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1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

well played.  That's a great factoid to know for bar bets that I remember from some PoliSci class.  The guy's name just sounds like was President sometime between the Civil War and WWI.  But he lost three times, including the same race (1896) three times because he changed parties twice.  

Trump will lose the popular vote three times which will match WJB, but he'll still have won the 2016 EC.  But WJB also wasn't impeached twice.  But he was respected by multiple parties, was an accomplished statesman, and by all accounts a man of family and faith.  

However, the common thread of Bryan and Trump is spine-tingling.  The little I remember reading about him is Menken considered Bryan to be the originator of southern anti-intellectualism.  Not just Jim Crow and voter suppression, but a full on rejection of facts and information in exchange for more comforting narratives and cautionary tales about the educated coming to exploit the common man.  What many blame on Bush, or Reagan, or even Trump really started with Bryan.  Over a century ahead of his time, and oh yeah---Trump and Bryan were both Florida real estate "developers"    

But Bryan lost three times, and there is no historical record that be bitched and moaned and called the elections into question.  He took it like an adult and continued his public service.  

Fun Brisketexan fact: I am actually related to two prominent figures in American presidential history......

William Jennings Bryan

and

John Wilkes Booth

 

Yeesh.  Pretty solid lineage I've got going on there.

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8 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

A lot of the numbnuts who think Trump accomplished a lot as President just heard him crowing all the time about how much he accomplished when he really didn’t accomplish much at all. But those are the same dupes who listened to Trump saying how bad the economy was and they believed him. Then immediately after he was elected, Trump started acknowledging how great the economy (already) was (Thanks, Obama) and they figured Trump must have done something good.

Trump just speaks whatever reality he wants them to believe into existence and they fall for it. Then he tried doing that with the coronavirus but you can’t speak a pandemic out of existence and hundreds of thousands of Americans died needlessly because they believed him when he said it was a hoax and would magically disappear. It’s not a coincidence that vaccination rates are lower and Covid death rates are higher in red states than in blue states.

As for #2, he didn’t just use federal funds to build his wall, he declared a state of emergency and diverted funds from the defense budget to build his wall. And how much wall did he actually build? Not much. The vast majority of building went to replace, refurbish, or enhance existing wall. The last figure I saw from Jan 2019 was that only 47 miles of new wall were built where there was no wall before.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46748492

Illegal immigration actually increased under Trump and he did nothing to stem the flow of illegal drugs (much of which is smuggled in through legal ports of entry anyway).

As for #7, let’s spell it out. He created a record trade deficit with China. He was anti-free trade, something Republicans are supposed to be for. And he compensated farmers hurt by his tariffs by doling out billions in aid. That’s something the Republicans usually like to refer to as socialism. Of course that aid went disproportionately to corporate farms over small family farms.

Yeah....but he really pissed of tha libz, and that's the most important policy of all!

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19 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

As for #7, let’s spell it out. He created a record trade deficit with China. He was anti-free trade, something Republicans are supposed to be for. And he compensated farmers hurt by his tariffs by doling out billions in aid. That’s something the Republicans usually like to refer to as socialism. Of course that aid went disproportionately to corporate farms over small family farms.

The farmer bailout was bigger than the 2008 auto bailout. I remember my Econ 101 teacher saying something like only fucking idiots think trade wars are winnable. 

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10 hours ago, Victor Lazlo said:

I know better than to post in this forum because I don’t think the way most here do.

BUT, you are wrong about 2024.

Look, I’m a republican and voted for Trump. I liked a lot of the policies that he implemented. I don’t want to debate those here, that’s not why I’m posting.

To your point - Trump is toast among virtually every republican that I know, which is a big percentage of everyone in my orbit. He’s lost all goodwill that he ever had.

We don’t want to deal with all of his bullshit anymore. I think that is going to be reflected in national polling too. He doesn’t know it yet, but he is done.

Of course, you probably know this, but Desantis is going to be the guy everyone rallies behind.

Strong "I like fascists who don't lose" energy here.

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3 hours ago, Js1 said:

He's gunning for a new record - William Jennings Bryan lost 3 times (1896, 1900, 1908).

 

 

Add another circle to the Venn diagram!

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

I was just going for major party candidates.

Debs ran 4 times, including once from prison (1904, 1908, 1912, 1920).  

He never won more than 913k votes, never got more than 6% of the vote and never won a single electoral vote. 

 

Of course, Trump could also try running from prison, or he can be Teddy Roosevelt 2.0, call the primary rigged and then run third party

 

 

And another!

 

Damn, is a five way Venn diagram even possible?

 

 

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Also, interesting comment from 538 today.  Basically arguing that the more beatable Trump looks, the more Rs jump in, the less the electorate can coalesce around one guy.   

