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Speaking of putting Ohio in play, Chad Pergram reporting that Sherrod Brown was floated to Fox as a VP nominee.

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One source told Fox that if President Biden bows out and the party drafts Harris, Democrats should look at Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, as their Vice Presidential pick. Brown pondered running for President in 2020. Brown stepping aside might cost Democrats a winnable Senate seat. But Fox was told some in the party like how Brown could match up with Vance. 

Too much downside and not enough upside, but an interesting notion.

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They would still lose Ohio and then the Senate seat.

On this anointing of Harris, had Biden not run for re-election, they wouldn't have anointed Harris then and they shouldn't now.  She would have had to run in an open primary just like everyone else.

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1 hour ago, MrBig said:

I like Mayor Pete. He is extremely smart, Rhodes Scholar, military vet, and he’s been praised by Republicans for the work he’s done as Transportation Secretary. I would love for Trump to lose to a woman and a gay guy if he was picked for VP.

Counterpoint: McKinsey

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8 hours ago, statsman said:

Ha-ha! The Democratic Party is the one that wants to have student loans of working professionals paid for by taxes of blue collar workers

This is a lie

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How do I know if I am eligible for debt relief? 

  • To be eligible, your annual income must have fallen below $125,000 (for individuals) or $250,000 (for married couples or heads of households). 

  • If you received a Pell Grant in college and meet the income threshold, you will be eligible for up to $20,000 in debt relief. 

  • If you did not receive a Pell Grant in college and meet the income threshold, you will be eligible for up to $10,000 in debt relief.  

What does the “up to” in “up to $20,000” or “up to $10,000” mean? 

  • Your relief is capped at the amount of your outstanding debt.

  • For example: If you are eligible for $20,000 in debt relief, but have a balance of $15,000 remaining, you will only receive $15,000 in relief.  

The majority of beneficiaries are people from low income backgrounds who started school but were unable to finish and now work a low paying job. On top of that many are the victims of scam online colleges or “trade schools” like Trump University, and paid tuition that was grossly inflated and even if they completed their studies found the “degree” worthless 

 

I would have set the cutoff below 80/160, but this is a good program

Remember this debt is not dischargeable in any type of bankruptcy, so unlike upper middle class and companies they can’t just walk away from their debt and start over 

if you are an hourly worker with 20k in student loan debt it might as be 20M. 

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12 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Michelle Obama gets the nomination, she selects Barack as VP, she wins the election in a landslide, decides to step down, and Barak is President for a third term. 

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7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Fuck that pendejo ….

 

Unfortunately, that is an advertisement to some people.

Nobody is changing their mind behind that.

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Billionaire dem donors don’t want Biden’s tax plans to go through. So, of course he’s too old and the money is drying up. We are a country run by billionaires buying politicians and political power. It’s over.

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

This is a lie

The majority of beneficiaries are people from low income backgrounds who started school but were unable to finish and now work a low paying job. On top of that many are the victims of scam online colleges or “trade schools” like Trump University, and paid tuition that was grossly inflated and even if they completed their studies found the “degree” worthless 

 

I would have set the cutoff below 80/160, but this is a good program

Remember this debt is not dischargeable in any type of bankruptcy, so unlike upper middle class and companies they can’t just walk away from their debt and start over 

if you are an hourly worker with 20k in student loan debt it might as be 20M. 

get outta here with reasonable positions based on logic and compassion!

BOOTSTRAPPS!@!

 

btw - my student debt profile from 2002:

  - $60,000 (Univ. of Texas / Private law school)
  - all interest subsidized while in school (9 years)
  - fixed rate, 2.95% (when market rate was 7.25% for a home loan)
  - 25 year term
  - $300/month repayment
  - starting salary out of law school, $160,000

if students came out of school with this profile, i'd say fuck em, pay your way. but the problem is they aren't and to your point there are thousands of people who fell victim to the student loan profiteering schemes of shit for profit schools with no degree at all or no marketable degree. now they have higher rate, variable rate interest loans for schools that cost a tiny fortune. it's a fucked up situation and the millions of illegal immigrants, those thugs and violent criminals being shipped straight from prisons to the US and being dropped in our country from central america need to be rounded up and mass deported to solve the problem.

LET"S FUCKING GO!!!

freedom GIF
 

 

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7 hours ago, linux said:

Again for the people in the back if the same 81 million voters that voted for Biden in 2020 did so again in 2024 he wins by a gigalandslide.

Please think about it for a second and then get back to me.

you are 100% correct.

6 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

But they aren't. That's the problem.

so are you.

