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Bernie was, of course, correct. He is also correct today, in the wake of Shitbird's new victory, when he discusses how the Democratic elites do the exact same thing to protect the power and money of those who fund their operation (and no, this isn't "both sides", this is my usual thing of not giving a shit about doing commentary on the GOP and wanting to focus entirely on my OWN house, where I have influence and hope). A conversation the ancient Vermonter wants to start now but is probably not really going to be had because we are going to use "it's too soon, we're hurting!" as yet another shield to protect the elites of a party who haven't allowed a free and fair primary since 2007. We can't control how they let their elites control them. We can control how our elites control us. Let's do that.
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Non-partisan "Fuck the Status Quo" Thread of Dominance
bad_teammate replied to Hank Kingsley's topic in Cloak Room
No longer looking defining the guy you're going fishing with by his voting history or even his political beliefs. No longer asking people who they voted for or trying to divine their beliefs. Starting to ignore what they say that is clearly just mindless or reflexive, figuring out where their better angels are, and speaking directly to those better angels. To me this isn't even about walking on a high, lonely road, it's about not becoming a completely miserable piece of shit in my own life. I think the Tik Tok gay is right about how fucking annoying liberals are, but I disagree about the election being a referendum on liberal annoyingness. He's 100% right about this outrage being antithetical to necessary introspection. (The "do you want to be morally superior or do you want to win?" question is one I've asked many many times.) -
Non-partisan "Fuck the Status Quo" Thread of Dominance
bad_teammate replied to Hank Kingsley's topic in Cloak Room
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Non-partisan "Fuck the Status Quo" Thread of Dominance
bad_teammate replied to Hank Kingsley's topic in Cloak Room
I've been alive too long to buy into this emo shit about the human race. We are vast; we contain multitudes. Very few of the grown-ups who voted for the Shitpile did so because they genuinely wanted to hurt someone. Did a few/ten thousand of the dumbass Gen Z'ers who have no life experience or perspective so they think owning people is a legitimate way of life? Sure. But Grandpa Trump-lover is far more ignorant than he is malevolent and he's often very easy to bring on side (in terms of interpersonal positivity, not voting liberal) with love, affection, and non-judgmental outreach. If winning is the goal, of course. -
Non-partisan "Fuck the Status Quo" Thread of Dominance
bad_teammate replied to Hank Kingsley's topic in Cloak Room
It's far more rational, given historical perspective and basic reasoning, than assuming the pothole ahead is actually a chasm. It could be one, sure, but that's not the pattern and there's nothing purposeful that comes from embracing irrational fears. But we're too reliant on metaphor here, the reality of what we need to do is build bridges towards the people we need to vote with us to get the things we want enacted. Dismissing the vast swathe of American voters as irredeemable isn't emotionally soothing right now, but it's dumb both in terms of practice and in terms of accurately reading the world. People aren't evil, by and large, but they are dumb and easily swayed. So let's sway them. -
Non-partisan "Fuck the Status Quo" Thread of Dominance
bad_teammate replied to Hank Kingsley's topic in Cloak Room
They killed Roe. They dreamed that shit into existence through unflappable will. On our side, despite all their fucking horseshit, we are climbing upward constantly towards a brighter and more accepting future. Biden had a trans woman in his cabinet and a black female VP. It's not a smooth, unbroken 45-degree incline, but if you pull back far enough it's damned close to it. It's very easy to just scroll past the myopic, zero-perspective, "LOOK AT ME!" doomsaying/whining and not let it skew rational perspectives. I highly recommend it. -
Non-partisan "Fuck the Status Quo" Thread of Dominance
bad_teammate replied to Hank Kingsley's topic in Cloak Room
To answer this question seriously, if people stop arguing and paying so much attention to the worst voices (which, in truth, require specific effort on our parts to even find) then they'll realize they're often pulling the rope in the same direction more often than not, especially if the issues/work is local and not explicitly political. You can, locally, feed the homeless, read books to elementary school kids, deliver meals on wheels, etc... with people whose political views you abhor and not even know it unless you make it a point to try and find out. (Or were incapable of ignoring/shooting down their overtures to start political conversations.) Even in the world of volunteering pro bono for illegal immigrants, who would you even talk to that would respond that way and what would it matter? I know millions of Americans who would be mad at you, but at what point would that conversation even really happen? Someone asked either here or in another thread why do Democrats need to be the bigger person or the adult in the room or whatever... it's because there's no other option. Not in some dramatic martyrdom way in which we nobles are holding up the pillars of society, but there's just not another option if we are in charge of our own values. So I can do whatever the fuck I want because it doesn't matter how many people believe my specific efforts are making the world worse. Their opinion has zero power or relevance that I do not purposefully and intentionally give away. -
I would point out how Al Gore had an election openly stolen from him by the Bush campaign and SC in 2000, but most people here were either the guys pounding on the doors in Miami-Dade or cheering on those who did (if politically engaged at all so long ago), so I'm not sure that will register as meaningful. Subtle Internet influence campaigns don't really stand out to me as all that big of a deal.
