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58 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I honestly think part of Vanderbilt's investments in football was their ability to forecast this issue specifically. They've always been a good baseball school. They know the SEC tie in helps. Being THE football bottom feeder had future potential financial and sports implications. 

Interestingly, in Nashville I think I see more Preds gear than Titans gear and there are more women interested in those game, minor league baseball and Vandy than Titans, at least according to my dating profile research and attention draw goes. 

This is exactly what's going on. But it's not just football - they're making serious investments in other sports, too.  Byington looks like an A+ hire as a basketball coach, and it's amazing what he's already done this year with only 3 players returning from last year's team.  I'd put Corbin/Lea/Byington up against any coaching trifecta at any school right now. The long term plan for the baseball stadium is pretty nice: https://vucommodores.com/vandy-united-ushers-in-new-era-at-hawkins-field/.

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14 minutes ago, Bob Knepper said:

This is exactly what's going on. But it's not just football - they're making serious investments in other sports, too.  Byington looks like an A+ hire as a basketball coach, and it's amazing what he's already done this year with only 3 players returning from last year's team.  I'd put Corbin/Lea/Byington up against any coaching trifecta at any school right now. The long term plan for the baseball stadium is pretty nice: https://vucommodores.com/vandy-united-ushers-in-new-era-at-hawkins-field/.

Also WBB. They plucked Geno’s Longtime assistant and have a sensational Sophomore that many of the bigger NCAAWBB would have paid big money for 

Also finally added volleyball and made some noise in the SEC Postseason tournament in year 1 

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1 hour ago, Fondren & Main said:

If you self absorbed cunts joined the ACC then you would be in the playoffs.  How about them apples, fuck face?

LMAO!

Bama kept ND out of the playoff, not Miami.

Also, has it occurred to you that if Texas had stayed in the Big XII, they’d be in the playoff?

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13 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Bama kept ND out of the playoff, not Miami.

Also, has it occurred to you that if Texas had stayed in the Big XII, they’d be in the playoff?

If they were in the ACC they would have potentially had 2 teams in.  Now we get the G5 shitshow.

It occurred to me that playing y'all hurt us.  People will say Florida did, but if we were 10-2, we would have head to heads over OU and A&M.  OU would likely then be pushed out.

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Posted (edited)
20 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Aggy and Miami kept ND out of the playoffs.  When you have a two game schedule you better win at least one.

ND was aggy "good win".

lulz

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Posted
54 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Yes, they beat them 58-7. Miami beat them 38-7. Pittsburgh is 8-6. FSU is 7-5 and trashed Bama as 13.5 point underdogs. ND lost to 2 playoff teams (as a combined 9.5 point favorite). Bama has more losses and a worse loss. They are less deserving of a playoff spot. But ESPN is invested in the SEC, they disproportionately influence the rankings in college football, and the bias in the rankings is clear and present, overt and obvious.

Doesn’t matter, though. Bama ain’t making the final this year like ND did last year. 

Are you under the impression that anyone here with more than a few functioning brain cells is going to defend Bama getting? Most of us both hate the SEC and specifically Bama. They shouldn't have gotten in either, but this is the point and laugh at Notre Dame getting depantsed thread. 

36 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

We are a good team. A deeply flawed team but, still not too bad. We shit the bed against a terrible West Virginia team and lost a double-digit 4th quarter lead to Louisville.

Then, were dominated by Notre Dame and Miami. I wish we were better than a four-loss team but, that is where we are. Beating us does not mean a team should be in the playoffs. Notre Dame should not have lost to the two teams they did. 

Pitt had three wins over teams with winning records - G6 Central Michigan (7-5), NC State (7-5) and GaTech (9-3). Your team plays in a bottomfeeding conference that repeatedly pulled the bookshelf on top of itself week after week in the national spotlight. Pitt contributed to that by not even attempting to be competitive against Notre Dame or Miami. Fucking Narduzzi added to your humiliation by basically admitting before the Notre Dame game that your fucking team didn't care about playing them. 

