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Shutdown-ready Trump expects Democrats to blink

It seems like everyone expects this to happen, and I agree. @Bateshorn I’m curious what the vibe is on the ground

I hate this game. As a matter of principle I don’t think the Government should ever shut down. The debt ceiling should be eliminated, for the simply reason that it has totally failed in its ostensible purpose and incentivizes playing chicken with people’s lives. 
 

a few points on the politics:

1) For the first time I can remember, there is *zero* reason for the minority party to help the majority with this. 

2) For once, I think the President’s usually excellent political instincts have failed him on two points:

First, If a prolonged shutdown happens, the GOP will wear it, and he’ll wear more of it than the Senate and House leadership. He has successfully convinced the public that he’s fully in control. He’ll actually take the blame here on the Republican side, and it will surprise him. 
Second, I don’t think the Democrats will cave this time. Of course it’s a lose-lose situation, but I *think* they have realized that the price of weakness is higher than the price of a shutdown, both long-term and short-term. 
The GOP will have to fix this themselves. 
 

3) Of course, there are any number of ways the Democrats could cock this up. This is the party of Elizabeth Warren, after all. But all they really need to do here is play possum because the public doesn’t seem to expect the Government to actually shut down, and if it does, and a couple weeks go by, there’s going to be considerable heat and GOP reps and senators are going to wind up with the hot potato when the president throws it in their direction if the Dems don’t fold.
 

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Republican voters will never ever ever blame King Orange or their Congress. It’s always the democrats fault. His instincts are spot on as always. We’re a stupid country who overwhelmingly elects shitheads. I say shut it the fuck down.

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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

3) Of course, there are any number of ways the Democrats could cock this up. This is the party of Elizabeth Warren, after all. But all they really need to do here is play possum because the public doesn’t seem to expect the Government to actually shut down, and if it does, and a couple weeks go by, there’s going to be considerable heat and GOP reps and senators are going to wind up with the hot potato when the president throws it in their direction if the Dems don’t fold.

The Dems will fuck this up.  Maybe in a new and creative way, but they'll fuck it up.  The Keystone Kops laugh at the incompetency of the Democratic party.

But.....even that won't matter, because no matter what....

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Republican voters will never ever ever blame King Orange or their Congress. It’s always the democrats fault. His instincts are spot on as always. We’re a stupid country who overwhelmingly elects shitheads.

^^^ THIS.

Reality doesn't matter.  Not at all.  Shit, reality and facts only make them mad.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The Dems will fuck this up.  Maybe in a new and creative way, but they'll fuck it up.  The Keystone Kops laugh at the incompetency of the Democratic party.

Dems have managed to fall into a position where every minor annoyance is their fault. 

Cracker Barrel’s new logo sucks? Democrats.

There are too many non-whites on TV commercials? Democrats.

Starbucks didn’t wish me a Merry Christmas last October? Democrats.

They ruined our beloved green M&M gooner bait? Democrats. 

It’s amazing. Every single pop culture development that annoys the dingdongs on the right gets attributed to the Dems or “woke.” It’s the old “Thanks, Obama” meme writ large. 

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26 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Republican voters will never ever ever blame King Orange or their Congress. It’s always the democrats fault.

He was elected by a majority voting  coalition that intensely distrusts and dislikes each other and “Republican voters” are not the plurality. It does not matter who they blame. Like, at all.
What matters is who everyone else blames, and what matters even more than that is subset the people who have real agency and stroke, and who they worry about pleasing. If a shutdown happens this is going to get uncomfortable for them. 

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10 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

It’s amazing. Every single pop culture development that annoys the dingdongs on the right gets attributed to the Dems or “woke.” It’s the old “Thanks, Obama” meme writ large. 

As an aside, this board has a bad case of Democrat brain, a combination of internalized victimhood and a massive excess of fucks given. 
The only way Democrats and co-belligerents like me will get off the back foot is if we all stop worrying so much about our what they do and start making our own weather.

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2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

He was elected by a majority voting  coalition that intensely distrusts and dislikes each other and “Republican voters” are not the plurality. It does not matter who they blame. Like, at all.
What matters is who everyone else blames, and what matters even more than that is subset the people who have real agency and stroke, and who they worry about pleasing. If a shutdown happens this is going to get uncomfortable for them. 

But will the Dems have the message of "we are going to stand firm on behalf of the hardworking American people while the Republicans keep trying to rig things more in favor of their billionaire masters" on repeat?  And just don't engage when Trump says trans, and illegals, and all that shit?  Just stick with "we're fighting for the people, they're fighting for the billionaires?"

No.  They'll fuck it up.  Completely.

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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Republican voters will never ever ever blame King Orange or their Congress. It’s always the democrats fault. His instincts are spot on as always. We’re a stupid country who overwhelmingly elects shitheads. I say shut it the fuck down.

This this and this. And the other stuff that has been said. I dont think people realize how fucking dumb the american public is

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22 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

No.  They'll fuck it up.  Completely.

I’m sure they will come up with some new way to fuck this up. 

For the record, if I was driving the bus, I think simplicity works best here.
If I was Hakeem Jeffries and Schumer I would give my caucuses an edict: 

“The Republican caucus has taken itself hostage and we will neither negotiate nor beg for mercy. We will vote for a suitable funding bill when one is brought before us.

From this point forward and until either the end of a shutdown or specifically instructed otherwise you are not to bring up the shutdown or engage in any substantive discussion of how it might end. Accept any and all media opportunities you wish but do not engage in discussion about the shutdown, particularly when appearing on Fox News. If asked, all questions about the shutdown, public and private, are to be answered with three words: ‘ask Mike Johnson.’ Follow up questions should be answered the same way until the end of the interview or the line of questioning changes. ‘Ask Mike Johnson’ is the only message you need.”
 

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3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I’m sure they will come up with some new way to fuck this up. 

For the record, if I was driving the bus, I think simplicity works best here.
If I was Hakeem Jeffries and Schumer I would give my caucuses an edict: 

“The Republican caucus has taken itself hostage and we will neither negotiate nor beg for mercy. We will vote for a suitable funding bill when one is brought before us.

From this point forward and until either the end of a shutdown or specifically instructed otherwise you are not to bring up the shutdown or engage in any substantive discussion of how it might end. Accept any and all media opportunities you wish but do not engage in discussion about the shutdown, particularly when appearing on Fox News. If asked, all questions about the shutdown, public and private, are to be answered with three words: ‘ask Mike Johnson.’ Follow up questions should be answered the same way until the end of the interview or the line of questioning changes. ‘Ask Mike Johnson’ is the only message you need.”
 

Yep.  They need tight, consistent messaging.  I still think "we're always ready and willing to take action to help the American people, as soon as Mike Johnson is finished serving his billionaire bosses" is helpful.  People. Not billionaires.  That's who we represent, that's who we'll fight for.

That's the entire message.

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Schumer's entire approach this time feels like he's implicitly saying "sorry I fucked up badly last time let me prove it won't happen again" to the rest of the party. There's no end game, not that there has to be, but I really don't sense any other real coherent thought behind this. It does make messaging things difficult, but Trump will take the majority of the blame no matter what so Bozo's proposal is as good as any.

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Once again, my wife will have to work, because of her national security status, but will not receive pay for the work she does until afterward.   As she has said many times; even though she knows she will receive backpay, it is mentally exhausting knowing you are going to work on an IOU.

Que Sera Sera.

 

 

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