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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
bad_teammate replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
We got a black guy named Hussein elected president twice, both times by convincing margins over well-rehearsed, well-known, extremely-experienced white guys. And Hussein did pretty damn well among blue collar white dudes considering he's a black guy named Hussein married to a black woman with broad shoulders and being born in Kenya and having gay sex in a limousine for money or something. We don't need to lower ourselves profoundly to appeal to the base cretins unworthy of sharing our booth at Chili's; we need someone people like who speaks well about a broader vision of American greatness. Because our ideas are a lot better, a lot kinder, and a lot more full of love for humans, which most people actually like. We ran Hillary, who a lot of people really liked and a lot of people really really really hated for a very long time, and lost. We ran Biden, who a lot of people really liked and no one really hated all that much for very long (it doesn't count when its in the throes of the election itself, we always hate the other guy's candidate even if we didn't know them before), and won. We ran Kamala, who had no base and no voter ID and who no one cared about until it was time to have to care about her (election-time), and lost. So let's get someone that no one really hates, that at least SOME people really like already, and who presents well. -
Notice how you hedged towards admitting that there are real problems that young men have but absolutely could not stop yourself from pushing it aside as quickly as you could and ending it with the typical chiding and scolding of those same young men? Be sensitive and vulnerable and open but also stop being a pussy and help others but don't expect others to help you and if you need help you're a pussy and be nice to others who need help and yeah maybe you have a problem but look at all those other people who have it worse.
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Let's be fair, the "Let's move!" thing was never going to accomplish jack shit even if every politician and talking head on TV sang its praises. Harmless, of course, but vapid. ("Harmless but vapid" is like a B+ in DC!)
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Dude, do NOT give the Trump Cabinet any fucking ideas.
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And the posters in here, largely, don't realize they're doing the exact same thing: "These stupid pussies don't slide down banisters on the wet panties of last night's conquests playing the 'Sultans of Swing' solo like I did when I was in high school!" What percentage of young men in school are actually cool? How many of them have the confidence needed to live this way? How many of them genuinely just want to live a simple life of good values (whatever that might mean to them), humility, and responsibility? How many of them want to be useful and independent and see no path towards it? Trumpworld is looking at them saying, "You're a dumb pussy right now, but that can change. Get in, loser, we're saving America and you're an important part of that!" What are we saying to them? What's our offer? "You're a dumb pussy right now, but if you abase yourself enough you'll learn that hating yourself openly and shitting on yourself and those like you has its own rewards if you do it for clout. You get to feel like One of the Good Ones!" I guess it's kind of working? The gap is closing a tiny bit?
