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19 minutes ago, Pods said:

We don't know the exact location, but it's at least 12 nautical miles out, 13.8 regular ones.

If Michael Phelps had a baby with Janet Evans, that prodigy is still likely fucked.

13.8 miles in a pool is doable, but 13.8 miles of open ocean are a whole different thing, and its going to be a lot more than 13.8 miles with the water moving you around. That's if they even knew which direction was land and managed to swim directly at it. Even a minor orientation error drastically increases the distance.

And you're ignoring the fact that they are still trying to get their drugs to America. I would be willing to bet that the drugs sunk (because they would be dense as fuck) but assuming they somehow floated, these Super Swimmers are going to push many times their bodyweight in drugs to America.

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And you're ignoring the fact that they are still trying to get their drugs to America. I would be willing to bet that the drugs sunk (because they would be dense as fuck) but assuming they somehow floated, these Super Swimmers are going to push many times their bodyweight in drugs to America.

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Yep, I had that part in, but took it out for brevity and simplicity of argument. The odds of reaching land at all are minuscule, but zero odds of reaching the United States. 

Cocaine floats for a while before sinking, lots of photos and video of it. 

Fentanyl has a density of 1.087 vs. 1.101  for cocaine, so should theoretically float for a while before sinking as well. 

It's all academic though. In no case was anyone on that boat a further threat to reach America and our military could have detained them long before they had even the minuscule chance of reaching anywhere else, let alone the US. 

 

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Posted
7 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

 

Wish this was an open session but word will quickly leak what he says. I want to understand how drug operations were continuing after the videos we’ve seen of the boat becoming very inoperable.

Posted
4 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Bullshit. I know a lot of them. They could lecture at UT tomorrow on a wide range of things. Give me an 18D on any development project. Best medics in the world.

Do not confuse SF with SOCOM. It is a component that was wrongly used. 

And McRaven is a SEAL. Not SF. SF set up their dive school. 

Not being a dick, but this is a subject I know well. 

We've had this convo before, SF/SO pedantry aside, there seem to be a fair number of borderline or outright psychopaths among their ranks.*

Perhaps it's the nature of the missions, in addition to the particular psychology required of such operators.

If we want to be strictly legalistic about this, the killing of Bin Laden was legally kind of fishy in the sense that there was no declared war, but at least a facially valid AUMF.  Although fishy, it was on a lot firmer ground than this.

In mild defense of this shit, there is apparently an OLC memo justifying all of this.  It seems to bear most of the hallmarks of Trumpco legal work, that is, exceptionally shitty.  And there is reason to believe that the legal advisors closer to the commanders have been purged in favor of Trump loyalists.  It is probably hard to buck all this.

But the comparison between Holsey and Bradley is going to be hard to dodge.

*you say Socom was wrongly used.  I assume you mean launching missiles from land doesn't seem to implicate any of the skills and strengths of various special operations units available.  That seems to me a very valid point.  Do you think it involves a different chain of command that is easier to manipulate?

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

We've had this convo before, SF/SO pedantry aside, there seem to be a fair number of borderline or outright psychopaths among their ranks.*

 

So in my experience, it is really dependent on several factors. I've had many friends/acquaintances among the SEALs, most people know I'm from Virginia Beach, and know what is based here, and I can tell you it's runs the gamut from totally unassuming family guys to outright psychopaths. 

 

I've also seen some guys who were truly gentle souls be broken by the work.

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Posted
31 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

So in my experience, it is really dependent on several factors. I've had many friends/acquaintances among the SEALs, most people know I'm from Virginia Beach, and know what is based here, and I can tell you it's runs the gamut from totally unassuming family guys to outright psychopaths. 

 

I've also seen some guys who were truly gentle souls be broken by the work.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I don't mean all of them.  For whatever reason, SEALs seem to get most of the press and with that comes exposure of seeming psychos.

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Posted
10 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

 

This is a bully lie - now known as the trumpian lie. A lie told that is so clearly and deliberately outrageous it says to your audience “what are you going to do about it?”

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

This is a bully lie - now known as the trumpian lie. A lie told that is so clearly and deliberately outrageous it says to your audience “what are you going to do about it?”

 

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Posted
10 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Bradley seems like someone that deserves to be thrown under the bus. Just hopefully that POS takes the people above him down with him. 

Bradley pardon incoming.

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Posted
7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Supposedly Admiral Holsey is going to testify, and it’s being claimed he resigned over orders to kill civilians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Holsey

37 years of an outstanding career, I don’t see him taking the fall for Major Hegseth,

Is Pete going to run in 2028? MAGA will love this testimony about their badass Secretary of War. 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I don't mean all of them.  For whatever reason, SEALs seem to get most of the press and with that comes exposure of seeming psychos.

How do you spot a SEAL in the water? Look for the hair gel slick. 

