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19 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

If in fact Urban's "bag money" ultimatum is true, then I'm glad things worked out the way they did.  What we're doing with NIL is above board.  Move on.

NIL wasn't really a thing during these negotiations so bag money was the go to for schools at the time. NIL now is changing things.


Having Urban unify the NIL the way it should be would be sick, especially since he knows the other game.

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

NIL wasn't really a thing during these negotiations so bag money was the go to for schools at the time. NIL now is changing things.

Uh, that's my point.  We avoided the explicit bag money demands, and were relieved of that burden by NIL.

No school will be able to compete with us when we combine NIL + regional recruiting base.  It's a new era.

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Uh, that's my point.  We avoided the explicit bag money demands, and were relieved of that burden by NIL.

No school will be able to compete with us when we combine NIL + regional recruiting base.  It's a new era.

uhh...wrong

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30 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

If in fact Urban's "bag money" ultimatum is true, then I'm glad things worked out the way they did.  What we're doing with NIL is above board.  Move on.

Do you remember the outcry that occurred when NIL was announced and the AD was caught completely flat-footed?

Do you think that would have happened with Urban in charge?

GTFO if you’re happy we didn’t get Urban. 

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7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Uh, that's my point.  We avoided the explicit bag money demands, and were relieved of that burden by NIL.

No school will be able to compete with us when we combine NIL + regional recruiting base.  It's a new era.

You don’t have a point. Just like we don’t have Urban Meyer as our head coach.

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4 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Do you remember the outcry that occurred when NIL was announced and the AD was caught completely flat-footed?

Do you think that would have happened with Urban in charge?

GTFO if you’re happy we didn’t get Urban. 

yup yup

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9 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Do you remember the outcry that occurred when NIL was announced and the AD was caught completely flat-footed?

Do you think that would have happened with Urban in charge?

GTFO if you’re happy we didn’t get Urban. 

Where do you see Meyer coaching next?

Posted
1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

How are we doing with NIL at this point?

I can guarantee you we'd be further along than we currently are with Urban at the helm. We also wouldn't have had to rely on guys like CTJ, Imma, Sydney, RGB3, and others to pretty much show the university how this shit needs to be done.

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I can guarantee you we'd be further along than we currently are with Urban at the helm. We also wouldn't have had to rely on guys like CTJ, Imma, Sydney, RGB3, and others to pretty much show the university how this shit needs to be done.

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Lol

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Just now, immamac said:

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Lol

We'd have not gone 5-7. Would have been a lot less work for you guys too.

So good for everyone? It was definitely a compliment for you guys and all the work yall did to get this shit into gear and not rely on t-shirt sales lol.

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I guess some people just aren't as Machiavellian as others.  Carry on.

Translation:  fuck no to Urban Meyer, and I said it then. I care about my degree.

wtf does a football coach have to do with your degree? absolutely fucking nothing. You'd be lined up getting your national championship memorabilia if he won one at texas. so stfu with all this muh degree will not be tarnished by the football program shit.

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

wtf does a football coach have to do with your degree? absolutely fucking nothing. You'd be lined up getting your national championship memorabilia if he won one at texas. so stfu with all this muh degree will not be tarnished by the football program shit.

  Count me in with @jimmyjazz. I don't want him here. I struggled with the way Nick Saban conducted business with grey-shirting, but this guy is a little much for me. This is "Bayloresque" in my eyes. I wanna win the right way. 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

wtf does a football coach have to do with your degree? absolutely fucking nothing. You'd be lined up getting your national championship memorabilia if he won one at texas. so stfu with all this muh degree will not be tarnished by the football program shit.

Nick Saban built a juggernaut at Alabama by cheating his face off. Once the trophies started piling up, so too did the applications to the school, allowing Alabama to select a higher tier of student. The perceived value of that diploma went up, not down.

So yeah, fuck yo diploma, Jimmy.

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Just now, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Nick Saban built a juggernaut at Alabama by cheating his face off. Once the trophies started piling up, so too did the applications to the school, allowing Alabama to select a higher tier of student. The perceived value of that diploma went up, not down.

So yeah, fuck yo diploma, Jimmy.

Yeah @jimmyjazz you pickled chin ass boy

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1 hour ago, Loop 1604 said:

Not really. I don’t need internet cred to feel good every day while agreeing with the surly hivemind.
 