You do not have a good team. You have a team that capitalized on fortuitous circumstances in order to eek out a winning record while still embarrassing itself on multiple occasions throughout the season. I don't think you'd be a .500 club in the Big 12, know you wouldn't in the SEC and you'd probably barely get there in the Big 10, pretty much because the bottom of that conference is no better, and perhaps worse, than the bottom of the shitass ACC. 

32 minutes ago, Bob Knepper said:

This is exactly what's going on. But it's not just football - they're making serious investments in other sports, too.  Byington looks like an A+ hire as a basketball coach, and it's amazing what he's already done this year with only 3 players returning from last year's team.  I'd put Corbin/Lea/Byington up against any coaching trifecta at any school right now. The long term plan for the baseball stadium is pretty nice: https://vucommodores.com/vandy-united-ushers-in-new-era-at-hawkins-field/.

Diego Pavia and Eli Stowers are doing a lot of heavy lifting in your high praise for Clark Lea, there. That dude was on a scorching hotseat before buying the NMSU offensive group. Let's see how smart he looks next season before attempting to stack him up next the best of the best in CFB. Good lord.

Also, now everyone has an NIL machine gun in college baseball. The cheat of getting guys on academic scholarship in order to get them on campus isn't quite the competitive advantage any more. Let's see how amazing Corbin is with an even playing field. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Yep, they should be pushing for an auto-bid if they finish ranked higher than the lowest ranked P4 champion.  Would anyone be too upset if they got in over JMU or Tulane by finishing higher ranked than the 5-loss ACC champ Duke? Not really. 

But ESPN isn't going to cape for ND over Miami, because ND is NBC and the ACC is ESPN. 

Them getting an auto-bid in 2026 if they finish top 12 is just making more people turn against their special status. 

If you are wondering about the ND NBC connection, well if it smells like a duck.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

So, a team with a sorry strength of schedule, and two losses, allowed aggy to just skate all season because of the ND mystic smoke, and when the smoke settles, we find out that both really had played a bunch of nobodies....with aggy floating to the top on the back of the Irish?

Basically, yes.

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Posted
3 hours ago, mdmost said:

 

Like I said previously… alternate reality. If we were the only team with a pulse (more or less) in that schedule, they should be grateful to come close to being considered

Posted
2 hours ago, Vertigo said:

All hell is going to break loose when these conferences look at their bloated membership and start cutting the bottom feeders to maximize profits.

i men thats pretty much the opposite of whats happened so far in the history of college football. But you go ahead and bet on those odds

Posted
2 hours ago, TexArcher said:

This is ignoring the fact that the committee has said it doesn't punish conference championship losses and Bama played a much harder schedule.

And the team that gave Bama their last loss is probably the best team in the country.  They'd pound Notre Dame, too.  And, Bama gave UGA their only loss earlier.

I don't like any of those three teams, by the way.  But you simply don't take a team from the middle of the playoff field and kick them out for losing their CCG.

Notre Dame scheduled light, intentionally, and they failed to simply win 2 out of 3 against pretty good opponents.  That is really all there is to this.

They punished UVA. the rules do not make sense and aren't even consistent in the same season mush less year to year. The committee this year was pure dogshit

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Posted
5 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

Teaching, feeding the poor, and other things better than propping up ESPN's left behind 'bowl games.'

Well then, Notre Dame is out. 

Posted

 

2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

I wanna know why ND hasn't picked a fight with Ole Miss. 

If there is one team that could have gotten moved out and nobody buy Ole Miss fans would have been upset about, it's them. FSU lost a QB and they were out. Ole Miss lost their HC and all the offensive staff, but they remain. That's the oddest one of the committee insanity, imo.

The same reason that ESPN devoted almost no air time to ND vs SEC #5.  Bad for business.

 

2 hours ago, Skipper said:

Strictly by the numbers that are supposed to matter (SOS, SOR) Texas, BYU and Vandy all have better claims than ND and Miami.