 

nrakich: So this is obviously a very voguish pick right now, with DeSantis leading several early primary polls, but I personally think Trump is still the more likely nominee. Take a closer look at the polls that show DeSantis ahead: They’re almost all head-to-head pollsbetween him and Trump. But I’m skeptical that the GOP primaries will actually be head-to-head races. Plenty of other candidates have showninterest in running, and it’s kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy: If Trump looks weak enough to beat, that will encourage more candidates to jump into the race, which in turn increases the odds that Trump wins. Because when you look at polls between Trump, DeSantis, and a handful of otherRepublicans, Trump is usually ahead

 

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4 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Also, interesting comment from 538 today.  Basically arguing that the more beatable Trump looks, the more Rs jump in, the less the electorate can coalesce around one guy.   

 

nrakich: So this is obviously a very voguish pick right now, with DeSantis leading several early primary polls, but I personally think Trump is still the more likely nominee. Take a closer look at the polls that show DeSantis ahead: They’re almost all head-to-head pollsbetween him and Trump. But I’m skeptical that the GOP primaries will actually be head-to-head races. Plenty of other candidates have showninterest in running, and it’s kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy: If Trump looks weak enough to beat, that will encourage more candidates to jump into the race, which in turn increases the odds that Trump wins. Because when you look at polls between Trump, DeSantis, and a handful of otherRepublicans, Trump is usually ahead

 

Very insightful. Trump has a fixed base of support and it’s a large chunk of the GOP electorate at this point. One of those polls had Trump at 45%, Desantis at 30%, and the field splitting the rest. So the GOP could be 55% Never Trumpers but it’s also 45% Only Trumpers.

Hopefully that fucks them in 2024. Either they nominate Trump and the undecideds kick his ass along with the GOP congressional slate. Or they nominate Not Trump and he has a hissy fit and 45% of the GOP voters are pissed off, leading many to stay home or write-in for Trump or spite vote against non-MAGA candidates.

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3 hours ago, Js1 said:

He's gunning for a new record - William Jennings Bryan lost 3 times (1896, 1900, 1908).

Yes, but WBJ was 47/48 when he lost in '08.   Trump would be 82 in '28.  However, Trumpers won't be able to distinguish the drool and spittle coming from his dementia ridden face because he looks and sounds like them?

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FWIW there's a credible argument that Bryan didn't argue against evolution because "hurr durr monkeys ain't people." Social Darwinism was prevalent and used to justify the wealthy gutting social welfare, labor reform, and anything else that threatened robber baron profits. Unlike Trump (what a terrible comparison) or Mencken, Bryan gave a shit about the impoverished and powerless.  Mencken promoted drivel from Ayn Rand and Nietzsche.

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09505430802062885

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39 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I think Desantis has a bit of the same benefit that Biden had.  He is lackluster and uninspiring, but he feels like he’s not going to be objectionable to any faction within the GOP.  Biden was always the safe choice for the same reason in a field full of Bernie, Liz, and Buttigieg.  

The benefit Biden had is that people have known who he was for 40 years. He’s a decent, affable, likable fellow who Trump couldn’t stick a label on. Unlike against the Clintons, the right hadn’t spent decades waging a campaign of character assassination against Joe Biden.

Nobody ever heard of Ron DeSantis until several years ago. And he’s decided that what worked for Trump is what works now. So he’s following the Trump playbook of campaigning on ignorance, fear, intolerance, and hate. No one on the right wants a “safe” choice. They want someone who will hurt the right people. Those who’ve decided they don’t want Trump anymore still want Trump, just by another name. DeSantis fits that bill. Those who still want Trump will settle for DeSantis if they can’t have Trump figuring he’s Trumpy enough. 

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24 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


And very normal

im much more concerned with the huge issue of women (particularly step moms and sisters) getting stuck in dryers / large appliances. It’s damn epidemic !

I JUST WATCHED THAT EPISODE

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why do the pubs always lay out small sample size anecdotal evidence and then seem so shocked when it doesn't mean shit?

when someone like jordan klepper asks trumpers why they know the election was stolen, they're always like, "i didn't vote for biden, nobody i know voted for biden, how could he have gotten more votes than trump??!!"  meanwhile, these people are living in information silo echo chambers (by design) so of course they never see or hear from any biden voters.

now we hear that "as a group, we've moved on from trump, we're all about desantis now, at least all the republicans i talk to, because he's basically trump in a more refined package."  lolol.  i really hope they believe that, because that will lead to the infighting that will bring down the maga party. 

desantis knows he needs trump's mouth-breathers to win anything, and those people will not vote for anyone else.  they didn't show up in the midterms when trump campaigned with and for candidates, and they won't show up to vote for desantis (fresh off a beating of your favorite president, better than lincoln) even if trump stood next to him and said "that's my guy".

spoiler alert - he will never ever ever do that.

