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The idea that Jones provides ANY training to his employees or could ever provide “better” training is laughable. That question is a bad sign. The jury doesn’t understand what an unprofessional clusterfuck of reckless incompetence and greed InfoWars is. 

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1 minute ago, lemonlime said:

Does the jury verdict need to be unanimous?  It sounds like the first two questions are from a right wing lunatic juror?  But the rest of the questions are far more rational.

no, this is not criminal, it is civil.  likely just a majority.

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Just now, sidis said:

no, this is not criminal, it is civil.  likely just a majority.

They’re not deciding liability, just amount. So the jury will likely haggle and come up with some number that falls between whatever the two extremes are.

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29 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

he's exactly right in re: client control.  but also b/c with the discovery stuff, that's his professional responsibility and duty.  defense counsel's taking a huge hit personally and professionally.

yo...dude's fucked. 

 

Not sure it was about client control.  I think it was more about "you need to put your malpractice insurer on notice."

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I'm still blown away that InfoWars was pulling in $800k a day at one point. Alex really makes it seem like no one can find his show anymore and he's one bad revenue day away from having to "kneel to the devil worshipping globalists". Hell if this is what cancel culture is like then cancel my ass right now!

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4 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

They’re not deciding liability, just amount. So the jury will likely haggle and come up with some number that falls between whatever the two extremes are.

So is this on punitives?  If there's no question on liability, why is any of this relevant?  Shouldn't it all be about the harm the plaintiffs suffered, not what Jones did?

 

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If I were the plaintiff’s attorney, I would contrast Jones’s crocodile tears and empty promises to do better with his broadcasts DURING THE TRIAL in which he belligerently insulted and spread baseless conspiracy theories about the plaintiffs, the judge, and the jury. 

Do you really believe he won’t do this to some poor parents again? He did it to these parents just this week. And he did it to YOU. 

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3 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

So is this on punitives?  If there's no question on liability, why is any of this relevant?  Shouldn't it all be about the harm the plaintiffs suffered, not what Jones did?

 

What Jones did is relevant to the level of state of mind required to assess punitives, so there’s some crossover of evidence from liability to damages.

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2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

What Jones did is relevant to the level of state of mind required to assess punitives, so there’s some crossover of evidence from liability to damages.

Thanks.  This whole thing seems so weird to me procedurally.  I'm a lawyer, but not in TX, and I've never seen the punitive stuff come into play during the initial trial.  Or that the jury could ask the witnesses questions.

And if I'm recalling correctly, the admission on liability was entered by the court due to Jones not providing discovery, and not because he just admitted liability. But the "good" side of admitting liability from a defense standpoint is that the defendant's motives and stupidity shouldn't be before the jury.

I need to stop spending so much time on this in any event, but I can't look away from this shit show.

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8 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Thanks.  This whole thing seems so weird to me procedurally.  I'm a lawyer, but not in TX, and I've never seen the punitive stuff come into play during the initial trial.  Or that the jury could ask the witnesses questions.

And if I'm recalling correctly, the admission on liability was entered by the court due to Jones not providing discovery, and not because he just admitted liability. But the "good" side of admitting liability from a defense standpoint is that the defendant's motives and stupidity shouldn't be before the jury.

I need to stop spending so much time on this in any event, but I can't look away from this shit show.

Texas lawyer here, and while I admittedly haven’t been following this case as much as others, here’s the basics:

Typically the punitives phase is bifurcated from liability. Among other reasons, we don’t want juries hearing how much money a person or company makes when they’re deciding liability. Same reason we don’t allow juries to hear whether a defendant has liability insurance. I gather that’s the same in your state.

There wasn’t an “admission” of liability per se. The judge issued a judgment on liability by default as a “death penalty” sanction for Jones’s discovery abuse. So the case essentially skipped the liability phase of trial and went straight to damages. 

There’s a high threshold for upholding that kind of death penalty sanction for discovery abuse, and I’m not up to speed on all the shit Jones pulled to warrant that. But I suspect that’s going to be point of error No. 1 on appeal. Judge Gamble is pretty sharp, so hopefully she’s made a strong record for her default judgment to survive appeal.

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6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

There’s a high threshold for upholding that kind of death penalty sanction for discovery abuse, and I’m not up to speed on all the shit Jones pulled to warrant that. But I suspect that’s going to be point of error No. 1 on appeal. Judge Gamble is pretty sharp, so hopefully she’s made a strong record for her default judgment to survive appeal.

For context: jones has drawn this process out over four years, either completely not responding to discovery requests, or returning completely random shit ranging from a 183 page background check on a plaintiff for a DIFFERENT defamation case to child porn (no shit)

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4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

For context: jones has drawn this process out over four years, either completely not responding to discovery requests, or returning completely random shit ranging from a 183 page background check on a plaintiff for a DIFFERENT defamation case to child porn (no shit)

The Court gave Alex plenty of rope. 

