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Remind me again how much of this is new and how much was in the DOJ possession during the previous administration?

Isn't this all the same shit sandwich being reheated in the break room microwave?

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35 minutes ago, huge said:

Isn't this all the same shit sandwich being reheated in the break room microwave

No. Ā these emails have never been released, and Trump has denied spending time with the victims or knowing anything about the victims or that Epstein trafficked young women.

What I find hilarious is that the White House announced that the Democrats were cherry picking information from the Epstein files, while denying that the Epstein files contain anything bad about Trump and denying that there was anything left in the Epstein files that anyone I’ve ever seen before.

While the White House says the late victim denied knowing Trump, I guarantee you Trump has denied ever knowing her on camera multiple times.

They need to show that clip next to the email from 2011 where Epstein says that Trump spent hours with her. then show the clip where Trump talks about his friend Epstein and says he ā€œlikes beautiful women almost as much as he doesā€, adding that ā€œthey are on the younger side.ā€

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34 minutes ago, huge said:

Remind me again how much of this is new and how much was in the DOJ possession during the previous administration?

Isn't this all the same shit sandwich being reheated in the break room microwave?

It seems this is new from last Thursday when the Epstein estate released them to Congress, but I could have misread this piece. The bolded below is what leads me to believe these are new, at least to the public. Gotta think the FBI had access to them, but, of course, Merrick Garland was horrible and ineffective in prosecuting cases.

Epstein Alleged in Emails That Trump Knew of His Conduct
In a message obtained by Congress, the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein wrote that Donald J. Trump spent hours at his house with one of Mr. Epstein’s victims.

House Democrats on Wednesday released emails in which Jeffrey Epstein wrote that President Trump had ā€œspent hours at my houseā€ with one of Mr. Epstein’s victims, among other messages that suggested that the convicted sex offender believed Mr. Trump knew more about his abuse than he has acknowledged.

Mr. Trump has emphatically denied any involvement in or knowledge of Mr. Epstein’s sex-trafficking operation. He has said that he and Mr. Epstein, the disgraced financier who died by suicide in federal prison in 2019, were once friendly but had a falling out.

But Democrats on the House Oversight Committee said the emails, which they selected from thousands of pages of documents received by their panel, raised new questions about the relationship between the two men. In one of the messages, Mr. Epstein flatly asserted that Mr. Trump ā€œknew about the girls,ā€ many of whom were later found by investigators to have been underage. In another, Mr. Epstein pondered how to address questions from the news media about their relationship as Mr. Trump was becoming a national political figure.

In a statement denouncing the release of the messages, Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, identified the victim mentioned in one of them as Virginia Giuffre, who died by suicide in April and had said that she did not think that Mr. Trump had participated in the sexual abuse of minors at Mr. Epstein’s home.

ā€œThe fact remains that President Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of his club decades ago for being a creep to his female employees, including Giuffre,ā€ Ms. Leavitt said. ā€œThese stories are nothing more than bad-faith efforts to distract from President Trump’s historic accomplishments, and any American with common sense sees right through this hoax and clear distraction from the government opening back up again.ā€

The messages are certain to inflame the debate on Capitol Hill over the Trump administration’s handling of the Epstein files, and top officials’ decision to backtrack on a promise to fully release them. That issue, which has split Republicans and alienated some of Mr. Trump’s right-wing supporters, had faded to the background as the government shutdown dragged on.

But the House is set to return on Wednesday to clear legislation to end the shutdown, and attention is likely to shift back to the Epstein matter.

ā€œThese latest emails and correspondence raise glaring questions about what else the White House is hiding and the nature of the relationship between Epstein and the president,ā€ Representative Robert Garcia of California, the top Democrat on the Oversight Committee, said in a statement.

The three separate email exchanges released on Wednesday were all from after Mr. Epstein’s 2008 plea deal in Florida on state charges of soliciting prostitution, in which federal prosecutors agreed not to pursue charges. They came years after Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein had a reported falling out in the early 2000s. One was addressed to Mr. Epstein’s longtime confidante Ghislaine Maxwell, while two were with the author Michael Wolff.

In one email from April 2011, Mr. Epstein told Ms. Maxwell, who was later convicted on charges related to facilitating his crimes, ā€œI want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is Trump.ā€ He added that an unnamed victim ā€œspent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned.ā€

ā€œI have been thinking about that,ā€ Ms. Maxwell wrote back.

In an email from January 2019, Mr. Epstein wrote to Mr. Wolff of Mr. Trump: ā€œOf course he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop.ā€ House Democrats, citing an unnamed whistle-blower, said this week that Ms. Maxwell was preparing to formally ask Mr. Trump to commute her federal prison sentence.

The emails were provided to the Oversight Committee along with a larger tranche of documents from Mr. Epstein’s estate that the panel requested as part of its investigation into Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year sentence on sex-trafficking charges.

The committee’s staff redacted victims’ names and any identifying information from the emails. Because the full set of documents has not been released, it was not clear whether the emails had been excerpted from larger conversations that might have provided fuller context.

Republicans on the Oversight Committee accused Democrats of politicizing the investigation.

ā€œDemocrats continue to carelessly cherry-pick documents to generate click bait that is not grounded in the facts,ā€ a committee spokeswoman said. ā€œThe Epstein Estate has produced over 20,000 pages of documents on Thursday, yet Democrats are once again intentionally withholding records that name Democrat officials.ā€

The Republicans, who have repeatedly cited their concern for protecting the identities of Mr. Epstein’s victims as a reason not to call for a full release of the administration’s files in the case, were the first on Wednesday to name Ms. Giuffre, whose name was redacted in the emails. Ms. Giuffre had said that Ms. Maxwell recruited her into Mr. Epstein’s sex ring while she was working at Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump’s private club and residence in Palm Beach, as a teenager.

