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Didn't watch the podcast, but there are many doctors and researchers who are dumbasses. Type any of his points and I'll respond.

 

If this is about the spike protein being pathogenic and toxic, that simply isn't true. Only pathogens can be pathogenic and the spike protein is not a pathogen. The spike protein also isn't toxic per se. Like many foreign proteins, the spike protein is immunogenic meaning the human body mounts a response against it. This is good and what keeps our species viable. Sometimes the immune response to a protein can go haywire and cause issues but this is not the same as the protein itself doing harm. If the spike protein did cause harm it would be a local issue near the site of injection and the nearest lymph nodes. This is because vaccines mostly remain near the site of injection. Very few people have had localized reactions with the sort of necrosis that a toxic agent would be expected to create. Moreover, the spike protein only stays intact in the human body for a few weeks so whatever toxicity could exist would disappear after that time.

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9 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Didn't watch the podcast, but there are many doctors and researchers who are dumbasses. Type any of his points and I'll respond.

 

If this is about the spike protein being pathogenic and toxic, that simply isn't true. Only pathogens can be pathogenic and the spike protein is not a pathogen. The spike protein also isn't toxic per se. Like many foreign proteins, the spike protein is immunogenic meaning the human body mounts a response against it. This is good and what keeps our species viable. Sometimes the immune response to a protein can go haywire and cause issues but this is not the same as the protein itself doing harm. If the spike protein did cause harm it would be a local issue near the site of injection and the nearest lymph nodes. This is because vaccines mostly remain near the site of injection. Very few people have had localized reactions with the sort of necrosis that a toxic agent would be expected to create. Moreover, the spike protein only stays intact in the human body for a few weeks so whatever toxicity could exist would disappear after that time.

He states there is peer reviewed evidence these spike proteins are not staying in the shoulder, and are entering the blood stream. 

He states these spike proteins can cross the blood brain barrier, and also concentrate in several different organs.

He also states these spike proteins cause blood clots, and other damage to the cardiovascular system.

Like I mentioned, it is a very short clip.  It would be great if you gave it a listen, and could refute his claims. 

 

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23 minutes ago, Somnio said:

He states there is peer reviewed evidence these spike proteins are not staying in the shoulder, and are entering the blood stream. 

He states these spike proteins can cross the blood brain barrier, and also concentrate in several different organs.

He also states these spike proteins cause blood clots, and other damage to the cardiovascular system.

Like I mentioned, it is a very short clip.  It would be great if you gave it a listen, and could refute his claims. 

 

Is this what doing your own research means?

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1 hour ago, Somnio said:

He states there is peer reviewed evidence these spike proteins are not staying in the shoulder, and are entering the blood stream. 

He states these spike proteins can cross the blood brain barrier, and also concentrate in several different organs.

He also states these spike proteins cause blood clots, and other damage to the cardiovascular system.

Like I mentioned, it is a very short clip.  It would be great if you gave it a listen, and could refute his claims. 

 

Why do I have to refute his claims? Isn’t that the job of the CDC?

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2 hours ago, Somnio said:

He states there is peer reviewed evidence these spike proteins are not staying in the shoulder, and are entering the blood stream. 

He states these spike proteins can cross the blood brain barrier, and also concentrate in several different organs.

He also states these spike proteins cause blood clots, and other damage to the cardiovascular system.

Like I mentioned, it is a very short clip.  It would be great if you gave it a listen, and could refute his claims. 

 

Why the fuck would you want the spike proteins to stay in the “shoulder”? They have to be exposed to antigen presenting cells so your body can make some fucking antibodies. That guy is a moron

 

Edit: also, the vaccine doesn’t cause cells in your shoulder to produce the spike proteins. I really doubt that guy is a physician. If he is, he slept through cell biology and immunology

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6 minutes ago, Somnio said:

Fuck you.  This is supposedly a covid-19 discussion thread.  If you don't like to discuss the topic gtfo.

You are too stupid to discuss vaccines. That is why you posted easily searchable misinformation created by anti-vaxx morons and asked people to refute it. 

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Just now, Neonmoon said:

You are too stupid to discuss vaccines. That is why you posted easily searchable misinformation created by anti-vaxx morons and asked people to refute it. 

You are a shitstain who has resorted to personal attacks.  I don't know what's wrong with you, but fuck off and go to hell.