I hope I’m dead wrong about Sark. Really doesn’t matter since I don’t make any decisions regarding his tenure. Thank God it’s basketball season. 

Every time you post you make yourself seem dumber. Acting like people are disagreeing with you because you don't think Sarkisian is the answer might be a necessary coping mechanism, but everyone else realizes people don't have an issue with that opinion. It's prevalent on this board and for good reason. 

So when you get blasted for stupid posts and exchanges like

You:  "The Big 12 sucked this year"

Posters with supporting factual evidence: "No it didn't, here's proof"

You: "OH GREAT THE HIVE MIND CABAL HAS SPOKEN I GUESS Y'ALL ARE RIGHT THE BIG 12 WAS GREAT SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING UNDEFEATED NEXT YEAR AND EVERYONE THINKS I'M DUMB BECAUSE THEY ALL THINK SARKISIAN IS GREAT"

and then keep digging in, be aware that the only person you're fooling is yourself. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Color me shocked that other people don't agree with me.  I do believe I will continue to sleep well at night, knowing my alma mater isn't the biggest whore on the block.

Nobody is knocking off South Austin's mom from that position. 

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4 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Final negative is that it is early in all of this. It's been hard to organize everything and Texas NIL has been a leader on that. Beyond that, building sustainability and understanding what is transitory and what is here to say puts risk on all decisions for people involved on both the NIL and the program level for each school. Having some real imbeciles sprint out there and do some stupid shit already makes building something long term harder at this stage. 

I find it hard to believe that UT's appetite for football, desire to be taken seriously as an academic institution, massive monetary resources, and fertile recruiting base won't ultimately coalesce on an NIL solution that will place us in the top 1-3 football programs in the country over the long haul.  NIL was our "get out of jail free card".  If we fuck this up, it's all on us.

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19 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

*Regarding Oregon, Knight carved off Nike talent like 18 months ahead of 7/1/21. He gave them a giant budget and told them to figure it all out, asap. They have endless resources and brain power with access to massive corporate NIL. No one is going to beat Oregon. The only things that can beat Oregon are rain, travel to Eugene, OR, and the PacWhatever disaster. Fuck us all if they wind up in the Big 10. 

Are they setup to sustain once Phil passes?

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Are they setup to sustain once Phil passes?

I haven't checked Nike's stock value or Forbes' billionaire tracker lately, but the guy is worth like $60B last time I did read something. He could leave 1% of that to the Oregon NIL efforts and they'd have the cadillac of NIL programs for the next century. Rumor is he's leaving way more than that to UO sports interests, and I assume NIL is part of it. 

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1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

I haven't checked Nike's stock value or Forbes' billionaire tracker lately, but the guy is worth like $60B last time I did read something. He could leave 1% of that to the Oregon NIL efforts and they'd have the cadillac of NIL programs for the next century. Rumor is he's leaving way more than that to UO sports interests, and I assume NIL is part of it. 

Gotcha, I figured that may be the case.

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23 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I think it's a mixed bag, if you want a serious answer. 

On the positive side, Texas NIL is organized about as well as any school's program can be, setting aside Oregon*. In addition, non-football programs are funded or getting funded in ways that will be difficult for more than 1-3 other programs to match or beat, per sport. That includes men's basketball (Kentucky and a few others will be who UT competes for players from an NIL perspective at UT's level - not saying UT is on UK's level in performance or tradition, just talking NIL) and baseball (LSU is emphasizing baseball this go-round and has built a super team with it, but there is doubt that they can sustain the absurd shit they've been doing, and Texas' foundation will be able to ascend towards matching even theirs over time). 

On the positive side for football specifically, it's already given birth to significant fruit from last cycle to now. There's a baseline for positions that aren't established at other programs and Texas One Fund is just getting going. Programs like Burnt Ends, whatever shit anyone wants to talk, are significant. As an adder to the TE baseline, there may not be another program like it nationally and, last I heard, it was growing daily. 

Also on the positive side, UT athletes are already getting tapped for corporate NIL opportunities that few other programs are seeing, and that will only grow, especially if UT gets back to being a top 10 yearly program. 