 

2 hours ago, BigHornedLurker said:

our resident @notre dame joe doesn't realize he's barking up the wrong tree 

ND shouldn't have been ranked so high in general , your schedule was weak and you had  * 1 good not great win * 

A large number of people on this board feel like Texas's case was actually stronger than either ND or Bama, FFS these teams moved up more spots than when we embarrassed #3  

The committee in general is full of idiots who couldn't rank a number line , and needs to be eliminated from the selection loop 

 

The computer composite, and average of all the metrics say that ND is 6th.  https://masseyratings.com/ranks?s=cf

 

and

 

 

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2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

I think it's rational to think that had aggie lost to only ND and Texas they would be out and Texas and ND both would be in. The ND win held aggie in the top 10 all season. They lose they run to Texas they are in the top 10, just. The Texas loss puts them at 12-15 and Texas at 11 or 12. 

To put it another way, whom did Texas A&M beat other than ND?  I promise that I have not looked that up.

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2 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

The computer composite, and average of all the metrics say that ND is 6th.  https://masseyratings.com/ranks?s=cf

 

and

 

 

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Sorry, I must have missed the section in the 'playoff committee principals' where they look at "Massey Ratings" or a "simulated BCS" that takes into account the morons that vote in the worthless AP and Coaches polls.

Posted
2 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

To put it another way, whom did Texas A&M beat other than ND?  I promise that I have not looked that up.

Nobody here will argue that aggy is great this season. They are good by aggy standards, had a weak SEC schedule, caught Mizzou when they had to play their QB3 and LSU when they were nosediving. Texas put a mirror to their nose, but beating ND with referee help is what they hang their hat on. If you are saying ND should be in over aggy, aggy beat you head-to-head and has one fewer loss.

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Posted
1 hour ago, PittsburghTiger said:

We are a good team. A deeply flawed team but, still not too bad. We shit the bed against a terrible West Virginia team and lost a double-digit 4th quarter lead to Louisville.

Then, were dominated by Notre Dame and Miami. I wish we were better than a four-loss team but, that is where we are. Beating us does not mean a team should be in the playoffs. Notre Dame should not have lost to the two teams they did. 

The ACC didn't really have a good OOC win, other than week 1 ND@Miami squeaker and FSU thrashing Alabama; the latter I noted was banned from media discussion even in late September. 

Otherwise there were a lot of close games, like GTech having the ball and a chance to win on the last drive @UGA.  But nothing (after week 1) to point to that would tell us ACC was just as good as the other three.  

Posted (edited)
30 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

They punished UVA. the rules do not make sense and aren't even consistent in the same season mush less year to year. The committee this year was pure dogshit

I believe the PC wrote their rules incorrectly with what they wanted.  They assumed that the P4 conf champs would always be in the top 5 of other conf champs.  But they didn't put that into the rules so they were stuck with Tulane and James Madison ranked higher than Duke. 

 

Likewise the ACC probably assumed their top two programs would play for the ACCCG but they didn't make that the official tiebreaker. 

 

13 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Sorry, I must have missed the section in the 'playoff committee principals' where they look at "Massey Ratings" or a "simulated BCS" that takes into account the morons that vote in the worthless AP and Coaches polls.

I am glad you asked.  The PC always followed the computer rankings, specifically the BCS proxy.  Even the year that everyone thinks they screwed TCU for anOSU, the Buckeyes actually got to #4 in the final BCS proxy.

 

Exceptions. 

2023 FSU the PC knew that FSU's qb was out,  the computers did not. 

2025 ND.  The PC knew that it had to include Bama and an ACC team, the computers did not. 
 

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Posted
40 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

They punished UVA. the rules do not make sense and aren't even consistent in the same season mush less year to year. The committee this year was pure dogshit

How did they punish UVA? UVA wasn't in the field prior to the championship game. They had to play themselves in. They didn't. 

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Posted
3 hours ago, BigHornedLurker said:

This is my POV as well. What I saw was the ACC promoting its team. Thats literally their fiduciary duty, one of their only duties. 

The fact that ND was on the other side was collateral damage, the ACC has no control over who the committee makes room for. NDs lack of position made them an easy target. Thats on the committee, not the ACC. 

I think ND is attacking the only friend it has in any of this. 

why didn't NBCSports show ND's win over the best team they played over and over again?  of NBC could have run it in primetime.