 

half the population (plus or minus a few percentage points) doesn't vote. about 2/3 of them don't even pretend. The other 1/3 actively look for reasons not to vote. He's a nutjob, he's too old, for that reason, I'm out. that plus or minus a few percentage points is the election. motivation to GOTV is paramount. anti-trump with a net-negative biden isn't a safe bet. last time it was anti-trump and neutral biden and he won.  and before anyone assume I'm anti-biden, I'm not. I'm livid it looks like his admin isn't getting a second term whether by losing or by stepping down.

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Is anyone going to start a candidate “coaching” thread? Or is that taboo? I am not bc I have zero cache here but I think it might be more fun than the doom loop.

 

If Biden steps aside and Kamala is passed over in favor of a mini-convention and she is not the nominee I think a ticket of Whitmer/Shapiro (whatever order) would be the one most feared by Repubs. Or Shapiro/Buttigieg. But that’s assuming a lot of things obviously. I think bc of Roe v Wade a woman should be on the ticket—it is nearly impossible to debate that issue against a woman optics wise no matter what people’s personal beliefs are.
 

All or this is assuming any of the people on that potential ticket will run. That Biden will step aside. That Kamala won’t get anointed or won’t outlast her mini-field of competitors. It also doesn’t take into account how the backbone/black base of the part will react to having Biden removed (it’s clear if he steps aside it wasn’t by choice to all of us) and also taking away Kamala. That is a problem.

 I can’t see him being the nominee. No matter what his camp and he are saying.  Behind the scenes I am sure excruciating pressure is being brought to bear to make sure he steps aside quickly. They tried the carrot. Then the carrot and the stick. He hasn’t budged. Now it’s baseball bats and blow torches. it’s just 34 members of Congress now. Wait until Monday morning. 
 

I know everyone on this forum thinks this will be the last real election if Trump wins (I don’t) but if there is another election in 4 years I would welcome earlier conventions two weeks apart with the incumbent side going last. And there would be this mini-blitz primary and those top candidates get the vote at the convention. And hit the ground running. I would love to see that happen. In the future. If there is a future. We would be able to see a lot of candidates that simply can’t run bc of a money issue. We would feel quite frankly better about the choices. And we could really focus on the policies and the issues. The issues and the platforms and visions for the future. More than we do the lesser of two evils which many times most of us have felt has been the case. 
 

 

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8 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

CDN media

There is no throw up 🤮 🤢 emoji reaction but Matt and Kimberly….

Absolutely horror film stuff. This is why people shouldn’t mess with their faces. But the ugly on the inside always comes out. Kim was at least pretty before the ghastly sort of Elvira meets Disney cartoon villainess. I have expected her to turn into a dragon like Maleficent and eat some of the people in the crowd. The only safe ones would be the MSNBC anchors bc they weren’t actually present. 

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8 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

The Leroy Jenkins strategy in which you take no outside input to inform your decisions. 
Bold, maybe.

Stupid, yes.

Losing strategy. We’ll see? [probably though]

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3 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

The Leroy Jenkins strategy in which you take no outside input to inform your decisions. 
Bold, maybe.

Stupid, yes.

Losing strategy. We’ll see? [probably though]

Now is the time to fight about it. After the convention, just come together and work assess off to keep Trump from winning. End of story. 

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I think it's reasonable to look at margin of victory in certain states.  It was mighty slim in a few cases.

Arizona -- < 11K for Biden

Wisconsin -- < 21K for Biden

Georgia -- < 12K for Biden (hence the phone call)

Does that tell the whole story?  No, but neither does 81M vs 74M.

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Just now, Js1 said:

Now is the time to fight about it. After the convention, just come together and work assess off to keep Trump from winning. End of story. 

dems have until their convention to get this shit right and in the meantime they better be running on generic Dem vs. Trump to get the anti-trump sentiment higher. I'm really not expecting a well thought out strategy nor a well executed strategy between now and then anyway. it's a cluster fuck and everyone is to blame (read that last part as howard hughes with the music to make yourself feel better).

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I think it's reasonable to look at margin of victory in certain states.  It was mighty slim in a few cases.

Arizona -- < 11K for Biden

Wisconsin -- < 21K for Biden

Georgia -- < 12K for Biden (hence the phone call)

Does that tell the whole story?  No, but neither does 81M vs 74M.

Yeah, the electoral college is doing a bang up job for democracy. 

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The Leroy Jenkins strategy in which you take no outside input to inform your decisions. 
Bold, maybe.
Stupid, yes.
Losing strategy. We’ll see? [probably though]

If it makes you feel any better, we’re gonna lose with Biden or without him. This fight is just about the right way to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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4 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

Do you think biden has thought what his legacy would be if he runs and loses to trump with even 10% of project 2025 making it into legislation? 