Also also on the positive side, CDC and the LHF have embraced NIL as the way of the future based on feedback from their own coaches. Every coach on campus has reinforced what we've been saying for almost 2 years - NIL has become the single biggest factor for athletes. In many cases, it's just a leveling of the playing field so then coaches have to compete for a recruit based on crazy old school shit like development, tradition, starting opportunity, how many people are being put into the pros, etc. In other cases, it's the only thing someone cares about and they're looking to get paid as much as they can from the place they've either grown up liking or the place they enjoyed most on a visit. 

Negative side is pretty basic. One negative is that the big, big money is still moving at a snail's pace in many instances and for various reasons. For one, suddenly paying players when they've been beaten up about never, ever doing so has been a jolt. For others, they're just careful with what they commit to with their millions, which folks should understand. Still others are trying to understand what's in it for them. That can be criticized, but altruism is more often a fantasy than reality. I've seen what is as close to altruism as one can get in something like this and it's not easy, and it's hard to expect others to feel the same. Also, some folks don't actually care about winning if they're getting names on buildings and access to celebrities and athletes for pictures and bragging rights. 

Also negative is that people have the misconception that Texas NIL is dripping in money. That's not the case. It's a work-in-progress and nothing is even close to being at a level of endowed yet. Donors of all levels are needed, and in some cases, urgently.

Another negative is that NIL has enabled big game hunting for even little programs. Stacking a ton of chips and then pushing them in for one difference maker is a way that many schools are going to approach this thing. That makes this harder for the bigger programs who will always be net winners, but not always on a case by case basis. 

Final negative is that it is early in all of this. It's been hard to organize everything and Texas NIL has been a leader on that. Beyond that, building sustainability and understanding what is transitory and what is here to say puts risk on all decisions for people involved on both the NIL and the program level for each school. Having some real imbeciles sprint out there and do some stupid shit already makes building something long term harder at this stage. 

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*Regarding Oregon, Knight carved off Nike talent like 18 months ahead of 7/1/21. He gave them a giant budget and told them to figure it all out, asap. They have endless resources and brain power with access to massive corporate NIL. No one is going to beat Oregon. The only things that can beat Oregon are rain, travel to Eugene, OR, and the PacWhatever disaster. Fuck us all if they wind up in the Big 10. 

Not that this needs validation in any way but this is a perfect 1000 foot view of everything. Texas one fund was a fucking giant leap for us and a giant monkey off my back. Being able to have the LHF and CDC helping push us forward into the NIL space instead of literally my dumb ass as well as other dumb asses on Surly alone was just a massive step. 
 

another point of emphasis I’d say is the need for the bumper sticker guy. There are so many douche bags on Twitter pumping their chests about Texas NIL and our boosters…we need the little dude too. That’s why burnt ends works. There are 100k plus people in DKR on saturdays, if we could just have everyone in there give us $10 per game it would fund texas one fund for footballs baseline. NIL isn’t just a boosters game

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Gotcha, I figured that may be the case.

Were you going to hire a hit man?

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1 minute ago, RGBIII said:

Not that this needs validation in any way but this is a perfect 1000 foot view of everything. Texas one fund was a fucking giant leap for us and a giant monkey off my back. Being able to have the LHF and CDC helping push us forward into the NIL space instead of literally my dumb ass as well as other dumb asses on Surly alone was just a massive step. 
 

another point of emphasis I’d say is the need for the bumper sticker guy. There are so many douche bags on Twitter pumping their chests about Texas NIL and our boosters…we need the little dude too. That’s why burnt ends works. There are 100k plus people in DKR on saturdays, if we could just have everyone in there give us $10 per game it would fund texas one fund for footballs baseline. NIL isn’t just a boosters game

Were you going to hire a hit man?

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I don't think one is necessary unless this mother fucker lives to 100

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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I don't think one is necessary unless this mother fucker lives to 100

With todays day and age? Dudes gonna live forever

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Posted
8 hours ago, HenryJames said:

We're all just hoping that either Gene Chizik or Ed Orgeron is the next head coach at Texas.

Leslie Miles says hold my zoysia. 

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I'm with @jimmyjazz, I no longer want any part of Urban Meyer. I was 100% in two years ago at this time, though. As much as I hate to agree with @Thatguy, Urban runs a program at a whole other level of dirty than Saban ever has. Add in his flop with Jacksonville and I'm not really sure he's got the drive to rebuild a program like Texas needed two years ago. He doesn't stay anywhere very long and left Florida in ruins when he bailed on the Gators.

