefficiency" by signing more transfers than most other schools because he's got a POV on bust rates for HS recruits? Sure, that's a legitimate use of "exploiting a market inefficiency" and one we've all been discussing, so you attempting to highlight that point is redundant to the conversation.
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16 minutes ago, quigley said:
That's my understanding. He was following his coach from Auburn to TN, but coach got fired in the purge so now he remains in limbo. The OU sites say the OU coaches knew something would go down at TN so they continued to recruit him even after he publicly declared for TN.
To my knowledge, Wheaton and Uke only. And of course it would be a surprise if they got either.
You guys needed $9.95ers to tell you something was going to happen at Tennessee? I guess your base and Big Kat were the only dumbasses clueless about that one, so it sounds like a good match.
Abandoning high school recruiting for one-third to one-quarter of every class seems like a bold strategy. Can’t argue with Riley’s results so far though. Bill Snyder probably admires him.
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8 hours ago, stork642 said:
I’ll know the new S&C coach is really good as soon as I hear that Whittington is going to yoga 3-5 times a week. I’ve never done yoga in my life but that dude needs way more flexibility.
4 hours ago, Sejjr said:This. The new S&C coach should make his top priority getting Whittington off his brother’s bodybuilder routine.
Maybe if he’ll just lay off the “supplements” for a while, everything can have a chance to de-glassify. Not sure what that will do to his speed though.
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6 hours ago, Tex48 said:
It'd be nice for once if one of our players with olympic speed would actually showcase it in a game then I'd be ok with hearing it every game for 4 years.
You cast aspersions at David Aaron, you cast aspersions at all of Surly, sir!
Also, John Burt did do it once against Notre Dame on national tv. It reminded me of Robin Williams making a similar play in The Best of Times. Burt might have also done the same against Okie State, so he granted your wish twice, yet here you are, ungrateful and entitled. He’s probably reading this and almost getting mad and doing something, then fading from his keyboard again, generally indifferent.
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1 hour ago, Reese Bennett said:
We're building something special so come be a part of it.
We know how to put players in the NFL.
We know how to win championships.
Loyal to the soil. (For instate recruits only)
Education and national alumni network.
Austin.
BBQ and Tex-Mex.
Actual female cheerleaders.
Name and likeness will make you a bunch more bucks here than anywhere else.
Oh yeah, here's a bag full o' money, a Surface, and a PS5 with a bunch of games. You get the loaded F-250 when you sign.
You answer questions the way you create thread titles. I passed out reading this post and woke up to dog piss in my kitchen. Thanks a lot for the literary prozac.
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2 minutes ago, Daichee Bell said:
That's why you're slow.
Gauntlet laid down for September 4th, 2021, sir. Fuck around and find out and such. I've already begun overlapping cycles of horse steroids and I'm following the Sylvester Stallone Rambo 2 diet of eating nothing but grilled chicken and broccoli.
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3 hours ago, longhornmatt said:
Maddog is only S&C coach most people bitched about before it was clear his head coach was on the way out. I guess there were also a few posters who saw Wylie up close and questioned him pretty early, but it wasn’t widespread.
None of them are going to be that much different than anyone else that this level, but the overall culture and goals of S&C set by the head coach can make a difference. Whether it’s Becton or Yancy, I’m sure either one could get a guy lean and twitchy if the coach wants explosive athletes to run around people. And either could bulk a guy up if the coach wants everything to be a power game. I think it’s pretty clear Herman way undervalued speed and overvalued bulk for the modern game. We added way more weight than most schools do to a ton of our players, even to many of our offensive skill guys.
I don’t expect Becton to have revolutionary techniques that Yancy never knew about. I do expect (hope) he will have better strategic marching orders from his head coach about what we’re trying to accomplish, though.
What are you trying to see here, bud? You think making Jake Smith add 20 pounds to his frame was a bad idea?
2 hours ago, Tex Pete said:Wylie’s philosophy is quite different from most S&C coaches. Mad Dog got lazy and entitled himself. Wylie is just off. I have no doubt he works hard. McKnight’s philosophy is fine but his ability to convey that with trust and respect waned. Players will accept an asshole if they see results.
My favorite S&C coach I ever played for was a raging asshole whose head often looked like it was going to launch off his body, but there was a method to his madness, and he walked his talk.
I hated every antic around S&C training for football growing up. I don't know how guys handle it at the collegiate levels or higher. Just tell me what you want me to do and where you want me to go, fucker, and I will do it with full effort. I don't need your chronic halitosis blowing violently in my face along with Copenhagen spittle because you need to feel like you've pushed the prima donna to a higher level, you room temperature IQ-having meat head. In fact, if it wasn't for the games and the pussy, none of it was worth it. So, I guess, yeah, it was totally worth it. But still.
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4 minutes ago, Mother mopar said:10 minutes ago, closetojumping said:This sounds exactly like Tyrone Swoopes' impact at Whitewright his senior year. I remember covering the transformation on Shaggy. He put that team on his back, completed damned near every pass that season, and carried them the whole year.
Junior year for sure, senior year not so much.
No, it was his SR year. I remember thinking, this is all totally justifying Mack Brown forcing Harsin to take this dude instead of JT Barrett. It was all truly stunning.
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5 minutes ago, Fud said:
Random A&M poster
"This kid is special. I've never seen a WR carry a HS team...and this kid does.