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We send our kids on 8th grade field trips to go look at giant statutes of and monuments to men who raped their slaves. Open my profile pic to see a pic of Bubba (a rapist/sexual predator himself) standing in front of modern slaves to pump up his tough-on-crime credentials. insert-"always-was"-astronaut-meme
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It's an especially difficult thing to envision since we already had Trump as president and democracy did not, in fact, die. Or even mildly suffer. Maybe, when Trump finally dies, the Democrats can be issues-focused? Dare to dream.
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Maybe if we do disingenuous and illogical outrage like this even harder Donald Trump #2 won't win 2 out of the next 3 elections.
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If you think "White Men +8" and "Black Men -13" are miniscule for Democrats then you're about as tuned in as the current Democratic leadership appears to be. Also, if it's miniscule then why is the central focus of this thread and the larger Democratic zeitgeist the unrelenting horror problem of white men? Literally the group that swung hardest in the right direction over the last 8 years (at least according to the numbers provided)? Why isn't this thread, "What went wrong with Latinos?" The answer to that question is instructive.
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Rightward shifts 2016-2024: Black men +13 Black women +6 Latino men +43 Latino women +22 White men -8 White women -1
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Perhaps as a one-off it wouldn't have mattered, but a persistent effort to actively embrace perhaps the strongest part of the American electorate would have mattered. Or if not embrace, then at least not actively antagonize to get Internet claps from fractions of a micro-percentage. I'm not going to say Kamala is stupid for not going on Rogan, that's only something that looks dumb with the advantage of hindsight, but perhaps at some point the Democratic Party needs to keep the main thing the main thing and look at who their winning coalition is. Not the coalition that gives them the warm-fuzzies, but the winning one. I don't know how accurate these CNN numbers are, but it speaks to something very important, which is that we've jumped the shark on the flagellation of white people by liberals. Enough with this tired shit that doesn't even work. All of these voting bases are just voting bases that need to be enticed like any other. That's it.
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Gen X men talking about their lives as if it were Dazed & Confused should reflect on the deep and profound privilege they had at the time to be so certain that their futures were secured and that nothing in their lives mattered as much as girls and drugs. Not all generations had that certainty, including the current one we are all so superior to. Gen X doesn't really do much beyond stare at itself lovingly in the mirror, though. (Also, the implication that young men today are more socially regressive than young men were in the 60s-80s is hilariously stupid, but the rose-colored light reflecting off the mirror is forever blinding.) I would guarantee that the young men pulling levers for Trump are more socially progressive and open-minded than those who pulled the levers for Kennedy. The issue is not social. It's the economy, stupid.
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The idea that 16+yo men want to just get laid and booze and party their whole lives is not a description of the real lives of human beings but a telling of a Gen X pseudo-memory. A Gen X that sired these exact young men being lamented currently. Built these young men's' worlds around them and now loathe their creation for exactly what it was destined to become.
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It's not me the Democrats are trying to convince. They've got me. If what you're saying is true and the Democrats actually do care about working America and actually do help them, why, with all their billions and experts, are they so bad at convincing them? Is there an answer that doesn't involve us inflating our own sense of self and superiority?
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What is underlined is actually the complete and total truth. What is in bold is bullshit. Trump's horseshit resonates because the underlying truth, "the liberal/DC elites think you're trash", is true. Look at how far beneath us (we Internet liberals) we consider basically this entire country. Look at our patronizing ideology and our refusal to LISTEN to what this nation is telling us over and over and over and over again. Look at our dogged determination to write it all as a story about our Noble Open-Minded Beliefs vs their craven hatred and bigotry and ignore a $7.75 minimum wage, unattainable housing, and unaffordable healthcare. Maybe Trump didn't win because America is ready to don one giant Klan hood and lynch every minority. Maybe Trump won because his competition has nothing to offer America.
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All you chuckleheads coming into CR for the first time in years…
bad_teammate replied to Bateshorn's topic in Cloak Room
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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.
bad_teammate replied to bolverk's topic in Cloak Room
trump is gonna put the election in a big 'ole bag and throw it over his shoulder then he'll tiptoe out of DC with big, exaggerated, high-knee steps, smirking silently
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