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All this bullshit, distraction, and coverup to distract from the Epstein coverup.
 

I’m thinking about leaning towards the fact that they’ve bit off more than they can chew and it will unravel.

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15 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Go down meaning what? A cushy job in the private sector?

Doubtful.  This is shit that ends careers.  Not a good market for former flag officers who lose their rank/end up with felonies on their record, because they are useless. The private sector hires flag officers because flag officers give them access to people or places they want access to.  They wouldn't get that here.

And Trump and Whiskey Pete will absolutely burn this guy.

12 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

 

If you're a senior officer, and your boss, the Secretary of Defense, is on social media proclaiming you a hero and telling everybody he's got your back and that you did no wrong....

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1 minute ago, tx ind said:

I’m thinking about leaning towards the fact that they’ve bit off more than they can chew and it will unravel.

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None of these people can ultimately trust one another - they'll all burn everybody else before they are caught without a chair when the music stops.

And I would be willing to bet that they absolutely believed they are right in their actions - I really doubt they spoke with "the best" civilian and military lawyers up and down the chain of command before all of this started. I want to know why that first admiral resigned.

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2 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Doesn't matter. 

Order came from President. 

President pardons everyone. 

The end.

 President has a 38% approval rating and falling, random MRI’s, and doesn’t know what year it is. 

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Just now, Firemans4Horn said:

 President has a 38% approval rating and falling, random MRI’s, and doesn’t know what year it is. 

And doesn't know that he pardoned the President of Honduras who tried to help smuggle 400 tons of cocaine into the US.

And who was told by Hegseth that the two guys weren't killed, but if they were killed in a second strike, he wouldn't have done the second strike.

And a surprising number of people don't want war with Venezuela, and this is an off-ramp of sorts for Congress to stop it.

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2 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

 President has a 38% approval rating and falling, random MRI’s, and doesn’t know what year it is. 

So he'll agree to it.

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6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I want to know why that first admiral resigned.

We all know the answer to this.  He’s likely a decent dude and the bullshit was absolutely tearing him up inside.

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1 minute ago, tx ind said:

We all know the answer to this.  He’s likely a decent dude and the bullshit was absolutely tearing him up inside.

Even if he wasn't a decent dude, he probably saw where things were headed and wasn't going to take the fall. It was only a matter of time.

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9 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Marjorie Taylor Greene: Fuck Trump!

CR Eeyore contingent: Well, ok, doesn't matter

You think this will be the thing that someone gets held accountable for? 

There will be a Congressional Hearing... Ooooh.

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3 minutes ago, Slacks said:

You think this will be the thing that someone gets held accountable for? 

There will be a Congressional Hearing... Ooooh.

You think Giuliani is living his best life? You think you can get as much as you want to get done when testifying before Congress? Just on a time space frame?

No. Whether you lose or not in this Overton Window is less important than making them expend the resources to pass through every gate to authoritarianism. 

The longer it takes them to deliver their promises to their true believers who noticeably compile under the bus, the better.

There's no end of the movie with a credit roll. 

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I’m not sure if the Dems win on this. End of the day, there are a lot of Americans who would cheer a President murdering drug runners. Duterte got pretty popular in the Philippines following that path, at least for a while. I think Hegseth is more hiding behind Bradley than throwing him under the bus. Bradley was promoted to this role during Trump’s time; he may be a MAGA believer. If Bradley stands behind the order, then the Dems need to attack Bradley to get to Trump or Hegseth. For the ignorant electorate, it’s easy for MAGA to message that as the left wing radicals attacking the patriotic military in defense of those narcoterrorist drug runners.

But, as with many battles, it needs to be fought even if you might get hurt.

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1 minute ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

You think Giuliani is living his best life? You think you can get as much as you want to get done when testifying before Congress? Just on a time space frame?

No. Whether you lose or not in this Overton Window is less important than making them expend the resources to pass through every gate to authoritarianism. 

The longer it takes them to deliver their promises to their true believers who noticeably compile under the bus, the better.

There's no end of the movie with a credit roll. 

Giuliani had a state case... And a federal pardon. He's ok.

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3 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

He could have done jack shit after 9/11 and experienced a better quality of life.

Probably. Fame makes people do stupid.