No? Maybe? None of us can know what’s going on in the inner circle. I’m sure it has been mentioned in private conversations with people trying to persuade him to step down. But how many of those people are getting thru now? He’s mad. Feels betrayed and abandoned and his top people are like “don’t watch the news. No one does anymore.” Maybe they are doing the press clippings thing with him (cue Mike Leach) and only showing him positive stuff. His legacy will be destroyed. That’s putting it mildly. And Jill while a favorite before will be side-eyed at any political event afterwards. I don’t think either have thought about that. Jmo. 

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:


If it makes you feel any better, we’re gonna lose with Biden or without him. This fight is just about the right way to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.

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8 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

This Bouzy guy was team Amber Heard and was defending her hard in the media during the Johnny Depp trial. He was promoting the idea Amber was a helpless victim of domestic violence when was clear she is a violent and manipulative pathological liar. Bouzy was extremely confident she would win the trial and she lost on everything. Bouzy pushing hard for Biden makes me think Biden will be absolutely doomed in the election. 

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Just now, Brisketexan said:


If it makes you feel any better, we’re gonna lose with Biden or without him. This fight is just about the right way to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.

I can almost see it
That dream you’re dreaming
But there's a voice inside my head saying
We'll never reach it

Every step they’re taking
Every move they make feels
Lost with no direction
My faith is shaking

But they, they gotta keep trying
Gotta keep my head held high

There's always gonna be another mountain
I'm always gonna wanna make it move
Always gonna be an uphill battle
Sometimes I'm gonna have to lose
Ain't about how fast I get there
Ain't about what's waiting on the other side
It's the climb

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9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


If it makes you feel any better, we’re gonna lose with Biden or without him. This fight is just about the right way to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.

I really hope you're wrong, but I'm pretty sure you're right. 

The Democrats have managed to fuck up a gimme.

 

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3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I really hope you're wrong, but I'm pretty sure you're right. 

The Democrats have managed to fuck up a gimme.

 

Ain’t no gimme presidential elections anymore

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Because Donald Trump is the opposing candidate. 

That should be easy.

 

Lol are you stuck in 2016? “How could we lose to Trump?”

Inflation/vibecession

foreign propaganda

Gaza

Complicit media 

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5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

This one was as easy as it gets.

The Democrats!

On paper yes. Behind the scenes of the inner circle stuff was being hidden about whatever is going on with Biden. But yes, in sales they call it low hanging fruit. Imagine a sell that you Tommy Boy up like that. To be fair it genuinely appears as that most Dems on the Hill had no clue it was this bad. The good days bad days thing. They didn’t know. Until the debate. 
 

I know it feels like this ⬇️ now but the Dems will pull together. Unite. Unless Biden steps aside as nominee but refuses to go down and runs as an independent out of spite. 
 

but yes, right now it does appear like this:

 

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Lol are you stuck in 2016? “How could we lose to Trump?”

Inflation/vibecession

foreign propaganda

Gaza

Complicit media 

Even with all of those things, beating Donald Trump should have been a lay up.

 

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They are actually weekend at Bernie'sing Biden at this point it's not some media conspiracy. Go watch the fucking interviews they are nowhere even close to good. Are they bad enough for 25th amendment? Maybe. That's the problem. That's the line we are at now. 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

They are actually weekend at Bernie'sing Biden at this point it's not some media conspiracy. Go watch the fucking interviews they are nowhere even close to good. Are they bad enough for 25th amendment? Maybe. That's the problem. That's the line we are at now. 

The thing is if that happens Repubs will make Dems do it. I don’t know how many Dems in House and senate bc it’s like an impeachment. But Repubs can abstain. Or vote no. They aren’t going hard in the paint right now bc they want to face Biden. I’ve heard the pundits. Repubs don’t want to be tagged as the ones who took Biden away and off the ticket. Now will they absolutely launch investigations on Biden’s health and records and who knew what when later? You bet your ass. His debate performance gave every conspiracy theorist on the right validation that it could be true. Repubs will make Dems do it. Think about the restraint. Normally they’d be screaming at the hill for him to be removed. 

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1 hour ago, troph said:

btw - my student debt profile from 2002:

  - $60,000 (Univ. of Texas / Private law school)
  - all interest subsidized while in school (9 years)
  - fixed rate, 2.95% (when market rate was 7.25% for a home loan)
  - 25 year term
  - $300/month repayment
  - starting salary out of law school, $160,000

My year and total amount were the same, but I had a bachelors (in chemistry). My first job paid $16 an hour (bench analyst). Then after only a couple of years, I had a period of unemployment and stopped paying, which led to default and all of the penalties for that. Climbed out of that hole. Been paying on time for 15 years now, but only minimums so still have 15k left to go at about 160 per month. Pretty sure I’ve paid back well over the initial 60k.  Wouldn’t mind having the last bit discharged. 
 

Yes, choices have been made over the years. Such as paying infertility treatments to have a family.  We did not have a period of 2 incomes/no kids to save money, due to a couple of unemployment phases and the infertility. That would have really helped.  
 

