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2 hours ago, mbtex said:

When they let EDM player slash Hintz foot and then let them slash it again when He returned. There was no retaliation I knew they were toast just no fight they were bullied and just took it.

 

  

While I appreciate the pound of flesh, you have to be really careful about that in the playoffs. 

Deliberately trying to crack back at an Edmonton player (let's say Darnell Nurse for sake of argument) is unlikely to leave much of an impression. If it's something insane with an intent to send a message (Derian Hatcher is my favorite Star), then you're likely to draw a 5 minute major penalty and get that player suspended for a couple games. Anything else is probably just going to be a 2 minute minor penalty and go unnoticed by the target. 

In the regular season, you might be able to do that. In the playoffs, the score is just too important to casually feed Edmonton a PP. 

Now, one area where I'd like the Stars to improve is body mass on the front lines. We've got speed and skill. I think the playoff struggles would be helped by being able to forecheck with sufficient ferocity that we earn more turnovers and are able to punish opponents while still pretending to stay within the rules. Benn used to be able to do that, but he arrives long after he'd be useful these days.

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the stars, on average per player, are a pound heavier than the oilers. size/weight wasn't the issue here.  I think the post mortem on this season will actually be age. we might have gotten a little too young/inexperienced. EDM is the 2nd oldest team in the league. they have a ton of experience at this point. I still maintain the cup winner is coming from the west this season, and I see no reason to change that prediction now. I think they wipe the floor with FLA. we shall see.

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I agree to some extent But when a guy takes a second shot at Hintz after coming back from injury someone needs to get run. 

 

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10 minutes ago, mbtex said:

I agree to some extent But when a guy takes a second shot at Hintz after coming back from injury someone needs to get run. 

 

that's just not how shit is played anymore, especially when you're playing a team like EDM - the league's darling (or one of them). had that been, say, WPG instead, I bet there would have been a more brazen comeback. but we were getting our asses kicked up and down and losing anyone was simply not an option. they played it the right way, despite the disappointing outcome

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Disappointing finish.  Not ready to get into all of the post season stuff yet, but did watch Deboer's press conference and kind of hated it.   If there was ever a time for just BS coach speak it was then.  He was clearly beyond frustrated with his team's performance but you can't drive a wedge between your franchise goalie.  Pulling him, deserved or not, right move or not, was plenty without the additional comments.    Jake wasn't good enough this series but he was crucial in winning the first 2 series.  Also, a lot of the guys in the room he was bashing won't be there. The time for that kind of messaging is training camp with a new team IMO.

One thing I think is becoming clear is it really helps if you can finish off an early series in 4 or 5.  We just looked more tired across the board and Jake played more games than any other goalie in the playoffs to date and it showed on him.  I wonder if this team could have given Edmonton a better shot if we didn't get such a difficult first round opponent both years that took all 7.  Regardless, absolutely deserved to lose this series.

Lots to unpack for post-season but probably going to take a couple of weeks before I start reading all of that.

Also, not going back and reading all post game hot takes, but if someone actually said Fire Nil that is just about the dumbest fucking take I've seen in a Stars thread.  JFC.

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I think Matthew Tkachuk is a dick, and most of the Florida roster are dicks, but they stick up for each other.  After Domi made that hit on Barkov in round 2 Florida sent a message to Toronto.   When Nurse slashed Roope nobody did a fucking thing.  

Florida is in the finals, Dallas is scheduling tee times.  

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3 hours ago, C-Man said:

I think the Stars need to resist the urge to throw everything away in response to last night and this series. (I don't think they will. Nill is the best executive this team has had since Bob Gainey. DeBoer is the best coach we've had since Hitchcock.) Edmonton is a fantastic team -- and the Oilers played a great series. I was worried about them coming into the series and it played out just as I feared. This is a Stars team that's been in the final four three consecutive years. They are close. Extremely close.

Benn is a UFA as his $9M annual contract ended last night. Seguin's $9.85M annual contract runs through the 26/27 season.