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5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Why the fuck would you want the spike proteins to stay in the “shoulder”? They have to be exposed to antigen presenting cells so your body can make some fucking antibodies. That guy is a moron

 

Edit: also, the vaccine doesn’t cause cells in your shoulder to produce the spike proteins. I really doubt that guy is a physician. If he is, he slept through cell biology and immunology

The info presented by neomoon states it is supposed to stay at the injection site.

But Dr. Adam Ratner, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at NYU Langone Health, said that vaccines are mostly concentrated at the site of injection or the local lymph nodes. 

 

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Also, does the mRNA shot not "teach" your body to fight covid-19 by having your body produce the spike protiens?

Also from info neomoon provided...

However, the vaccine works by teaching the immune system to fight off the spike protien

11 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Edit: also, the vaccine doesn’t cause cells in your shoulder to produce the spike proteins. I really doubt that guy is a physician. If he is, he slept through cell biology and immunology

 

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Just now, Somnio said:

The info presented by neomoon states it is supposed to stay at the injection site.

But Dr. Adam Ratner, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at NYU Langone Health, said that vaccines are mostly concentrated at the site of injection or the local lymph nodes. 

 

 

Local lymph nodes yes. Intramuscular in the deltoid is ridiculous. And “local” lymph nodes for the shoulder would include axillary, supraclavicular and  infraclavicular, anterior and posterior cervical and even suboccipital on that side. And even if some of the spike proteins got into the blood, who gives a shit? There have been literally billions of doses given. If this was a problem we would know about it.

 

You have to be a fucking idiot to think that the medical community/scientific community would either want to or be able to hide any significant number of complications such as organ failure or brain injury or cardiovascular injury due to spike proteins. The only thing a scientist likes as much as discovering something new and great is showing that someone else’s new and great discovery is bullshit.  

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4 minutes ago, Somnio said:

Also, does the mRNA shot not "teach" your body to fight covid-19 by having your body produce the spike protiens?

Also from info neomoon provided...

However, the vaccine works by teaching the immune system to fight off the spike protien

 

Of course it does. What is your point?

The tetanus vaccine “teaches” your body to fight tetanus toxin with a slightly modified tetanus toxin protein. Does this dumb fuck think there is a whole bunch of people with tetanus toxoid poisoning their organs?

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All this anti-vaccine shit is easily refutable. Just Google this shit. But fuck you and fuck you for continuing to spread it. People are dying because pieces of shit like you post this nonsense all over social media and forums this like. 

Fuck you.  This is supposedly a covid-19 discussion thread.  If you don't like to discuss the topic gtfo.


Bad faith bullshit intended to promulgate/continue to spread misinformation that is LITERALLY KILLING PEOPLE shouldn’t get a pass. Anywhere. Ever. You got called on participating in a campaign of deadly misinformation. Boofuckinghoo. You deserve worse than getting pantsed on the internet. You should share the fate of those who are victims of the campaign you are part of. Maybe gasping for breath as a tube is shoved down your throat might convince you to quit the bullshit. Or maybe not. I’m out of shits to give about people like you.
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18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

 


Bad faith bullshit intended to promulgate/continue to spread misinformation that is LITERALLY KILLING PEOPLE shouldn’t get a pass. Anywhere. Ever. You got called on participating in a campaign of deadly misinformation. Boofuckinghoo. You deserve worse than getting pantsed on the internet. You should share the fate of those who are victims of the campaign you are part of. Maybe gasping for breath as a tube is shoved down your throat might convince you to quit the bullshit. Or maybe not. I’m out of shits to give about people like you.

 

 

You're a fascist who wishes death and suffering upon people.  You're why genocide has happened throughout history.  I've seen your vile posts before.  You need help.  Seriously, I'll swallow my pride and pray for you. 

And I will exit this horrid thread of groupthink with these facts.  You all know the mortality rate is extremely low, miniscule actually if you're healthy and not 70 or above.  You all know the symptoms for the vast majority aren't particularly serious, pretty much like a bad case of the flu.  I can't quite understand what has happened to you all, but it really is bizarre.  May I suggest you stop putting your faith in man, institutions of man, and creations of man.  We are in a fallen world,  afterall.  God bless!Screenshot_20211009-182833_Brave.thumb.jpg.2ef3f2175c5571b32502e27aca7c7b0e.jpg

 

