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On 9/23/2021 at 1:08 PM, elfenix said:

back when i took labor economics in ~2000 or so the statistics said go elsewhere every ~2 years your first ~10 years in the biz in order to get ahead. 

 

On 9/23/2021 at 1:20 PM, Js1 said:

No you don't get it, you have to be LOYAL to your employer so they can continue to pay you less than what you're worth on the open market. 

 

On 9/23/2021 at 1:33 PM, Sbbruin said:

Yes, and that's exactly what I did.  From 23-29 I bounced 5 times.  Then just once more at 36.  

  Yes, leveraging your current job is the tried and true way to make more money. Companies these days aren't putting their employees on the escalator. The internally promote for as low as they can get you and then you spend your whole career chasing the money you should've been making. Sad but that's how it is. People are numbers on a spread sheet.

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

 

  Yes, leveraging your current job is the tried and true way to make more money. Companies these days aren't putting their employees on the escalator. The internally promote for as low as they can get you and then you spend your whole career chasing the money you should've been making. Sad but that's how it is. People are numbers on a spread sheet.

for the vast majority of employees, they are capped at 1-2 promotions with an employer. Of course there are the stories of the CEO or COO that received 8 promotions in their career by age 50 but obviously those are the extremes.

However if you're will to jump jobs, and are somewhat capable, you can find opportunities where your role and responsibilities continue to grow.  

I've worked at very large corps where senior mgmt has already explicitly defined your growth at 1 or even 0 promotions, so you will get 0 opportunities until you can convince someone high up to change that #. Once that # is set, someone has to go to bat for you. You have to leave in order to get a promotion with another employer.

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13 minutes ago, Storm the Field said:

Having watched my wife get ghosted about 7-8 times during a 6-month job search last year, I could give jack shit all about companies whining about the shoe being on the other foot.

I'm not talking basic crap like no response to an application. I'm talking, phone screen with HR, initial zoom interview with someone in the department, follow up in-person interview with the boss and then "We need to fill this position ASAP. We've got 2 more candidates we're interviewing this week, but will let you know something by COB Friday." Absolutely nothing thereafter, no calls, no emails. Sometimes the same position would get re-posted a few weeks or months later. 

Enjoy your fucking comeuppance.

I've heard enough stories like this, that you really have to take care of yourself at all costs. The worst is when future (or even current) employers ask you for commitments that they themselves won't reciprocate.  "I can't make this offer unless you promise me that you will stop looking at other open jobs."  Sure, whatever you want to hear.

I do think you should have personal integrity even if the employer does not. Would I just not show up to work one day? I don't see myself doing that. Would I accept a job but then take another, better offer a few weeks later? Absolutely. 

 

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35 minutes ago, Storm the Field said:

Having watched my wife get ghosted about 7-8 times during a 6-month job search last year, I could give jack shit all about companies whining about the shoe being on the other foot.

I'm not talking basic crap like no response to an application. I'm talking, phone screen with HR, initial zoom interview with someone in the department, follow up in-person interview with the boss and then "We need to fill this position ASAP. We've got 2 more candidates we're interviewing this week, but will let you know something by COB Friday." Absolutely nothing thereafter, no calls, no emails. Sometimes the same position would get re-posted a few weeks or months later. 

Enjoy your fucking comeuppance.

Usually a hiring manager saying "find me a unicorn candidate" (that doesn't exist) so they keep trying instead of hiring someone who is 90% good for the role instead of 100%

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Just now, Js1 said:

Usually a hiring manager saying "find me a unicorn candidate" (that doesn't exist) so they keep trying instead of hiring someone who is 90% good for the role instead of 100%

In my wife's case it was most likely "find someone with her experience and skills but 10 years younger and half the expected salary."

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Came to this thread curious about why Wolfgang Puck warrants 16 pages.  I read the last page and a half and came away with a whole new appreciation for my career.  There’s no way I could put up with the corporate rat-race shenanigans.  A couple years of trying to decode all the unwritten etiquette and tightrope the line between self-preservation and decency… the whole thing sounds demoralizing.  

