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  1. 22 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

    i know more about the history of your church and your people than you do - i seek only the truth - you should too

    "Nothing but the truth is good enough for the church to which I belong."

    - juanita brooks

    I'm sure you think you do, but I highly doubt it. I've read and studied quite a bit. You read Fawn Brodie's trash biography and other polemics and now you think you are an expert. Good luck with that.

    Anyhow, I'm not going to debate you on religion on a football board. 

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  2. 2 hours ago, 'stache said:

    Their 1984 national championship claim is also so fucking weak when you see their schedule. 

    Washington, ranked #2 after the regular season, declined the option to play BYU. They chose to play Oklahoma instead for more money. They got their money, but not the championship. They should have played BYU instead, but they didn't. Then at the beginning of the 1985 season BYU beat Washington 31-3.

    Baylor coach Grant Teaff, who played both BYU and Oklahoma that year, said: "We played both of them, lucky me, and I think BYU is better. We felt we had a chance against Oklahoma (ranked #2 before its bowl game against #4 Washington), but against BYU all I wanted to do was get the game over with and get out of there."

    Furthermore, BYU received the number-one ranking in ALL 4 NCAA sanctioned polls AP, Coaches, NFF and FWAA. Thus making BYU one of only 19 FBS programs which have been deemed "Unanimous National Champions".

    And one more point, a bunch of BYU players on that team made it to the NFL. 

  3. 2 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

    your graduates are employed by the brethren network which has an extremely high concentration in tech and the military intelligence and enforcement complex because of their programmatic 'training' in childhood; aggy has a network and employs aggy; that doesn't validate aggy academics

    you DO NOT have a national following in football - quit saying that - it has been disproven repeatedly

    Brethren network? (Can you let me know how to tap into that?) Hired for our programmatic training? How about being attractive candidates due to high degrees of integrity, honesty, patriotism, and loyalty, stemming from a mix of growing up with an emphasis on Judeo-Christian values and formal participation by the LDS Church in Boy Scouts up until a few years ago? 

    When I say we have a national following, I'm saying we have a large alumni network across the country and we show up very well to away games all the time. 

  4. 13 hours ago, royiv said:

    Because BYU is a pain in the ass to schedule around

    Other than no Sunday play, what are you talking about? You're "answers" remain vague.

    13 hours ago, royiv said:

    they have an inflated sense of their value, they demand special treatment not afforded to other conference members and there's the little problem of them not being an legitimate academic university. It's like bringing Liberty University into your conference.

    We demonstrably have all the markers of a P5 program (we enter the B12 (minus UT & OU) with the biggest stadium; we have a national following, our record against P5 programs is even or a little better than even; we have a national championship, heisman winner, doak walker winner, NPOY in hoops all in living memory; we have a consistently high ranking in the Director's Cup rankings (for 2022 we were #3, ahead of Ohio State, Texas, and Alabama); and I could go on. So, yeah we feel like we deserve to be in the P5 realm and do operate at a higher level than the teams in the MWC, WCC, and WAC. 

    13 hours ago, royiv said:

    they demand special treatment not afforded to other conference members

    Like what? You double counting no Sunday play?

    13 hours ago, royiv said:

    there's the little problem of them not being an legitimate academic university

    We're accredited and our grads are well recruited by top companies, so almost everyone else disagrees with this take. My BYU transcript was accepted when I went to grad school elsewhere. 

    You seem bitter about something lol.

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  5. 3 hours ago, locodos said:

    Better farming than sitting in that sunblasted hell hole at noon.  I can only imagine what those metal bleachers would feel like.

    Went to a game at Florida State in early September once and was sitting on those metal bleachers. Felt like I was sitting in one of those metallic sun cookers. 🥵

  6. 4 hours ago, General Specific said:

    By this list several Ivy League schools, North Dakota State, Mount Union, St. Johns, Grambling, Wittenberg, Wisconsin-Whitewater, Linfield, Pittsburg State, and more are in the top 50 programs. Not a single remaining B12 school is on that list except WVU, btw.

    4 hours ago, General Specific said:

    Boise State, Princeton, Yale, Syracuse, and Illinois are on the list of top 30 programs. 

    4 hours ago, General Specific said:

    Congrats to the dozens of teams that won a lot of games in the early 1900s and are now meaningless in college football.

    Your lists are irrelevant. 🤡

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  7. 10 hours ago, Josef Pwag said:

    They have a factory that makes magic underwear which is what people in Utah rely on instead of a hospital. 

    Good one...

    Just FYI the current president of the LDS Church is a former heart surgeon that was a pioneer in his field, was a director of the American Board of Thoracic Surgery, and was offered the job as head of the dept of thoracic surgery at the University of Chicago, but turned it down. 

