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The House needed an additional signature on a discharge petition to move forward with an obligation to release. The new Arizona rep provides that, and could have long ago but Mike Johnson sent the House home and refused to swear her in until the Senate voted on a budget resolution. 

Yeah, I get all of that, but for the 6 Democrat senators who voted to end the shutdown, was there a hidden agenda pertaining to the Epstein files, or was that merely coincidence?
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5 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:


Yeah, I get all of that, but for the 6 Democrat senators who voted to end the shutdown, was there a hidden agenda pertaining to the Epstein files, or was that merely coincidence?

Seems a little too timely to be coincidental. Caving for nothing when they knew it be wildly unpopular, and pawning it off on exactly the right number of congressmen not up for reelection leads me to believe that they knew something was coming this week.

But giving Democrats credit for any kind of next level planning is really difficult.

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The timing isn’t terrible in retrospect. The shutdown is over which allows the media to move on from that, to immediately be replaced by new Epstein information. Mike Johnson had to swear in Rep Grijalva and away we go.

Whether it was planned that way or not, we’ll probably never know.

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3 hours ago, wild_turkey said:


Yeah, I get all of that, but for the 6 Democrat senators who voted to end the shutdown, was there a hidden agenda pertaining to the Epstein files, or was that merely coincidence?

If by coincidence you mean their corporate lords in the transportation industry pulled their puppet strings and reminded them how much money they've bribed them with. Not just those ones that voted but the entire senate. 

Republicans dont have to worry about that because the corporate lords are afraid of trump. So they put all the pressure on democrats in the senate to cave and give them what they want. 

This country's system of government is broken beyond repair. It would take a full scale civil war and a complete scrap of the government and reinstalling a new government to even have a chance at staving off destruction now. Everyone in this thing is bought off. 

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34 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

So I assume all these dispensaries are fucked?

I think they've got a one year time horizon before the music stops? IDK though, there was not republican unity on this issue, I could see them doing a bill to go for some midterm votes

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On 9/26/2025 at 1:53 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

Shutdown-ready Trump expects Democrats to blink

It seems like everyone expects this to happen, and I agree. @Bateshorn I’m curious what the vibe is on the ground

I hate this game. As a matter of principle I don’t think the Government should ever shut down. The debt ceiling should be eliminated, for the simply reason that it has totally failed in its ostensible purpose and incentivizes playing chicken with people’s lives. 
 

a few points on the politics:

1) For the first time I can remember, there is *zero* reason for the minority party to help the majority with this. 

2) For once, I think the President’s usually excellent political instincts have failed him on two points:

First, If a prolonged shutdown happens, the GOP will wear it, and he’ll wear more of it than the Senate and House leadership. He has successfully convinced the public that he’s fully in control. He’ll actually take the blame here on the Republican side, and it will surprise him. 
Second, I don’t think the Democrats will cave this time. Of course it’s a lose-lose situation, but I *think* they have realized that the price of weakness is higher than the price of a shutdown, both long-term and short-term. 
The GOP will have to fix this themselves. 
 

3) Of course, there are any number of ways the Democrats could cock this up. This is the party of Elizabeth Warren, after all. But all they really need to do here is play possum because the public doesn’t seem to expect the Government to actually shut down, and if it does, and a couple weeks go by, there’s going to be considerable heat and GOP reps and senators are going to wind up with the hot potato when the president throws it in their direction if the Dems don’t fold.
 

Revisiting the original post for posterity

1) The Democrats didn’t help them, for 6 weeks. The longest shutdown in history. During that time they swept elections, their numbers went up, and they came back at the end with the Epstein bomb to take control of the news. I criticize Democrats nonstop,  but this was flawless weathermaking.

2) The GOP did wear it, and their president wore it more than either House or Senate Leadership, and it did seem to surprise him, and he did throw it in Congress lap when it didn’t go the way he wanted. Nothing they tried for 6 weeks worked. Now he’s rattled, the base is rattled, Thune is rattled, and everyone is mad at Mike Johnson.
And on top of all that, because the oversight Dems were apparently sitting on the Epstein emails for this moment, Trump was unable to take a victory lap at his signing ceremony ending the shutdown and had to run from questions.


3) The Democrats did find a way to cock this up, by setting the bar for success awkwardly high, but didn’t pay any price for it and are coming out in better shape than they went in. 
 

On 9/26/2025 at 2:26 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

As an aside, this board has a bad case of Democrat brain, a combination of internalized victimhood and a massive excess of fucks given. 
The only way Democrats and co-belligerents like me will get off the back foot is if we all stop worrying so much about our what they do and start making our own weather.

Correct. Despite coming out ahead, Democrat base voters are still convinced their leaders chickened out, because they did!  But honestly, that anger is a great outcome.

Democrats won the shutdown, QED:

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