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1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

desantis knows he needs trump's mouth-breathers to win anything, and those people will not vote for anyone else.  they didn't show up in the midterms when trump campaigned with and for candidates, and they won't show up to vote for desantis (fresh off a beating of your favorite president, better than lincoln) even if trump stood next to him and said "that's my guy".

While I think this may be likely, it's also very dangerous to assume.  The Dems cannot afford a low turnout because they (or independents) think that all is good and well as long as dotard isn't the nominee.  It's fucking annoying, but the Rs have shown they are NOT going "back" to a more realistic "conservative" dogma, so the rest of us HAVE to keep fighting the good fight.

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19 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

While I think this may be likely, it's also very dangerous to assume.  The Dems cannot afford a low turnout because they (or independents) think that all is good and well as long as dotard isn't the nominee.  It's fucking annoying, but the Rs have shown they are NOT going "back" to a more realistic "conservative" dogma, so the rest of us HAVE to keep fighting the good fight.

are you worried about my lack of focusness?

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49 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

why do the pubs always lay out small sample size anecdotal evidence and then seem so shocked when it doesn't mean shit?

when someone like jordan klepper asks trumpers why they know the election was stolen, they're always like, "i didn't vote for biden, nobody i know voted for biden, how could he have gotten more votes than trump??!!"  meanwhile, these people are living in information silo echo chambers (by design) so of course they never see or hear from any biden voters.

now we hear that "as a group, we've moved on from trump, we're all about desantis now, at least all the republicans i talk to, because he's basically trump in a more refined package."  lolol.  i really hope they believe that, because that will lead to the infighting that will bring down the maga party. 

desantis knows he needs trump's mouth-breathers to win anything, and those people will not vote for anyone else.  they didn't show up in the midterms when trump campaigned with and for candidates, and they won't show up to vote for desantis (fresh off a beating of your favorite president, better than lincoln) even if trump stood next to him and said "that's my guy".

spoiler alert - he will never ever ever do that.

anecdotal reply to your anecdotes about anecdotes.  That is a new buzzword i am reading/hearing all the time about DeSantis before a more refined version of Trump.  Da fuh does that mean?  The billionaire, Ivy League educated, continental man about town is suddenly not as refined as a short veteran who gets his suits at Kohl's?  Trump's homes are literally made of gold...how much more refined can he be?

Oh wait, maybe they meant the way he speaks and carries himself and his horrendous lifestyle?  Isn't that what people fell in love with in the first place re: Trump?  He speaks like us!  He acts like us!  He thinks like us!  He cheats and harasses like us!  Suddenly, that's not cool anymore?  Or was it not ever kosher?  I think watching their tradeoff/transition in real time from Trump to DeSantis is going to literally injure some of them. 

It's like going from your favorite reliever in John Rocker to Mitch Williams.  Mitch just seems so much more elegant and sophisticated.   Rocker was our greatest reliever and saved baseball, but Mitch can be even better since he's more refined.  

We're two weeks away from Trump being the "Poor man's President" and DeSantis being "The thinking man's President."  Neither of course are true, but watching the parabolic loop of shit unfold kinda warms my heart. 

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

I try not to judge porn fetishes, because... you know..... but, I don't get "stuck" porn at all. 

America is in a weird place. When step moms get their hand stuck in a dryer the first course of action is to, uh ... rape her, I guess. And how are they getting stuck in couches and appliances with such frequency? But still, even before we address so many hand trap designs in the manufacturing process, I think the first step is to simply stop raping whomever gets stuck. Start there. 

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13 hours ago, Victor Lazlo said:

I know better than to post in this forum because I don’t think the way most here do.

BUT, you are wrong about 2024.

Look, I’m a republican and voted for Trump. I liked a lot of the policies that he implemented. I don’t want to debate those here, that’s not why I’m posting.

To your point - Trump is toast among virtually every republican that I know, which is a big percentage of everyone in my orbit. He’s lost all goodwill that he ever had.

We don’t want to deal with all of his bullshit anymore. I think that is going to be reflected in national polling too. He doesn’t know it yet, but he is done.

Of course, you probably know this, but Desantis is going to be the guy everyone rallies behind.

 

8 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

“We don’t want to deal with all his bullshit anymore.”

I’m curious what the final straw was. He’s the same racist, immoral, dumb, terrible businessman he’s always been so why now?

 

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54 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Oh wait, maybe they meant the way he speaks and carries himself and his horrendous lifestyle?  Isn't that what people fell in love with in the first place re: Trump?  He speaks like us!  He acts like us!  He thinks like us!  He cheats and harasses like us!  Suddenly, that's not cool anymore?  Or was it not ever kosher?  I think watching their tradeoff/transition in real time from Trump to DeSantis is going to literally injure some of them. 

yes, this is the point.  they've convinced themselves it's some kind of upgrade.  it's all of the hate without the trumpyness. 

it's idiotic and it won't work.  but shush about it.