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A detente with the ACC is most likely, the ACC is a tenuous conference that needs ND quite a bit. As noted today— most ACC games are well under capacity but 90 percent of games with ND are sold out. The highest watched ACC tilt was an OOC game with ND.  GameDay only came to the ACC for an ND matchup. And this year the ACC needed that win over ND to even get a team in the playoff. Very well could have been Vandy or Texas if Miami didn’t have the signature non-conference win. And the media rights of an ACC with this agreement are worth quite a bit more with ND than without. 
 

Likely the message has landed that in future years the league can toot its own horn but has to be careful of the framing. 

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21 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

I am glad you asked.  The PC always followed the computer rankings, specifically the BCS proxy.  Even the year that everyone thinks they screwed TCU for anOSU, the Buckeyes actually got to #4 in the final BCS proxy.

 

Exceptions. 

2023 FSU the PC knew that FSU's qb was out,  the computers did not. 

2025 ND.  The PC knew that it had to include Bama and an ACC team, the computers did not. 
 

I'll agree with you that the committee has done and will continue to whatever the fuck they want.   Whether or not that has historically followed computers or "BCS proxy" I don't know and don't care.  The below is what they were supposed to follow per their own guidelines.   If they actually followed the below correctly, ND would have been behind not only Bama and Miami but also Texas, BYU and Vandy.   

PRINCIPLES

The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:

  • Strength of schedule,
  • Head-to-head competition,
  • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
  • Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.

 

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Just now, Skipper said:

I'll agree with you that the committee has done and will continue to whatever the fuck they want.   Whether or not that has historically followed computers or "BCS proxy" I don't know and don't care.  The below is what they were supposed to follow per their own guidelines.   If they actually followed the below correctly, ND would have been behind not only Bama and Miami but also Texas, BYU and Vandy.   

PRINCIPLES

The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:

  • Strength of schedule,
  • Head-to-head competition,
  • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
  • Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.

 

Strength of Schedule was reduced to Wins/Losses sorted by Wins and Teams who have most recently lost - and absolutely nothing more nuanced or explainable 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I'll agree with you that the committee had done and will continue to whatever the fuck they want.   Whether or not that has historically followed computers or "BCS proxy" I don't know and don't care.  The below is what they were supposed to follow per their own guidelines.   If they actually followed the below correctly, ND would have been behind not only Bama and Miami but also Texas, BYU and Vandy.   

PRINCIPLES

The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:

  • Strength of schedule,
  • Head-to-head competition,
  • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
  • Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.

 

I believe people get confused about what the Committee looks at in determining the rankings. I believe what you have posted is when they are trying to slot "comparable teams". In this situation, ND and Miami. Those two are comparable, so they default to what you posted above. That is the tiebreaker check list when teams are "comparable". 

When ranking the teams, they look at whatever they feel like looking at and are swayed by they eye test whatever former coaches are on the Committee:

METRICS

There will not be one single metric to assist the committee. Rather, the committee will consider a wide variety of data and information.

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10 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

I believe people get confused about what the Committee looks at in determining the rankings. I believe what you have posted is when they are trying to slot "comparable teams". In this situation, ND and Miami. Those two are comparable, so they default to what you posted above. That is the tiebreaker check list when teams are "comparable". 

When ranking the teams, they look at whatever they feel like looking at and are swayed by they eye test whatever former coaches are on the Committee:

METRICS

There will not be one single metric to assist the committee. Rather, the committee will consider a wide variety of data and information.

This is unfortunately the truth, basically do whatever the fuck you want. No need to stay consistent or even logical. Apply rules when you feel like it or it helps your personal agenda or don't as you see fit. Logic and reason need not apply and if at all possible you should neglect some deserving teams in order to include multiple G5s because nobody gives a shit about the games they will play in the CFP. This isn't about money or logic, it's about agendas and stupidity. The more the better. 

With TONS of Regards,

The morons who designed this cluster fuck.

@notre dame joe Your biggest beef should be with G5 or with your athletics department for not joining one of those also ran conferences. 

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