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I still think Ohtani is traded midseason. He will fetch some good prospects, and help them build up the farm system. They have to know by now that he isn't staying in Anaheim to waste his career. The Angels should be going into rebuild mode, they are stuck as a treadmill team. Sell Trout to the highest bidder too, and go full bore into tankmode. 

I bet Ohtani ends up with the Giants or Dodgers and gets 50m a year for 12 years. Dude has a ton of hype around him, and the jersey and merch sales he brings will help lessen the overall cost for a big market team. But still, that's like 1/6th of your teams salary cap that fills one of your 6 starting pitcher roles, and the DH. 

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8 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

I still think Ohtani is traded midseason. He will fetch some good prospects, and help them build up the farm system. They have to know by now that he isn't staying in Anaheim to waste his career. The Angels should be going into rebuild mode, they are stuck as a treadmill team. Sell Trout to the highest bidder too, and go full bore into tankmode. 

I bet Ohtani ends up with the Giants or Dodgers and gets 50m a year for 12 years. Dude has a ton of hype around him, and the jersey and merch sales he brings will help lessen the overall cost for a big market team. But still, that's like 1/6th of your teams salary cap that fills one of your 6 starting pitcher roles, and the DH. 

Better value for Ohtani at the deadline or before the season? I’d say now because the team trading for him will have him for at least one season, and have months to build a relationship. 
 

But yeah, Moreno is on a little unhinged and he’ll hold on to him until the Angels are absolutely out of it. Probably cost them a couple to prospects in the process. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Angels. 
 

I’m happy to see the Red Sox in hot pursuit of dumb ass contracts. They just spent $419 million dollars (Devers + Yoshida) to finish last in their division. 

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34 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Better value for Ohtani at the deadline or before the season? I’d say now because the team trading for him will have him for at least one season, and have months to build a relationship. 
 

But yeah, Moreno is on a little unhinged and he’ll hold on to him until the Angels are absolutely out of it. Probably cost them a couple to prospects in the process. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Angels. 
 

I’m happy to see the Red Sox in hot pursuit of dumb ass contracts. They just spent $419 million dollars (Devers + Yoshida) to finish last in their division. 

Yeah I agree, the sooner you trade him the better return. Any team acquiring him will only pay top dollar if they can secure the extension. Letting him hit free agency after a 1 year rental isn't worth sending multiple top prospects. I think the Angels need to allow extension negotiation to occur to get the most out of him. 

The other problem with trading him midseason is that half his value is at DH, and big spender type teams that would be willing to get him typically have that role filled before the season starts. DH is the easiest position to fill on the roster, and it's often used as a flex spot for guys with minor injuries that don't want to go on the DL. With Ohtani, you can't free up that spot since he doesn't play in the field, and with the new rule change, you only free up that spot while he's pitching for ~6 innings every 5-6 games.

It's a bit of an odd puzzle to solve because he doesn't seem to have the ability to go play right field, or at least hasn't demonstrated that he can. Even if he did, that's a lot to ask of one guy, play RF for 4-5 games, then be the starting pitcher 1 game, DH after he finishes pitching in that game and repeat this cycle. That sounds like too much work, and it may jeopardize his health by overworking him, but if he could pull that off it would make him so much more valuable. 

So your trade partner would have to need both a starting pitcher and DH spot to fill, but also have the depth of another batter to fill in DH while he's pitching. And if he does get injured, you now need 2 guys to replace him, which means you gotta have some good depth to lean on. So I think the Angels need to make that trade now so the receiving team can shuffle their roster and adjust to Ohtani, which likely won't be able to happen at the trade deadline. 

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