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4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Fun Brisketexan fact: I am actually related to two prominent figures in American presidential history......

William Jennings Bryan

and

John Wilkes Booth

 

Yeesh.  Pretty solid lineage I've got going on there.

Given to lost causes and a bit of drama, but handy with a pistol? You could do worse.

We Canecuttuhs are country cousins to The Hon. Wm Rufus DeVane King, suh, briefly Vice-President after taking his oath in Cuba before his tubercular decline back home 45 days later. A close friend of Buchanan, like, a close friend, his "fastidious habits and conspicuous intimacy with the bachelor Buchanan gave rise to some cruel jibes."

I bet he could give room service a jangle, and have them send up some étoufée.

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5 hours ago, TexasEd said:

Laid the basis for current inflation with the short sighted stimulus packages that were too large and were another crony grift

trump's real trigger for that was him getting OPEC to cut production by nearly 10% of global supply. 

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2 hours ago, YGIFS said:

anecdotal reply to your anecdotes about anecdotes.  That is a new buzzword i am reading/hearing all the time about DeSantis before a more refined version of Trump.  Da fuh does that mean?  The billionaire, Ivy League educated, continental man about town is suddenly not as refined as a short veteran who gets his suits at Kohl's?  Trump's homes are literally made of gold...how much more refined can he be?

Oh wait, maybe they meant the way he speaks and carries himself and his horrendous lifestyle?  Isn't that what people fell in love with in the first place re: Trump?  He speaks like us!  He acts like us!  He thinks like us!  He cheats and harasses like us!  Suddenly, that's not cool anymore?  Or was it not ever kosher?  I think watching their tradeoff/transition in real time from Trump to DeSantis is going to literally injure some of them. 

It's like going from your favorite reliever in John Rocker to Mitch Williams.  Mitch just seems so much more elegant and sophisticated.   Rocker was our greatest reliever and saved baseball, but Mitch can be even better since he's more refined.  

We're two weeks away from Trump being the "Poor man's President" and DeSantis being "The thinking man's President."  Neither of course are true, but watching the parabolic loop of shit unfold kinda warms my heart. 

It would be like Tiger King vs a copy of Tiger King without the bleached mullet and nut hugger pants.  The second one would definitely be more refined.

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Agreed in general, and certainly agree with the posts highlighting that there is no policy to the Republican Party now other than finding grievances against libs.   On this list, though, I actually would say the Democrats were more responsible for the current inflation with stimulus packages that were too large.  Republicans agreed on PPP and the initial packages during 2020, but Democrats were the ones pushing for more relief rather than less and the ones who came back during Biden's term with the infrastructure package that even moderate Clinton-era Democrat figures thought was a bad idea given the coming inflation.  It would be nice if we had a reasonable conservative party who didn't want authoritarian rule to impose bizarre anti-intellectual cultural grievance politics as its prime directive.

The Dems gave the world a stimulus package to cause global inflation?

The Dems sided with big business to consolidate global markets, gut antitrust law, and mitigate consumer choice and transparency? Thus, allowing big business to retain inflationary pricing without consequences.
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7 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

On this list, though, I actually would say the Democrats were more responsible for the current inflation with stimulus packages that were too large.  Republicans agreed on PPP and the initial packages during 2020, but Democrats were the ones pushing for more relief rather than less and the ones who came back during Biden's term with the infrastructure package that even moderate Clinton-era Democrat figures thought was a bad idea given the coming inflation.  It would be nice if we had a reasonable conservative party who didn't want authoritarian rule to impose bizarre anti-intellectual cultural grievance politics as its prime directive

This is a pretty great @TahoeHorn impersonation. Inflation and employment are are the real time or fast twitch result  of presidential action, but the consequences of massive debt-funded tax stimulus are somehow always over the horizon. 

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4 hours ago, Chooky said:

America is in a weird place. When step moms get their hand stuck in a dryer the first course of action is to, uh ... rape her, I guess. And how are they getting stuck in couches and appliances with such frequency? But still, even before we address so many hand trap designs in the manufacturing process, I think the first step is to simply stop raping whomever gets stuck. Start there. 

If you were paying attention, you’d have noticed in each instance that the stepmom starts out scared and confused but winds up very into it. The taboo aspect of it becomes a real turn on, and it becomes their little secret. Women love dirty little secrets. 
 

anyway, develop some stamina and maybe you would make it to that act of the story arc. 

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9 hours ago, Js1 said:

I was just going for major party candidates.

Debs ran 4 times, including once from prison (1904, 1908, 1912, 1920). 

Ah... Major party candidates. I grew up with jokes about Lyndon LaRouche's 8 losses (including two from prison?) 

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