
Vegas64
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The difference between Marcello and Bad Bunny picture meme. They are the same picture.
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delete / an hour late Beat me to it.
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What in the wide world of sports is going on there. That read like an Onion headline.
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Gotcha. I follow now. I think that's probably right-- like the French in American Revolution-- you need outside help to win those sorts of wars. And right now the outside help (Russia, Eastern Europe, China) is helping the other side.
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What are you talking about here? Seriously you lost me.
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Charlie Kirk assassinated at an event in Utah (by a 22 YO groyper)
Vegas64 replied to msbesq's topic in Cloak Room
You'd actually be surprised. "Everyone in jail is innocent" is not an axiom for no reason. But even if it's just 1%, you are right. -
Charlie Kirk assassinated at an event in Utah (by a 22 YO groyper)
Vegas64 replied to msbesq's topic in Cloak Room
That's the problem with the laziness and cultural status of what it means to self identify as Chrisitan in America (which I think is Brisket's main railing point). -
Charlie Kirk assassinated at an event in Utah (by a 22 YO groyper)
Vegas64 replied to msbesq's topic in Cloak Room
If you've ever been a part of helping someone change, you might disagree. But yes, ultimately the locus of control and motivation has to be internal first, but the support can be almost as important. I've seen it with religious things but also things like addiction and substance abuse -- I am assuming politics is not more sacred, could be wrong. -
Charlie Kirk assassinated at an event in Utah (by a 22 YO groyper)
Vegas64 replied to msbesq's topic in Cloak Room
I hear you. I personally think there is no such thing as "irrdeemable" and that everyone can be redeemed, but I understand those are personal values and beliefs. One of the reason I am involved in prison ministry IRL. -
Charlie Kirk assassinated at an event in Utah (by a 22 YO groyper)
Vegas64 replied to msbesq's topic in Cloak Room
I don't know, maybe you are right. But I don't think it's as clear cut or obvious as you think it is. I think it has more to do with distribution and a virtous cycle of popularity, likes, clicks, views, etc. The only other Christian I can think of who was/is more popular for both the lay and actively practicing Chrisian is maybe Joel Osteen. And his message is wildly different as a prosperity gospel guy, but the distribution and algo's keep him relevant. As I've sort of poured over the Charlie Kirk issue the last week, I definitely agree that his nationalism and politics also had a lot to do with a certain (large size) sect of Christians loving him as well. Those are Christians who I agree with Brisket who are doing it wrong. -
Charlie Kirk assassinated at an event in Utah (by a 22 YO groyper)
Vegas64 replied to msbesq's topic in Cloak Room
And I'll be equally honest (thanks for your honesty and vulnerability as well) in that I think most people that I've talked to about the situation since last week (I literally had someone in my social circle I didn't even know knew who Charlie Kir was tell me he was his hero), they admire Kirk because he was a lion in defending a culturally unpopular belief system and way of life (and one that is impossible to adhere to as human beings on earth, full of hypocripsy and temptations) and they saw him as their champion of faith in a culture that is counter to everything they believe in. In that way maybe we are saying something similiar? I think that what made him more popular than the other millions who fervently defend faith was that most of these people from what I can tell, aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, and most are addicted to the internet and the algorithm where Charlie Kirk reigned supreme. He was like the Mr. Beast of Christian short form video or something from what I gather in being prolific and popular. -
That's fine but it doesn't matter. Globally, social media is not going anywhere and it can and is used for positive change (which was your whole anti-point). Extremely young Americans are, in their own way, just as intertwined with global culture as young Nepalis and Phillipines and Arab Spring youth were. "Everyone on Earth under 30 was basically born into a world where that’s always been the case. Obviously that’s going to change how geopolitics works! And American lawmakers clearly don’t understand that (yet)."
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Yep, that's what I've drawn as a conclusion as well.
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Charlie Kirk assassinated at an event in Utah (by a 22 YO groyper)
Vegas64 replied to msbesq's topic in Cloak Room
No doubt, 100% there are a lot of people that admire Charlie Kirk for his racism and J6 insanity. But I think, at least from what I've witnessed, is that most people actually admired Charlie Kirk for his evangilism and fervent defense of his (and by extension, their) beliefs and religion. They see him as a lion for their faith in an unchurched, biblically hostile world (even in the big tent of Christianity, where there are faiths and churches who are more "progressive" in views). -
Charlie Kirk assassinated at an event in Utah (by a 22 YO groyper)
Vegas64 replied to msbesq's topic in Cloak Room
I get that is our and a lot of people's subjective opinion, but I think what a large segment of our society is saying is that they (in varying degrees of vehemency) disagree.
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