Here's a look at current contract situation: https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/dallas-stars/overview

Those Dumba/Lyubushkin contracts aren't great, buddy, and they run through next season.

for avoidance of doubt, i assume the 25/26 allocation does not include benn at any number

and only 5m of cap when upgrades are required is going to be more changes than "tweaks"

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24 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

that's just not how shit is played anymore, especially when you're playing a team like EDM - the league's darling (or one of them). had that been, say, WPG instead, I bet there would have been a more brazen comeback. but we were getting our asses kicked up and down and losing anyone was simply not an option. they played it the right way, despite the disappointing outcome

at the end of game 1 every oilstain on the ice took a star down and pinned them

league action?  none

did we play it the right way and not retaliate?  yes

but that's what we're up against

there are 2 standards

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22 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Disappointing finish.  Not ready to get into all of the post season stuff yet, but did watch Deboer's press conference and kind of hated it.   If there was ever a time for just BS coach speak it was then.  He was clearly beyond frustrated with his team's performance but you can't drive a wedge between your franchise goalie.  Pulling him, deserved or not, right move or not, was plenty without the additional comments.    Jake wasn't good enough this series but he was crucial in winning the first 2 series.  Also, a lot of the guys in the room he was bashing won't be there. The time for that kind of messaging is training camp with a new team IMO.

One thing I think is becoming clear is it really helps if you can finish off an early series in 4 or 5.  We just looked more tired across the board and Jake played more games than any other goalie in the playoffs to date and it showed on him.  I wonder if this team could have given Edmonton a better shot if we didn't get such a difficult first round opponent both years that took all 7.  Regardless, absolutely deserved to lose this series.

Lots to unpack for post-season but probably going to take a couple of weeks before I start reading all of that.

Also, not going back and reading all post game hot takes, but if someone actually said Fire Nil that is just about the dumbest fucking take I've seen in a Stars thread.  JFC.

I don't disagree. Best not say too much in the heat of the moment. Even if you don't believe it, you say you pulled Otter because the team was not ready and you were trying to light a spark. Like it or not, Otter is this team's goalie going into next season. Let the players say stupid off-the-cuff stuff that can be walked back later. Coach is supposed to be the adult in the room. I like DeBoer a lot. Would love for him to finally get a championship and do it in Dallas. I trust Nill will continue to do smart things for this organization.

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20 minutes ago, Bill Brasky said:

I think Matthew Tkachuk is a dick, and most of the Florida roster are dicks, but they stick up for each other.  After Domi made that hit on Barkov in round 2 Florida sent a message to Toronto.   When Nurse slashed Roope nobody did a fucking thing. 

we're going to find out real fast what the league intends for this series

if florida is allowed to put oil's big 3 on their butts then it will be an even series and go 6 or 7

if not, oil in 5, with florida castrated and sacrificed for the canadian title

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22 minutes ago, Bill Brasky said:

I think Matthew Tkachuk is a dick, and most of the Florida roster are dicks, but they stick up for each other.  After Domi made that hit on Barkov in round 2 Florida sent a message to Toronto.   When Nurse slashed Roope nobody did a fucking thing.  

Florida is in the finals, Dallas is scheduling tee times.  

I'm tired of debating this point (not on this thread, in my stars text chain as it's been a non-stop discussion).  My personal view is we absolutely should have done something in the closing minutes of game 3 and dared them to suspend our guy and not Nurse but after that we were playing from behind and couldn't risk a 5 minute major or suspension retaliating. In hindsight given we lost anyways, maybe that was wrong, but at the time I thought it made sense.   But someone definitely should have done something at home down 3-0 in game 3.  That pissed me off.

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5 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

at the end of game 1 every oilstain on the ice took a star down and pinned them

league action?  none

did we play it the right way and not retaliate?  yes

but that's what we're up against

there are 2 standards

That kind of thing happens all the time after the final whistle and there's not any action taken by the league. Nor should there be. It was actually relatively tame compared to some post-match brouhahas. Issue some pointless PIM if you feel necessary but that wasn't worth anybody getting disciplined over.