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24 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I’m not sure if the Dems win on this. End of the day, there are a lot of Americans who would cheer a President murdering drug runners. Duarte got pretty popular in the Philippines following that path, at least for a while. I think Hegseth is more hiding behind Bradley than throwing him under the bus. Bradley was promoted to this role during Trump’s time; he may be a MAGA believer. If Bradley stands behind the order, then the Dems need to attack Bradley to get to Trump or Hegseth. For the ignorant electorate, it’s easy for MAGA to message that as the left wing radicals attacking the patriotic military in defense of those narcoterrorist drug runners.

But, as with many battles, it needs to be fought even if you might get hurt.

The wild card is that most of these people will not go down for each other.

Hegseth is paranoid and insecure on two levels.  First, he and Trump lost their absolute shit when Kelly and the others put out that video. Called for their execution or prosecution. That is somebody getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar and now we know the cookie jar is Venezuela. Both Trump and Hegseth radiated guilt and Trump put it out there that Hegseth told him whatever he told him, so Trump has put it squarely on Hegseth's head. Hegseth knows MAGA will turn on anybody Trump says to turn on. Hegseth very clearly fears that some officer will go up in front of Congress and testify and that video scared him, and now he's couched the language he's using in reference to these strikes that he and Trump thought were popular. He thought that Franklin Turtle thing was cute, now he realizes it wasn't well-received.

The second level of insecurity is that Hegseth is still, at heart, an Army major.  Him threatening to do a uniform inspection of Kelly was, as others have said, the most POG thing somebody in Hegseth's position could ever do. That was an Army major who has never held a major command and felt like he was disrespected and by gawd he's going to make the person pay.

Combine all of this with the fact that every day, Hegseth is surrounded by people who had far superior careers to him and that has to wear on him. Think about it - he makes major and is pushed into the Individual Ready Reserve, which is weird as fuck to me.  He managed to get into the D.C. National Guard but wasn't allowed to participate in Biden's inauguration because of a dumbass tattoo. He only had about 10 years or actual military service, and part of that was National Guard, which great, kudos to him for joining, but at the end of the day, he had a very scattershot career with multiple gaps in service.

And you can bet plenty of Navy, Marine, Air Force, and probably even some Army senior officers all look down upon for him because his military career seems to have went nowhere, and they will all still think of him as a major that never held a large command and that was jumped up to Secretary of Defense.

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Fox News is out there defending it, so they've got their orders and it's probably worse than we thought.

White House confirms second strike against Caribbean drug smugglers | Fox News

And the headline makes it clear who the scapegoat is: Spec ops chief ordered deadly Caribbean strike ‘in self-defense’ with Hegseth’s sign-off, with this nugget:

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The White House said Monday that Hegseth authorized the second strike, but the head of U.S. Special Operations Command, Adm. Frank "Mitch" Bradley, ordered and directed it. At the time of the strike, Bradley was serving as the commander of Joint Special Operations Command, which falls under U.S. Special Operations Command. 

That's got to make both Hegseth and Bradley paranoid.

And Bradley is making an appearance in front of Congress next week about the double strike.

Who is Adm. Frank Bradley, commander who issued second boat strike order

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This administration is nothing but children with vast inferiority complexes

Publisher condemns 'violent' use of Franklin the Turtle after Pete Hegseth's boat strike post

The publisher of Franklin the Turtle released a statement Monday condemning the "violent" use of the children’s book character after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth posted an image with the title “Franklin Targets Narco Terrorists.”

“Franklin the Turtle is a beloved Canadian icon who has inspired generations of children and stands for kindness, empathy, and inclusivity,” the publishing house Kids Can Press wrote in a statement on X.

“We strongly condemn any denigrating, violent, or unauthorized use of Franklin’s name or image, which directly contradicts these values,” the statement read.

Chief Defense Department spokesperson Sean Parnell responded to the publisher in a statement, saying: “We doubt Franklin the Turtle wants to be inclusive of drug cartels… or laud the kindness and empathy of narco-terrorists.”

 

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If you're a senior officer, and your boss, the Secretary of Defense, is on social media proclaiming you a hero and telling everybody he's got your back and that you did no wrong....
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Oh he will be hired at one of the MAGA defense companies. My guess is either Andril or Palantir.
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Trump stayed up tweeting hundreds of times in just a few hours last night. Is somebody nervous after a meeting?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/01/politics/trump-venezuela-meeting

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President Donald Trump and top national security officials huddled at the White House Monday to discuss next steps on Venezuela, as the administration faces renewed called from lawmakers to release more information – particularly about a controversial decision in September to strike a boat in the Caribbean twice, killing remaining survivors in the second blow.