Got ya man, and yes, in all units there are fuck ups. As noted earlier, when I spoke with my father, 30+ years in Special Operations, about this event he said without hesitation, War Crime. He participates in quite a few forums of retired SOCOM dudes. Most feel the same way. 

This is a bad operation, it is straight up stupid and it is murder. 

Now back to the next war. Odds on Colombia being next? 

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Posted
7 hours ago, Pods said:

 

We don't know the exact location, but it's at least 12 nautical miles out, 13.8 regular ones.

If Michael Phelps had a baby with Janet Evans, that prodigy is still likely fucked.

13.8 miles in a pool is doable, but 13.8 miles of open ocean are a whole different thing, and its going to be a lot more than 13.8 miles with the water moving you around. That's if they even knew which direction was land and managed to swim directly at it. Even a minor orientation error drastically increases the distance.

Even if they could cling to the wreckage, or survival float long enough, they'd be completely at the mercy of the currents. Lifejackets would improve these odds, but still would leave plenty of time to detain them. 

Even if you strain credulity hard enough to think that there's a minuscule chance the above might happen, it's still illegal to kill them.

Such an excuse would be ludicrous from a general who has never left the land, but Bradley is a SEAL. 

You're overthinking this. 

The guy just needs to say something just plausible enough for Rs in congress to say "well, he's the expert" and rubber stamp his testimony. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

This is what happens when you give power to the incompetent.

Incompetent fascists. These guys are making Mussolini look like Alexander the Great.

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Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

In mild defense of this shit, there is apparently an OLC memo justifying all of this. 

I get it, but that always seems crazy to me. It’s like the Bush administration saying essentially that waterboarding is not illegal torture because we wrote ourselves a secret memo that says it isn’t.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I get it, but that always seems crazy to me. It’s like the Bush administration saying essentially that waterboarding is not illegal torture because we wrote ourselves a secret memo that says it isn’t.

Well that's because it is crazy.

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Posted
3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I don't mean all of them.  For whatever reason, SEALs seem to get most of the press and with that comes exposure of seeming psychos.

My best friend and next-door neighbor's father in law was a Frogman (Vietnam era) and later in the teams.  Knowing him well for 40+yrs and being around his friends I can tell you for sure a lot of those boys are pretty seriously broken and yet still high functioning.  Based on the stories they would tell (when hammered) if 10% of it is true, it's no wonder they're a bit touched.   PTSD for days.

<csb> Just yesterday I was on the phone with that friend and the topic of dogs came up.  He mentioned his old dog (who hated men and more particularly inebriated men)  I also hated that dog, I'd been bit by that fucker on two separate occasions just out of the blue.  His father in law was the only man that dog seemed to tolerate.  He told me his father in law came home pissed and a bit roughed up with his "new" dog in tow.  Evidently he showed up late to a team party.  Everyone was trashed and the dog (who belonged to another team member) was tied to a tree AND a truck.  They were drinking and taking bets on what would happen.  His father in law took the dog, knocked a few guys out that objected, and left.  I'd never heard that story before.  I absolutely believe it.  I still hate that fucking dog though</csb>

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Posted
1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I get it, but that always seems crazy to me. It’s like the Bush administration saying essentially that waterboarding is not illegal torture because we wrote ourselves a secret memo that says it isn’t.

While I think it was horrific, Bush's team at least wanted to provide their team with legal cover. Trump's team will write an excuse/legal brief well afterwards.

 

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Hegseth can do whatever he needs to do to keep the evil Venezuelan horde and their fentanyl out of America.

signed Epstein's mother."

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Posted
3 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

How do you spot a SEAL in the water? Look for the hair gel slick. 

I asked my SF friend about SEALs and he said “they all shave their forearms.”

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Posted
6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I don't mean all of them.  For whatever reason, SEALs seem to get most of the press and with that comes exposure of seeming psychos.

I got some stories lol.

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Posted
3 hours ago, Captainant said:

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“Jefe, tengo malas noticias.”

Don Jr. “Did we lose the blow?”

”Que?”

Don Jr. “Did the FUCKING COCAINE survive the blast??? I’m sending people now!”

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Posted
11 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

I guess capturing these "traffickers" instead of blowing them up was just too hard?

Dead men tell no tales.

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Posted
5 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I get it, but that always seems crazy to me. It’s like the Bush administration saying essentially that waterboarding is not illegal torture because we wrote ourselves a secret memo that says it isn’t.

Id be willing to bet that the Torture Memos are legal Magna Carta compared to this secret memo.

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Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, locodos said:

My best friend and next-door neighbor's father in law was a Frogman (Vietnam era) and later in the teams.  Knowing him well for 40+yrs and being around his friends I can tell you for sure a lot of those boys are pretty seriously broken and yet still high functioning.  Based on the stories they would tell (when hammered) if 10% of it is true, it's no wonder they're a bit touched.   PTSD for days.