His HS team, prior to his soph year had not won a single game in four years. His soph year they began using him like he was a one-man show. They ran endless jet sweeps to ensure they got him the ball enough to earn their first win in five years (I was there - pulling for the opposing team). Then this year his team makes the playoff. That turns heads. I'm telling you - this kid is special. Not only does he have the talent, but he must bring it everyday to the point his teammates keep thinking he can create magic enough they believe they can win. That is a new feeling for that HS football program...and frankly the rest of the area isn't used to it yet. They are no longer a forgone conclusion your third team was going to get to play. Now you're trying to figure out how you can stop Stewart and two kids isn't working.
This is a kid I want A&M to target. If he doesn't go to A&M, do not lose credibility and say you do not think he's good. Because if you say that - anyone that has actually seen this kid play in a game - will no longer extend you football credibility"This sounds exactly like Tyrone Swoopes' impact at Whitewright his senior year. I remember covering the transformation on Shaggy. He put that team on his back, completed damned near every pass that season, and carried them the whole year.
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15 minutes ago, Viper said:it not happening now would be a good sign yes?
I wouldn't read too much into days vs weeks. Obviously the longer nothing happens, the better things are for anyone other than ATM. Perkins is apparently a fucking lock, which is disappointing. The rest is more mercurial.
One thing everyone should expect is for someone, beyond just guys that we all know are leaning towards ATM, to get locked up and moved off the grid of recruiting from that moment forward. This will be a high impact guy at a position where they know they have a need. Given the very nature of how this works, I doubt we'll know until it happens, or at least until they have an on-campus gathering for recruits in April/May.
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53 minutes ago, PHLaggie said:
The names I've seen mentioned are Harold Perkins, Denver Harris, Kam Dewberry, Bear Alexander, Kelvin Banks. Yes, that's more than 3, I know.
Perkins, Harris, and Banks (sounds like a law firm, eh?) seem friends with the ones who already committed to A&M. But there are so many examples each year where "package deals" especially ones with multiple players, almost never come true. Those are more like wish lists. But it helps to have committed players happily, openly recruiting the others to come join them. Landing Perkins and Harris would be a coup, no doubt.
It's Dewberry, Perkins and Taylor if anything happens fast. There was a shit ton of chatter about it happening between TH-Sun, so it might not be happening. Not saying the other guys aren't possibilities for ATM, but hope that helps.
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I think the Chang vs Hughes/Sarkisian concern from @SydneyCarton, @golfclap, and @Ricky's one-hitter is worthy of examination, but I struggle to get behind it until more comes out about what's going on.
For one, while I'm of the opinion that Chang's team was solid at evaluations, I don't think that's an exclusive feature for a good recruiting department. That should be table stakes for anyone in that role at a program of Texas' reach. Hughes has plenty of skins on the wall to point at from UCF forward in his own right. The handwringing over trading out Hughes for Chang is unwarranted from the "can the new guy meet the performance of the old guy?" concern.
So I don't get the big deal about wanting to replace a person in a key role with your guy. There doesn't seem to have been any hesitation about that move by Sarkisian. Maybe you guys don't see this as a turnaround since it was one of the elements that was fine under Herman, but that's never how hostile regime change works. It's actually shocking that Sarkisian has kept as many on-field and off-field staff as he has. "I don't care how they were doing it. That got everyone fired. If I'm going to get fired or win, we're going to face that doing it my way."
So then you're left with a speed to market issue. The program is playing from behind on offseason work such as tournament and camp attendance. Okay. The notion that the new guy should hit the ground running immediately with "3 to 4 of his guys" is an easy thing to say, and a harder thing to do. Know how I know? I've done it, at times with even more than "3 to 4 guys" in tow. Not in football, but in the same fashion. Asking people to uproot immediately and be at the next place overnight is easier said than done. The less money they're making, even if you're offering a step-up, the less quickly many can move. This isn't a fucking movie. This isn't Oceans 14 - Austin Style, where everyone converges on Bellmont at the same time, high-fiving and grabbing cell phones to make calls all at once, shortly after a travel montage set to Weeknd's "Blinding Lights" or some shit shows them getting there from disparate locations.
The timing expectation provided around this premise is absurd. Sarkisian didn't know he had the job until roughly NYD. Then outreach might begin in earnest, while balancing CFbP needs for 12 days. How much time, given all of that and whenever he spoke to Hughes, is Hughes supposed to have had to have his "3 or 4 guys" fucking sewn up, packed, moved, and in-territory recruiting and gladhanding? It's 1/25.
This Hughes dude's background includes installing a frontline of students doing research and analysis, coordinating with the on-campus relations partner, and then building out the full-time staff for off-campus relations, camp creations, etc. If he and Chang didn't handle it the same way, he's going to want it done his way.
2021 is a sunk cost for the new off-field staff. Maybe they get lucky following a lead or two, but that's it besides the obvious pre-existing targets. So they're late to the party on 2022 and 2023? Take the effort to do it right the first time and count on performance and brand to sling-shot the program forward again once you've laid a foundation on bedrock.
Tom Herman Fired as UT Football Coach
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Hahahahahahahaha!!!! It's like fucking clockwork with your idiotic ass. Go write love letters to Chuckles offline, dipshit. Spare the board from your silly, insipid, weak equivocating for a fucking joke of a coach. We don't owe that fucking idiot one iota of loyalty or apology and yet you show up every time his name is mentioned to tear at your clothes and sob in agony for his dumb ass.