I have always felt that student loans were highly punitive to my situation, and I wish they could be changed so that they don’t do things like kill credit ratings, have penalties for late or non payment, and have default and recovery interest rates at subprime levels. 
 

I know there needs to be some incentive to pay them but it sure made it difficult to recover. 

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1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

The thing is if that happens Repubs will make Dems do it. I don’t know how many Dems in House and senate bc it’s like an impeachment. But Repubs can abstain. Or vote no. They aren’t going hard in the paint right now bc they want to face Biden. I’ve heard the pundits. Repubs don’t want to be tagged as the ones who took Biden away and off the ticket. Now will they absolutely launch investigations on Biden’s health and records and who knew what when later? You bet your ass. His debate performance gave every conspiracy theorist on the right validation that it could be true. Repubs will make Dems do it. Think about the restraint. Normally they’d be screaming at the hill for him to be removed. 

It's not a conspiracy theory. He's been mush brained for a while but could at least pull his shit together for major events and scripted talking points. 

The NATO summit presser was BARELY passable. It was fucking sad. He didn't completely fuck it, but it was embarrassing and showed significant weakness at the global scale. This isn't conspiracy theory nonsense. This is confirmed by the majority of the presser questions being about his mental fitness and not NATO related. It was bad. 

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

It's not a conspiracy theory. He's been mush brained for a while but could at least pull his shit together for major events and scripted talking points. 

The NATO summit presser was BARELY passable. It was fucking sad. He didn't completely fuck it, but it was embarrassing and showed significant weakness at the global scale. This isn't conspiracy theory nonsense. This is confirmed by the majority of the presser questions being about his mental fitness and not NATO related. It was bad. 

The sad part is the stability of the country is still orders of magnitude better than when Trump was in office. Like shit anyone could do that job if they trust the right advisors and appoint the right people.

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6 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

My year and total amount were the same, but I had a bachelors (in chemistry). My first job paid $16 an hour (bench analyst). Then after only a couple of years, I had a period of unemployment and stopped paying, which led to default and all of the penalties for that. Climbed out of that hole. Been paying on time for 15 years now, but only minimums so still have 15k left to go at about 160 per month. Pretty sure I’ve paid back well over the initial 60k.  Wouldn’t mind having the last bit discharged. 
 

Yes, choices have been made over the years. Such as paying infertility treatments to have a family.  We did not have a period of 2 incomes/no kids to save money, due to a couple of unemployment phases and the infertility. That would have really helped.  
 

I have always felt that student loans were highly punitive to my situation, and I wish they could be changed so that they don’t do things like kill credit ratings, have penalties for late or non payment, and have default and recovery interest rates at subprime levels. 
 

I know there needs to be some incentive to pay them but it sure made it difficult to recover. 

whether you get some loan forgiveness or not, the unemployment should not have resulted in that outcome. no way. these are backed by the government, guaranteed, and with that added assurance should come more benefits for the borrower. I think that situation was total bullshit.

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Wait Vance actually wrote a book and Glen Close agreed to star in a movie about this fascist fucks life? I thought those were jokes earlier in this thread but just saw it pop up on Netflix. JFC, yeah this is a fucking simulation. No doubt in my mind anymore.

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6 minutes ago, immamac said:

It's not a conspiracy theory. He's been mush brained for a while but could at least pull his shit together for major events and scripted talking points. 

The NATO summit presser was BARELY passable. It was fucking sad. He didn't completely fuck it, but it was embarrassing and showed significant weakness at the global scale. This isn't conspiracy theory nonsense. This is confirmed by the majority of the presser questions being about his mental fitness and not NATO related. It was bad. 

Not disagreeing with you. Some conspiracy folks have thought he’s been like this for a year or more and that’s why he’s been hidden. And much of the press was saying it’s all bullshit until the debate. In their eyes, everyone knew and it was this vast conspiracy. It’s bullshit to me but his debate performance and everything after gave their thoughts new life. Which is dumb. But they believe this shit. 

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1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

Not disagreeing with you. Some conspiracy folks have thought he’s been like this for a year or more and that’s why he’s been hidden. And much of the press was saying it’s all bullshit until the debate. In their eyes, everyone knew and it was this vast conspiracy. It’s bullshit to me but his debate performance and everything after gave their thoughts new life. Which is dumb. But they believe this shit. 

Well the GOP has been laying the groundwork for this since 2021. 

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5 minutes ago, &#x27;stache said:

Wait Vance actually wrote a book and Glen Close agreed to star in a movie about this fascist fucks life? I thought those were jokes earlier in this thread but just saw it pop up on Netflix. JFC, yeah this is a fucking simulation. No doubt in my mind anymore.

leave it to the GOP to have the first ticket with IMDB listings.



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