<csb> Just yesterday I was on the phone with that friend and the topic of dogs came up.  He mentioned his old dog (who hated men and more particularly inebriated men)  I also hated that dog, I'd been bit by that fucker on two separate occasions just out of the blue.  His father in law was the only man that dog seemed to tolerate.  He told me his father in law came home pissed and a bit roughed up with his "new" dog in tow.  Evidently he showed up late to a team party.  Everyone was trashed and the dog (who belonged to another team member) was tied to a tree AND a truck.  They were drinking and taking bets on what would happen.  His father in law took the dog, knocked a few guys out that objected, and left.  I'd never heard that story before.  I absolutely believe it.  I still hate that fucking dog though</csb>

"just out of the blue"

Sure Jan GIF

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Disco Strangler said:

Fuckin' loose seals.

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Took two shots to kill the men and two more to sink the boat though, so this seal isn't for marksmanship. 

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, elfenix said:

"just out of the blue"

Sure Jan GIF

I recall as a kid that my uncle had a chow. I was 8 or 9 and that sucker chased me one day and I had to jump over the fence to get away. Still don’t know why he did that since I had very little in the way of interactions with that dog. I came back with my mom the next day and he finished the job from the day before as we were walking in the gate and it took a chunk out of my backside. When we’re at the hospital getting patched up I remember my mom believing me about the dog chasing me the day before for no reason. Have not liked that breed of dog since that incident. Only dog in my entire life that was like that towards me.

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This might at least slow the invasion down slightly,

I mean, December 19th is close, but Trump and Co. are trying to redact a lot of the Epstein files, so maybe Venezuela makes it to he New Year,

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Posted
23 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Bradley seems like someone that deserves to be thrown under the bus. Just hopefully that POS takes the people above him down with him. 

This is where we remind people that good cops who look the other way when bad cops do bad things....  Well, then they really aren't good cops.   Same goes for any profession.

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Straight up murder. That it is of guys clinging to life miles offshore somehow makes it worse.

We are literally ruled by a demon lord with a pack a hellish minions doing his bidding.

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Posted
10 hours ago, Macanudo said:

This is where we remind people that good cops who look the other way when bad cops do bad things....  Well, then they really aren't good cops.   Same goes for any profession.

And everyone who supports Trump. They’re complicit. They’re not good people. 

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And of course what all this really is is a cowardly flex.

Trump has had masturbatory fantasies of taking war to the cartels in Mexico for a decade or more.

But that would require cooperation with a duly elected leader of a sovereign state who doesn't pretend to be a dictator.  And acting unilaterally would be a gross violation of sovereignty and probably get us internationally sanctioned.

So he's doing it two or three bad actors at a time in international waters.

Performative as hell and still violates international law.

 

Posted
8 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Straight up murder. That it is of guys clinging to life miles offshore somehow makes it worse.

We are literally ruled by a demon lord with a pack a hellish minions doing his bidding.

It sounds like there was a good chance they were going to drown anyway.

And if you sank the boat carrying the drugs, then your anti-smuggling mission was complete.

But no, we hit them again to make sure they were dead.

Straight up war crime.  Deliver them to the Hague.

Posted
26 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

It sounds like there was a good chance they were going to drown anyway.

And if you sank the boat carrying the drugs, then your anti-smuggling mission was complete.

But no, we hit them again to make sure they were dead.

Straight up war crime.  Deliver them to the Hague.

As mentioned on the other thread, justsecurity.com has a bunch of good explainers on this.  https://www.justsecurity.org/125948/illegal-orders-shipwrecked-boat-strike-survivors/

These actually are not war crimes because we're not at war, or in an armed conflict.  They are violations of customary (non-statutory) and other international law and likely constitute murder.

Posted

Back to that purely theoretical and ridiculous hypothetical about Trump pardoning Seals who kill his political opponents…is it a good thing that the commander of JSOC might go to prison for murder if the Republican candidate loses in 2028?

Posted
3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

As mentioned on the other thread, justsecurity.com has a bunch of good explainers on this.  https://www.justsecurity.org/125948/illegal-orders-shipwrecked-boat-strike-survivors/

These actually are not war crimes because we're not at war, or in an armed conflict.  They are violations of customary (non-statutory) and other international law and likely constitute murder.

Okay, then deliver them to the Hague for murder charges under international law.

Posted
9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

As mentioned on the other thread, justsecurity.com has a bunch of good explainers on this.  https://www.justsecurity.org/125948/illegal-orders-shipwrecked-boat-strike-survivors/

These actually are not war crimes because we're not at war, or in an armed conflict.  They are violations of customary (non-statutory) and other international law and likely constitute murder.

Regardless,  no one will ever face accountability for it.  At least no one with power.

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