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  8. 1 hour ago, camel at sea said:

    It was always implied that BYU overplayed its negotiation hand with the Big 12 and it's hard to believe that the Sunday thing was a dealbreaker by itself because it's a pretty easy workaround.  Maybe somebody with a better memory of that than me can say what happened.  Either way, everything was a lot smoother between both sides a decade later.  

    I think that's hearsay. I've never seen more than rumor/conjecture on this during the fog of realignment war. The only other thing I can think of where we may have asked for some unique handling is BYUtv.  But if anything, I would think that BYUtv would be an asset. In the WCC, we broadcast mens and womens tournament games that otherwise would not have been broadcast. I'm sure we offered it up as something that could serve the conference, when needed. 

  9. 2 minutes ago, gatormarc said:

    I thought the limiting factor was always that BYU refuses to play on Sundays and no one wanted to accommodate that.

    Who gave in here, BYU or the Big12?

    The "BYU is difficult to work with" is such BS. The only limitation is the no Sunday play, which is admittedly non-negotiable and perhaps that's what some people mean, but we are a team player and are willing to work together in every way. 

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  10. 3 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

    I can only speak to it regionally. Any ranked Big 12 matchup should could get a pretty good number in Texas and Oklahoma. I know I'll be watching. 

    I doubt the Coasts and Chicago will give a shit, but hey they never did unless it was Texas - OU. 

    Outside of ranked games, I'd be interested in following games : 

    BYU - Baylor. Both really weird schools that shotgun caffeine free Dr. Pepper at tailgates. 

    K State - Kansas. Decent rivalry for flyover country. 

    Tech - TCU. The Battle for the Vacant Corner Office. 

    Iowa State - Okie State. Surly Realignment Thread Blood Feud. 

    Cincy - UCF. The Happy To Be Here Bowl. 

    I guess TCU - Baylor if the Bears get good again. Usually a competitive game. 

    Coug High vs... Nope I just can't get there. 

     

    That is pretty dismal. Yet some in the thread will argue it's better than the ACC. 

    BYU v TCU games could get spicy. We have history and beef there. Both teams would need to be ranked and the game would need to have some implications, but there is potential.

    BTW, caffeinated sodas are now available at BYU.

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  11. 4 hours ago, closetojumping said:

    Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Ohio State and very few other schools have always maintained a policy of being willing to play anyone, any time, and they continue to do so. None of those schools have had a FCS school on their program in a very long time outside a random occurrence that was a one-off in the first place. Texas had SHSU on theirs in 2007, the only one in 30 years, due to another school bailing on a game late in the process. 

    Shame on OU, UCLA, the SEC, Michigan, the ACC, Nebraska, and other historically notable programs who have begun the practice of going after OOC cupcakes and FCS games. At least UCLA and OU held out until recently, I guess. 

    I do respect that anyone, anytime, anywhere mentality. Hat tip.

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    Alabama almost never plays anyone west of the Mississippi and usually pads its record with 1 FCS team and 1 bottom-feeder FBS school. Always thought that was lame, but they won the big games so it worked for them. It boggles my mind that FBS teams are still allowed to play FCS teams and have it count. My team started doing it in independence, but I want to be done with that. 

  12. 13 minutes ago, USC Traveler said:

    Trojan Man explained it well, but since your cognitive dissonance is seemingly impenetrable, I'll take another shot.

    Your worldview revolves around playing schools that are close to your school and similar to your school.  We get it.

    Understand this: UT and USC want to play schools that are similar to our schools.  Those schools are named UGA, tOSU, UM, Bama, ND, LSU, etc.

    UT's most important rival is in another state.  

    USC's only true rival is in the Midwest.  (UCLA is an annoying little brother.)  We've been traveling across the country to play for almost 100 years.

    UT and USC folks don't give a fuck about the schools that are close to us because we want to compete against the best.

    We'll happily trade unexciting matchups in the B12/PAC (that make up the majority of the schedule) to play unexciting schools in the BIG/SEC (that make up a smaller part of the schedule) because we get to play other bluebloods and near bluebloods.  Games that we will be excited for and that will be memorable.

    When you're sitting on your tractor making a list of divisions that looks almost exactly like the way things were 50 years ago and acting like it would be some kind of CFB nirvana, you're only looking at it from your point of view.  You somehow can't understand that your pov is very different from the pov of someone who has seen his team win multiple National Titles  and lives less than 20 minutes from an airport that has nonstop flights to any road destination that we would want to visit.  

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    Short version- for USC and UT, we don't care about travel because we're going to be playing more schools that are our peers, and we don't care about playing schools that are closer to us because we have never cared about playing them.  

    We're going to have more games that are exciting to watch, make more money, and have better exposure for recruiting.  It would be crazy not make the BIG/SEC move.

    Did you feel this way before the expansion to a 12 team playoff? More big time matchups could mean more losses, but getting into the playoff will be a bit easier now, so that dynamic has changed. 

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