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24 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

Came to this thread curious about why Wolfgang Puck warrants 16 pages.  I read the last page and a half and came away with a whole new appreciation for my career.  There’s no way I could put up with the corporate rat-race shenanigans.  A couple years of trying to decode all the unwritten etiquette and tightrope the line between self-preservation and decency… the whole thing sounds demoralizing.  

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37 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Usually a hiring manager saying "find me a unicorn candidate" (that doesn't exist) so they keep trying instead of hiring someone who is 90% good for the role instead of 100%

Yep my team is currently getting fucked on this. We had some internal personality conflicts with some of the guys that have been here over 8 years vs the new guys, they got tired of it and the 3 smartest mfers on our team left this month and now we are scrambling and fucked just trying to keep Band-Aids on shit because they were unicorns and we got lucky. My leadership has been pushing the silo mentality of know your lane and focus on that only, well that is great and all until the people that know the shit you don't leave and the older guys are not trying to learn anything new. Now they want to only hire 2 people for those 3 that left and we will not get the skillset they had for the money. I mean the money is pretty good but if I was them I wouldn't join this shit show unless I was desperate. Managers/Directors are morons

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1 minute ago, Foosters said:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the statement that millennials only work to "fund their lifestyle."

I'm pretty sure everyone, since paid labor first came about, is working for that reason.

Yeah wtf does that mean? Millennials work to pay bills, student loan debt, groceries, gas, etc. and Gen X and Boomers don’t? Do they get all that for free, 

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kinda a whole different topic but just getting HR/recruitment to allow us to post a job with an appropriate title was an exercise in futility. We had 600 TB of sql databases and had a critical business need for a dedicated database administrator. They fucking would not move off of posting some stupid shit like "lead application quality specialist" or something. Which sucks even if you are just hiring for a sysadmin. We kept getting garbage results and finally just cut them out and posted an ad ourselves, rapidly hired a guy who kicked ass until Amazon stole him.

actually I guess that's on topic from a job hunting perspective. It is super frustrating how closely you have to read a job posting to determine what it is that they are actually looking for.

 

2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the statement that millennials only work to "fund their lifestyle."

I'm pretty sure everyone, since paid labor first came about, is working for that reason.

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7 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the statement that millennials only work to "fund their lifestyle."

I'm pretty sure everyone, since paid labor first came about, is working for that reason.

They mean they are not motivated to work for the McMansion and nice cars.  If they can meet their bills working at the muffin shop, they don’t want to put in the extra effort to be muffin shop manager.  My read anyway. 

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On 6/19/2022 at 7:08 PM, Celery Man said:

Also for the original story, if not responding or ceasing to respond to recruiters counts (as indicated) then guilty as charged. I swear some of those people are just data mining.

I'm not counting recruiters.  Most of the recruiter stuff I was seeing at least 2-3 years ago was contract spots paying less than my full-time gig.  Made me realize I needed to up my resume to reflect where I am now and take off some historical experience.

 

23 hours ago, Snake Diggity said:

Generally, employers have earned the contempt of workers by treating their employees as replaceable for decades.  It’s very telling how many people in management/ownership roles appear to be longing for a deep recession and high unemployment so that they can turn the table back around and start treating people poorly again.

Employees expecting flexible schedules, competitive pay, full bennies, and manageable workloads isn’t unreasonable.  It’s been a long time coming.

Ugh, I heard an executive say something to this effect.  Not truly sociopathic but more of a "we've had employees leaving for these short term paydays at startup x, y, and z, and when those startups crash and burn they come back for stability.  If we have a recession maybe our turnover rate will drop."

 

22 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

We can also discuss a few of the shitty HR practices that absolutely happen at every company 

1. Posting jobs to determine the amount of interest in said job to determine if they should give the current employee a raise. 

2. Posting a job when they already have the person they want to hire internally but just post it because it's required. 

3. Firing older employees that have bigger salaries so they can rehire new entry employees 6 months later for same job at half the price. 