Key members of Trump’s Cabinet and national security team, including Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Dan Caine and Secretary of State Marco Rubio had been expected to attend, sources familiar with the matter said, as well as White House chief of staff Susie Wiles and deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller.

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The Oval Office meeting, which attendees began arriving for just before 5 p.m., comes as the United States has increased pressure on Venezuela with strikes on drug vessels and a military asset buildup in the Caribbean. The US military has amassed more than a dozen warships and 15,000 troops in the region as part of what the Pentagon has branded “Operation Southern Spear.” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said Monday that Trump was “meeting with his national security team on this subject and on many matters,” adding, “It’s part of his responsibility to ensure that peace is ongoing throughout the world.”

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The meeting also comes as Trump and his top military officials are facing growing questions about the legality of the US strikes on alleged drug boatsin the region killing more than 80 people. The US is not officially in a war with Venezuela, and lawmakers from both sides of the aisle have said they plan to examine reports that the US carried out a follow-up strike on a suspected drug vessel after an initial attack did not kill everyone on board.

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“The law is clear,” Maine Sen. Angus King, an independent, told CNN on Monday morning. “If the facts are, as have been alleged, that there was a second strike specifically to kill the survivors in the water — that’s a stone-cold war crime. It’s also murder.”

On Monday, Leavitt identified the official who ordered the follow-up strike – Adm. Frank M. “Mitch” Bradley, commander of the US Special Operations Command – and said he was acting “well within his authority.”

 

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3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Trump stayed up tweeting hundreds of times in just a few hours last night. Is somebody nervous after a meeting?

 

No, he's just an 80 year old uncle with social media 

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tl;dw - He was ordered to give a POW in American custody to the Afghans and refused. The POW wasn't going to make it but since it was a POW in US custody he had an obligation to follow the Geneva Convention. He was a Lieutenant and a Captain gave the order, but the Afghan interpreter with the Captain was like "yeah yeah give him to us!" so he chewed out the interpreter so he wouldn't appear to be going after a superior. The Captain got the message. 

He also gives over My Lai and how that went down afterwards. In that, only the Lieutenant on the ground got real punishment and the superiors got off. 

Translation: Hesgeth and the Admiral will blame whomever was in charge on the scene. 

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11 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

He had fame. Greed makes people do stupid more. It's why we're where we're at.

And you suddenly think that any of this is going to make a huge segment of society, or politicians, of a corrupt regime less greedy? This is where they will learn their lesson?

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14 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

"The combat decisions he made".

The motherfucker was on a ship at sea surrounded by other ships, or back in Florida staring at television monitors. He wasn't in a doorway in Fallujah trying to figure out where sniper fire was coming from so he could save one of his guys who was pinned down.

As commander of JSOC, he was at Fort Bragg. 

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6 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

 

Demonstrating that lawyers are bad at math. 3/14 had no illicit contraband, 11/14 did.  Don't need my HP to tell me 11/14 >>21%

Notoriously unreliable bluesky twatter.  Dammit, Ron. 

 

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Hegseth in the cabinet meeting just now:

"Just like President Trump has our back, we have the backs of our commanders."  Followed by basically, "but let's be clear, ol' Killy McGee over there (Bradley), he was the one who ACTUALLY ordered the second strike, not me.  Got it?"

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24 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

This piece of shit never knows what’s going on, it’s pretty remarkable 

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14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Demonstrating that lawyers are bad at math. 3/14 had no illicit contraband, 11/14 did.  Don't need my HP to tell me 11/14 >>21%

Notoriously unreliable bluesky twatter.  Dammit, Ron. 

 

Not sure I understand your math or Filipowski's.  Best as I can tell it was 41 out of 212 total with no contraband (and therefore 171 out of 212 with some sort of contraband).

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7 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Not sure I understand your math or Filipowski's.  Best as I can tell it was 41 out of 212 total with no contraband (and therefore 171 out of 212 with some sort of contraband).

He said "interdicted off the coast of Venezuela," which reduces the sample size to 14, three of which had no contraband, so presumably the other 11 did.  One of the three violated other criminal law.

Filipowski flipped the three and 11.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

He said "interdicted off the coast of Venezuela," which reduces the sample size to 14, three of which had no contraband, so presumably the other 11 did.  One of the three violated other criminal law.

Filipowski flipped the three and 11.

Gotcha.  I didn't catch that part at the end of paragraph 2.



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