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You're a fascist who wishes death and suffering upon people.  You're why genocide has happened throughout history.  I've seen your vile posts before.  You need help.  Seriously, I'll swallow my pride and pray for you. 
And I will exit this horrid thread of groupthink with these facts.  You all know the mortality rate is extremely low, miniscule actually if you're healthy and not 70 or above.  You all know the symptoms for the vast majority aren't particularly serious, pretty much like a bad case of the flu.  I can't quite understand what has happened to you all, but it really is bizarre.  May I suggest you stop putting your faith in man, institutions of man, and creations of man.  We are in a fallen world,  afterall.  God bless!Screenshot_20211009-182833_Brave.thumb.jpg.2ef3f2175c5571b32502e27aca7c7b0e.jpg
 

This is exactly how I expected you to go out. I at least appreciate you finally revealing your true position. Now everyone can see you for what you are.
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21 minutes ago, Somnio said:

You're a fascist who wishes death and suffering upon people.  You're why genocide has happened throughout history.  I've seen your vile posts before.  You need help.  Seriously, I'll swallow my pride and pray for you. 

And I will exit this horrid thread of groupthink with these facts.  You all know the mortality rate is extremely low, miniscule actually if you're healthy and not 70 or above.  You all know the symptoms for the vast majority aren't particularly serious, pretty much like a bad case of the flu.  I can't quite understand what has happened to you all, but it really is bizarre.  May I suggest you stop putting your faith in man, institutions of man, and creations of man.  We are in a fallen world,  afterall.  God bless!Screenshot_20211009-182833_Brave.thumb.jpg.2ef3f2175c5571b32502e27aca7c7b0e.jpg

 

I was trying to be nice but fuck you you piece of shit. One of my best friends from high school died at 49 from this virus. Yes he was unvaccinated from listening to bullshit like you are spewing. One of my wife’s best friends from high school lost her husband age 47. Unvaccinated. Completely preventable deaths. 

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Anti-vax trolls that want to play the God/Jesus card should remember that the wisdom from above is “first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.” If you’re claiming a position of faith and batting below the Mendoza line in checking those boxes, you might want to reflect on the source of your wisdom.

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As for this Byram Bridle PHD, probably in elementary education or ministerial studies from Bob Jones U, his bullshit is debunked all over the internet.

 

Actually, he seems to be a veterinary cancer researcher.  He teaches and researches in the Veterinary College of Guelph U. https://ovc.uoguelph.ca/pathobiology/people/faculty/Byram-W-Bridle

 

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3 hours ago, Mole said:

Oh, I'll take a vet over an MD any day. They gotta be able to cure a lizard, a chicken, a pig, a frog all on the same day.

First, the average entrance GPA is higher for Vet School than Med School in the US. From what I know about this (which is very little), there aren't many vet schools around the country so there aren't many spots for applicants. Second, he didn't go to Vet School as far as I know: He does research at a Vet School as an associate professor. In other words, he is a PhD not DVM.

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On 10/8/2021 at 6:05 AM, Satoshi said:

Weekly Uk survey has some interesting data. Vaccine protects against severe illness as we know, but case rates are higher in vaccinated in most age cohorts. 
 

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Source-https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports

 

My theory:  People who are more cautious were both more likely to follow pre-vaccine precautions and more likely to get the vaccine.  They are also more likely to get tested now if they feel sick.

So more cautious folks didn't get as much disease pre-vaccine but they got out of the bunker post-vaccine and they're now getting breakthrough cases.  And they are more likely to go get a test if that happens.

The less cautious group had more natural immunity pre-vaccine from catching COVID and they are less likely to go get a test now, because that would admit that they were morons not to get the vaccine.  But eventually those that need hospitalization show up in the data.

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35 minutes ago, Texas Jeff said:

My theory:  People who are more cautious were both more likely to follow pre-vaccine precautions and more likely to get the vaccine.  They are also more likely to get tested now if they feel sick.

So more cautious folks didn't get as much disease pre-vaccine but they got out of the bunker post-vaccine and they're now getting breakthrough cases.  And they are more likely to go get a test if that happens.

The less cautious group had more natural immunity pre-vaccine from catching COVID and they are less likely to go get a test now, because that would admit that they were morons not to get the vaccine.  But eventually those that need hospitalization show up in the data.

 

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18 hours ago, Bevo said:

Didn't watch the podcast, but there are many doctors and researchers who are dumbasses. Type any of his points and I'll respond.