 

Bingo. #1 I think a lot of it is also that when people quit they try to pawn the work off on other people internally without hiring or giving them a raise. 

#2 It's a law in some states (Colorado?)

I've been affected by the opposite of #3 where I was doing the job of a level above me (4 programs run the same way and I was the only one at the lower level with the worst boss by every measure.  I took an internal transfer to the higher level and they had to bring in someone at the higher level to fill the old role.  I was shafted out of 12 months of the higher pay)

 

21 hours ago, Celery Man said:

that's why you have to find yourself a girl who is smart but grew up poor and has daddy issues. hopefully.

A girl with a short skirt and a loooong jacket.

21 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

Job hopping is the tried and true way to get more money, for sure. Can't fault anyone for doing that and I don't see that as a problem at all. If companies don't like it or see it as a problem, they can always pay more. Not to get too off-topic but it's like what others are saying about the Saudi-backed LIV tour money-whipping these golfers with a platform and name brand. if the PGA doesn't like it, pay more.

Since the beginning of fiat currency the same has always been held to be true for everyone: Money talks, BS walks. This is why the funniest and most true things the youngest cohort of workers are saying resonates with me when they say "Keep your free beer and ping pong tables and other stupid perks I don't care about and pay me more cash money."

I did not have anyone coaching me on this in my 20s and it killed me.  I needed a mentor in a bad way but didn't know it.  By accident I left my first job out of college to leave DC and go to Texas and got a bump in salary and lower cost of living.  Went through a great rise in the company to middle management.  12 years in I was one of the most productive in bringing in new business (40% of revenue and probably 60% of profit) but got passed over for a serious raise and bonus I felt I earned due to for the revenue/profit.  Told my boss he needed to address it but he did not take it up with his boss and I got a 40% raise leaving a few months later. I think my boss may have felt threatened but at the same time the higher ups had probably had decided I was going to be a lifer making money for them.  I should have learned from that and parlayed that bump to another one 3 later in but stayed 8 and was the only one on my team doing what needed to get done to actually get checks from our customers.  Turned out being competent at that company made you a target.

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3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I've worked at very large corps where senior mgmt has already explicitly defined your growth at 1 or even 0 promotions, so you will get 0 opportunities until you can convince someone high up to change that #. Once that # is set, someone has to go to bat for you. You have to leave in order to get a promotion with another employer.

I’ve worked at only 1 place where that was explicit.  It was not the only, but a major reason I left. It was compounded by then not being an American based company, and all of the exec mgt immigrated here.  Every single one of them. 

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I come across shit on LinkedIn everyday that just reminds me of how ass-backwards American corporate culture is. People constantly making it abundantly obvious that they can barely conceal their glee at the thought of going back to having work be as shitty as possible.

Typical comment on some article about Elon Musk or some other knob-head CEO bitching about lazy employees working from home:

"Listen up whiners, you may have enjoyed the last 2 years of having it easy, but your entitled asses are about to learn. Now that the government money hose is shutting off, companies won't be bending over backwards for you any more. And if you don't like it, suck it up and start your own companies, snowflakes!"

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I worked at a small company (~55 employees) at my previous job. The pay wasn't as good as I could have got elsewhere, but I enjoyed the job and the people I worked for. They were flexible with my schedule when my wife was pregnant so I could go to her OBGYN appointments, etc.

So I'm coming up on the anniversary of my starting date and due for a raise. The small company gets sold to a big multinational company that was expanding into our field. I get told this company does all its raises at the same time and I have to wait 6 months. The flexibility in hours went away. They laid off a bunch of upper management. I went from 5th in charge of my department to second (people left and just weren't replaced).

Fast forward to raise time. My boss, who was great, tells me he had to move some money around but wanted to give me a big enough raise to get me above a guy who had worked under me, but just got hired to my same position. It seems I had been getting paid below the company's minimum for that position since they bought us. I left a few months later for a job making twice what I was making before.

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