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1 minute ago, C-Man said:

I'm with @jimmyjazz, I no longer want any part of Urban Meyer. I was 100% in two years ago at this time, though. As much as I hate to agree with @Thatguy, Urban runs a program at a whole other level of dirty than Saban ever has. Add in his flop with Jacksonville and I'm not really sure he's got the drive to rebuild a program like Texas needed two years ago. He doesn't stay anywhere very long and left Florida in ruins when he bailed on the Gators.

How’d he leave OSU after winning another national championship there?

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I can guarantee you we'd be further along than we currently are with Urban at the helm. We also wouldn't have had to rely on guys like CTJ, Imma, Sydney, RGB3, and others to pretty much show the university how this shit needs to be done.

So we'd be handing out bags and calling it NIL like aggy?

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6 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

How’d he leave OSU after winning another national championship there?

Pretty good shape, of course. But Day hasn't won it all and has now dropped two in a row to Michigan.

I'm admittedly pinning much of his Jacksonville/NFL failure on my current perception of him.

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

*Regarding Oregon, Knight carved off Nike talent like 18 months ahead of 7/1/21. He gave them a giant budget and told them to figure it all out, asap. They have endless resources and brain power with access to massive corporate NIL. No one is going to beat Oregon. The only things that can beat Oregon are rain, travel to Eugene, OR, and the PacWhatever disaster. Fuck us all if they wind up in the Big 10. 

To me, this is the most underrated and absurd part of the NIL landscape. Literally one crazy booster can outweigh every "market-based" factor like program revenue, overall alumni wealth, corporate density, etc. And it's not like the boosters get any financial ROI either. It's like European soccer except with zero connection to revenue and without any ownership.

Phil Knight is an unsurprising first example, but at some point I'm sure another billionaire will do the same. And it could come completely out of the blue from a school like Cal or Duke. Or Elon Musk just fucking with people by building UT-RGV into a powerhouse lol

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15 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

How’d he leave OSU after winning another national championship there?

Do you honestly think OSU is heads and tails above UT at this point?  I'm not sure I agree.  

I mean, I wouldn't want to play them tomorrow but I see different trajectories, and I'm not sure they can keep up on the $$$ front.  Maybe Nationwide and L Brands can print money like we can, but somehow I doubt it.

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10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Do you honestly think OSU is heads and tails above UT at this point?  I'm not sure I agree.  

I mean, I wouldn't want to play them tomorrow but I see different trajectories, and I'm not sure they can keep up on the $$$ front.  Maybe Nationwide and L Brands can print money like we can, but somehow I doubt it.

You just devalued your diploma with that post Jimmy.

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When you look at things like matched donations from a foundation and then struggling to really get burnt ends levels of participation sans match it’s eye opening how well things are going here. Burnt ends is proving how things can snowball over time as more people say fuck it and give 10/mo. 
 

next year we will be able to focus a lot more on burnt ends and growing it even more and doing more fun things with NIL as surly horns instead of having to be a bit cleaner and buttoned up trying to do the HWH and TexasOne stuff. 
 

we really want to do funny shit like promo videos, custom first down, touchdown, big block gifs that we can all spam. 

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32 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Do you honestly think OSU is heads and tails above UT at this point?  I'm not sure I agree.  

I mean, I wouldn't want to play them tomorrow but I see different trajectories, and I'm not sure they can keep up on the $$$ front.  Maybe Nationwide and L Brands can print money like we can, but somehow I doubt it.

Yes. Yes I do.

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41 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

To me, this is the most underrated and absurd part of the NIL landscape. Literally one crazy booster can outweigh every "market-based" factor like program revenue, overall alumni wealth, corporate density, etc. And it's not like the boosters get any financial ROI either. It's like European soccer except with zero connection to revenue and without any ownership.

Phil Knight is an unsurprising first example, but at some point I'm sure another billionaire will do the same. And it could come completely out of the blue from a school like Cal or Duke. Or Elon Musk just fucking with people by building UT-RGV into a powerhouse lol

If only Micheal Dell gave a shit about football.

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  Count me in with [mention=203]jimmyjazz[/mention]. I don't want him here. I struggled with the way Nick Saban conducted business with grey-shirting, but this guy is a little much for me. This is "Bayloresque" in my eyes. I wanna win the right way. 
Same. I have a High School aged kid I'm trying mold into a decent human.

I don't think Penn State or Baylor should be allowed to have Football programs- full stop.

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