In a 2016 deposition for a civil case, Ms. Giuffre was asked if she believed Mr. Trump had witnessed the sexual abuse of minors in Mr. Epstein’s home.

ā€œI don’t think Donald Trump participated in anything,ā€ she said.

ā€œI never saw or witnessed Donald Trump participate in those acts, but was he in the house of Jeffrey Epstein,ā€ Ms. Giuffre added. ā€œI’ve heard he has been, but I haven’t seen him myself so I don’t know.ā€

Mr. Trump has Ā called Mr. Epstein a ā€œcreepā€ and has insisted he never engaged in any wrongdoing with him or Ms. Maxwell. He has condemned the continued questions about his handling of the case as a ā€œhoaxā€ perpetrated by Democrats.

Both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein split their time between New York and Palm Beach, Fla., and they were friends in the 1990s and early 2000s. Their relationship appeared to fizzle out around 2004, though Mr. Trump and those close to him have offered different accounts of why. By one account, they fell out after trying to outbid each other on a piece of Palm Beach real estate.

Last summer, Mr. Trump said that Mr. Epstein had ā€œhiredā€ away spa attendants at Mar-a-Lago. He said that he had kicked Mr. Epstein out of his club, and that he believed one of the women was Ms. Giuffre.

At the time Mr. Epstein emailed Ms. Maxwell in 2011 calling Mr. Trump the ā€œdog that didn’t bark,ā€ Mr. Trump was a reality television star and New York tabloid celebrity who was years away from becoming president.

Around the same time, according to documents previously released by the Oversight Committee, Mr. Epstein was emailing staff members about negative press coverage he had recently received about the abuse that took place inside his home in Florida.

Earlier this year, the Trump administration released the transcript of a courthouse interview with Ms. Maxwell, who acknowledged that Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein had once had a social relationship, but denied any connection between Mr. Trump and the sex-trafficking ring.

Mr. Epstein’s email from 2019, which claims Mr. Trump ā€œknew about the girlsā€ and asked Ms. Maxwell ā€œto stop,ā€ was sent to Mr. Wolff, who had recently written a tell-all book about the president.

Mr. Epstein was months away from the arrest and federal charges that would send him to prison, but he was the focus of significant attention after The Miami Herald had published a series of articles drawing renewed attention to the secret agreement he had signed in 2008.

In his email, Mr. Epstein mentioned a victim of his sex-trafficking operation. He also mentioned Mar-a-Lago, then disputed that Mr. Trump had ever asked him to resign from the club. ā€œNever a member ever,ā€ Mr. Epstein wrote.

Mr. Wolff was also involved in a third email exchange, which began on Dec. 15, 2015, the night of a debate in the Republican presidential primary. Mr. Wolff emailed Mr. Epstein and warned him that CNN was ā€œplanning to ask Trump tonight about his relationship with you — either on air or in scrum afterwards.ā€

Mr. Epstein wrote back, ā€œIf we were able to craft an answer for him, what do you think it should be?ā€

Mr. Wolff advised inaction, suggesting that Mr. Trump might try to deny a close association with Mr. Epstein. ā€œI think you should let him hang himself,ā€ he wrote of Mr. Trump. ā€œIf he says he hasn’t been on the plane or to the house, then that gives you a valuable P.R. and political currencyā€ that could be used to ā€œhang himā€ later or ā€œsave him, generating a debt.ā€

Mr. Trump never received a question about the matter in that debate, according to a transcript. It was unclear if he was asked about it separately.

The Democrats’ release of the emails came hours before Speaker Mike Johnson was scheduled to swear in Representative-elect Adelita Grijalva, Democrat of Arizona, whom he has avoided seating for nearly two months since she won her election.

She is expected to provide the final signature necessary on a petition to force a House vote on a measure demanding that the Trump administration release all of its investigative material pertaining to Mr. Epstein. The White House has strongly opposed the measure.

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6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

She is expected to provide the final signature necessary on a petition to force a House vote on a measure demanding that the Trump administration release all of its investigative material pertaining to Mr. Epstein. The White House has strongly opposed the measure.

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Nancy Mace has gone all in on bashing the files, and some are saying she's pulled her signature.

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My take is more positive than briskets. I totally agree with brisket there are a significant amount of Trump people who will not give a shit and will not believe it. The only thing I disagree with concerns the number of people who fall into the ā€œnot paying attentionā€category. Included in that number is the ā€œnot paying attention because Fox News does not report it.ā€

I think we have to at least consider that for many Trump voters, things we have known about from 2016 until now are things that are suddenly on their radar for the first time. Ā The fact that we don’t find that possible or reasonable does not mean it is not true. Ā  I have one MAGA relative who is a true believer, and he has been stunned on several occasions learning about things of which he had no idea. That did not turn him from MAGA, but it has turned him from MAGA positions on a few matters after he learned the truth.Ā 

He was never political before Trump. One of Trump’s strengths was gathering the never participated in politics before group. Ā  If Trump loses on tariffs and the economy continues to take a crap and many lose healthcare and snap benefits, I think some of those people will return to their non-participation status if MAGA is not winning on things. Ā  it is fun to own the libs, it is not fun to see the orange cult God not winning. Ā An absence of lib tears is enough for some of them to back out. Ā 10% of MAGA checking out is all we potentially need to take Congress back.Ā 

Tl;dr Ā Absent election day fuckery, the GOP is wounded enough to lose big in 2026. Ā Election day Fuckery could well be enough to make it not matter.

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28 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

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Nancy Mace has gone all in on bashing the files, and some are saying she's pulled her signature.

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