 

If this is about the spike protein being pathogenic and toxic, that simply isn't true. Only pathogens can be pathogenic and the spike protein is not a pathogen. The spike protein also isn't toxic per se. Like many foreign proteins, the spike protein is immunogenic meaning the human body mounts a response against it. This is good and what keeps our species viable. Sometimes the immune response to a protein can go haywire and cause issues but this is not the same as the protein itself doing harm. If the spike protein did cause harm it would be a local issue near the site of injection and the nearest lymph nodes. This is because vaccines mostly remain near the site of injection. Very few people have had localized reactions with the sort of necrosis that a toxic agent would be expected to create. Moreover, the spike protein only stays intact in the human body for a few weeks so whatever toxicity could exist would disappear after that time.

What is your medical background?

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https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-technology-business-united-nations-europe-d4aff7ddb273194b312354a57c244ce6

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ROME (AP) — Moderna has no plans to share the recipe for its COVID-19 vaccine because executives have concluded that scaling up the company’s own production is the best way to increase the global supply, the company’s chairman said Monday.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Noubar Afeyan also reiterated a pledge Moderna made a year ago not to enforce patent infringement on anyone else making a coronavirus vaccine during the pandemic.

“We didn’t have to do that,” Afeyan said. ”We think that was the right, responsible thing to do.” He added: “We want that to be helping the world.”

The United Nations health agency has pressed Moderna to share its vaccine formula. Afeyan said the company analyzed whether it would be better to share the messenger RNA technology and determined that it could expand production and deliver billions of additional doses in 2022.

“Within the next six to nine months, the most reliable way to make high-quality vaccines and in an efficient way is going to be if we make them,” Afeyan said. Asked about appeals from the World Health Organization and others, he contended that such pleas assumed ”that we couldn’t get enough capacity, but in fact we know we can.”

 

LMAO.

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On 10/9/2021 at 8:05 PM, Somnio said:

You're a fascist who wishes death and suffering upon people.  You're why genocide has happened throughout history.  I've seen your vile posts before.  You need help.  Seriously, I'll swallow my pride and pray for you. 

And I will exit this horrid thread of groupthink with these facts.  You all know the mortality rate is extremely low, miniscule actually if you're healthy and not 70 or above.  You all know the symptoms for the vast majority aren't particularly serious, pretty much like a bad case of the flu.  I can't quite understand what has happened to you all, but it really is bizarre.  May I suggest you stop putting your faith in man, institutions of man, and creations of man.  We are in a fallen world,  afterall.  God bless!Screenshot_20211009-182833_Brave.thumb.jpg.2ef3f2175c5571b32502e27aca7c7b0e.jpg

 

Oh you're a religious nut.  Got it.   Poor, stupid sonofabitch.

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43 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

I don’t remember ever seeing this info until today.

Just read that over 1/3 of COVID patients do not develop any antibodies.

So much for the natural immunity argument.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/09/05/36-of-those-who-had-covid-19-didnt-develop-antibodies-study-says/amp/

Super-small sample size.  Not that I discount that sort of result as a possibility, I'd just like to see a more rigorous study with a larger sample.

That said, the point remains, the best way to knock this fucker down is to saturate the population with vaccines that are proven to be safe and effective.  But we won't do that, because we're SO.  FUCKING.  STUPID.

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Holy crap! This thread took a serious turn to stupid. Not sure if threat banning Somnio is needed. Assuming we are semi educated adults, I’m not worried about misinformation sticking on this website. The social media and family reunion conversations are where people are getting poisoned with disinformation and subsequently dying and spreading disease to others for misguided beliefs. Now that BS is spilling to flu vaccine hesitancy. Just great!

As for surly, we can point and laugh at the trolls. Just don’t feed them.

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6 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

Holy crap! This thread took a serious turn to stupid. Not sure if threat banning Somnio is needed. Assuming we are semi educated adults, I’m not worried about misinformation sticking on this website. The social media and family reunion conversations are where people are getting poisoned with disinformation and subsequently dying and spreading disease to others for misguided beliefs. Now that BS is spilling to flu vaccine hesitancy. Just great!

As for surly, we can point and laugh at the trolls. Just don’t feed them.

You need to keep up -- it's spilling into ALL vaccines.  And not just hesitancy, but outright bans on ANYPLACE requiring them, with such bans having the force of law.  Good luck not having fucking polio make a comeback.

We have leadership that is making being anti-vax, ALL VAXES, a central tenet of their governing philosophy.  It's getting worse, across the board.  It's all falling apart.  The worst-case scenario happens to be matching up to reality rather perfectly. 

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