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14 minutes ago, C-Man said:

That kind of thing happens all the time after the final whistle and there's not any action taken by the league. Nor should there be. It was actually relatively tame compared to some post-match brouhahas. Issue some pointless PIM if you feel necessary but that wasn't worth anybody getting disciplined over.

so you're saying if we did the same thing after game 2 or game 3 nothing would have happened.....  right?

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1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

so you're saying if we did the same thing after game 2 or game 3 nothing would have happened.....  right?

Absolutely nothing would've happened, nor should it have. Games end all the time with scrums like that.

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Last night, Mattias Jannmark scored after a 96ft up pass that came from the corner of EDM's D-zone to the opposite corner blue line. A single entry pass from that point sprung him in for a clean look. If you're going to win the Conference Finals series, you can't allow those things. 

What I'm going to remember about this series is all the times the Oilers snapped precision passes through the O-zone that led to perfect one-timer shots. Contrast that to Dallas, who seemed to have to stop and dig every puck out of their skates, dust it off, then look up to see what was next. Edmonton just made the game move too fast and too precise to play like that.

Roope's injury was mostly an unfortunate occurrence. It was properly whistled for the slash, but usually slashes like that are just annoying. Nurse just happened to catch him on a nerve or bone or something. The injury was real, but really random. In the same way, I'm still not sure how Hyman even made contact with Mush to end up with season ending surgery. Something just got hung up in the way when two players passed each other.

That said, someone might likely take an extra whack at Mr. Nurse at some point next season.

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24 minutes ago, GoldAppleCorps said:

Last night, Mattias Jannmark scored after a 96ft up pass that came from the corner of EDM's D-zone to the opposite corner blue line. A single entry pass from that point sprung him in for a clean look. If you're going to win the Conference Finals series, you can't allow those things. 

What I'm going to remember about this series is all the times the Oilers snapped precision passes through the O-zone that led to perfect one-timer shots. Contrast that to Dallas, who seemed to have to stop and dig every puck out of their skates, dust it off, then look up to see what was next. Edmonton just made the game move too fast and too precise to play like that.

Roope's injury was mostly an unfortunate occurrence. It was properly whistled for the slash, but usually slashes like that are just annoying. Nurse just happened to catch him on a nerve or bone or something. The injury was real, but really random. In the same way, I'm still not sure how Hyman even made contact with Mush to end up with season ending surgery. Something just got hung up in the way when two players passed each other.

That said, someone might likely take an extra whack at Mr. Nurse at some point next season.

If memory serves, the Janmark goal came as a result a really, really lazy line change by the Stars.

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On 5/30/2025 at 3:02 PM, C-Man said:

If memory serves, the Janmark goal came as a result a really, really lazy line change by the Stars.

Didn’t see this one specifically, but on many of their 2 line passes to spring someone, it was the result of a forward either not back checking hard and hanging around the red line expecting a quick turnover and pass, or a forward reading the play and leaking out past center during a corner scrum or loose puck.  And with Dallas D at the points the oilers first look was a long pass through the middle. 
 

and- the oilers bench got a stern 30 second talking to about the cheap shot in game 4 to hintz’s foot, so good good apparently. 
 

id like to think we have some things in store for nurse and Bouchard at least, next season. But im not going to be out there asked to do it or grab an oiler when the melee starts, so I won’t be upset if they don’t. Just a little disappointed. 

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16 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Didn’t see this one specifically, but on many of their 2 line passes to spring someone, it was the result of a forward either not back checking hard and hanging around the red line expecting a quick turnover and pass, or a forward reading the play and leaking out past center during a corner scrum or loose puck.  And with Dallas D at the points the oilers first look was a long pass through the middle. 
 

and- the oilers bench got a stern 30 second talking to about the cheap shot in game 4 to hintz’s foot, so good good apparently. 
 

id like to think we have some things in store for nurse and Bouchard at least, next season. But im not going to be out there asked to do it or grab an oiler when the melee starts, so I won’t be upset if they don’t. Just a little disappointed. 

the oilers were better, but make no mistake the NHL was going to make sure this didn't come down to a game 7 on Dallas ice.  It is as plain as can be.

I hate Florida and I hope they fuck those motherfuckers in 4.

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