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Just now, BrickHorn said:

The Court gave Alex plenty of rope. 

Yep.  The i's were dotted and the t's crossed.  Jones functionally said "fuck you, I dare you to sanction me."  The court said "challenge accepted."

What I don't know for sure is if the Ct. of Appeals can also consider evidence and conduct AFTER the death-penalty sanction was levied in determining that it was warranted/well within the judge's discretion.  For example, Jones openly committing perjury a dozen times today.....that's pretty relevant to his disdain for all rules, and the need to sanction him.

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30 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

The idea that Jones provides ANY training to his employees or could ever provide “better” training is laughable. That question is a bad sign. The jury doesn’t understand what an unprofessional clusterfuck of reckless incompetence and greed InfoWars is. 

23 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

I'm still blown away that InfoWars was pulling in $800k a day at one point. Alex really makes it seem like no one can find his show anymore and he's one bad revenue day away from having to "kneel to the devil worshipping globalists". Hell if this is what cancel culture is like then cancel my ass right now!

I’ve known people who worked on his shows/sites (on the technical side - it was a job,  nothing more, and it was before the Sandy Hook stuff), and they felt that if it was run slightly differently, dialing back the awful shit like Sandy Hook, and if Jones and his buddies were less focused on their own bloviating, and more in tune with outside stuff, including looking at actual shady shit and actual conspiracy stuff, that Jones could have been as big as as Q/Qanon, only without the some of the stigma.  And Jones would have had more than one interview with Trump, and he wouldn’t be facing the loss of everything.

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3 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

is this grounds for ineffective counsel? the giving away of the texts, i mean.

 

1) "ineffective counsel" isn't really a thing in civil matters.  Your remedy there is a malpractice claim against your attorney.

2) it's really hard to complain about your attorney when the complaint is "hey....he produced discoverable information in response to valid discovery requests!"  Yeah, "that SOB followed the rules!" isn't a good complaint in any context.

3) MAYBE he has a complaint about the atty blanket producing info that includes atty-client privileged stuff, but being that opposing counsel 1) didn't use any of it, and 2) followed the rules and informed AJ's lawyer that he may want to claw some of that info back (as is contemplated by the rules), there's probably no harm no foul there, either.

 

TLDR: o the extent AJ is assfucked, he jammed the giant phallus up there himself.  All his attorney did was fail to stop him, and I suspect that was mission impossible anyway.

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16 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

btw, live youtube link:

 

live comments are chef's fucking kiss too

Some are delightful.  We have the stupidest people on earth.

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What type of Kangaroo Court tells the Jury the Defendant is liable before they even hear the case and just asks them to name the amount to pay , will be easily be overturned and Judge arrested

replace the statue of liberty with a statue of Alex. land of the free

Whatever the outcome, at least this judge has been exposed.

JEW KANGAROO COURT

Yet on occasion, one of them gets a glimmer of reality in their vision....

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Sadly Jones waived his rights to a fair trial by refusing to comply with document requests and discovery. It doesn't make a bit of sense to me, why he did that.

Gosh.....I wonder why that is, internet commenter?

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11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

1) "ineffective counsel" isn't really a thing in civil matters.  Your remedy there is a malpractice claim against your attorney.

2) it's really hard to complain about your attorney when the complaint is "hey....he produced discoverable information in response to valid discovery requests!"  Yeah, "that SOB followed the rules!" isn't a good complaint in any context.

3) MAYBE he has a complaint about the atty blanket producing info that includes atty-client privileged stuff, but being that opposing counsel 1) didn't use any of it, and 2) followed the rules and informed AJ's lawyer that he may want to claw some of that info back (as is contemplated by the rules), there's probably no harm no foul there, either.

 

TLDR: o the extent AJ is assfucked, he jammed the giant phallus up there himself.  All his attorney did was fail to stop him, and I suspect that was mission impossible anyway.

I'm a little unclear here.  So, he produced an entire image of Jones' cell phone?  Assuming that was within the scope of requests for production, there's nothing wrong with that.  Jones may not like it, but there may not be much basis for withholding it.

I could see that the phone image might contain attorney-client privileged info and that could be a big issue.  But, like you said, opposing counsel has some obligation to notify producing counsel that there may be privileged stuff and he may want to move the court to claw it back on the basis of inadvertent production.

And, it's all more or less moot if opposing counsel isn't using it, although what constitutes "using" it may be a debate.  It doesn't just mean introducing it as evidence at trial, it could be used for more subtle purposes, like formulating questions.

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3 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Law enforcement gonna love his phone.

 

 

I wonder if this is why he reportedly hauled ass out of the courthouse today. Maybe Jones was rushing to call his criminal defense attorneys.

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