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41 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

Man, this guy needs to read this thread if he thinks Sark is considered a top 5 coach with our fanbase 

 

Sark's first 2 seasons are impossible to defend. The last 3 are pretty easily defensible. 

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7 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sark's first 2 seasons are impossible to defend. The last 3 are pretty easily defensible. 

Sark's first season, coming off covid restrictions and with zero draft eligible players getting drafted? Herman fucked the roster and the team's mentality, and Sark did not have the time or the infrastructure to unfuck it. Plus, the dude just came from Bama. I assume he looked around the locker room and thought "shit, we've got a guy like Bijan? Surely I can do something with these guys." He had no idea how much quit players like Casey Thompson, Josh Moore, and BJ Foster had in their hearts. Not trying to defend Sark's '21 season, but it is certainly possible to defend it. 

Now 2022? A lot of our struggles that season are on Sark, his stubbornness, and his ego. We should have gone much better than 8-5, especially with winnable games against OSU and Tech. The TCU games was especially maddening, because it seemed like we had turned a corner. 

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3 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Sark's first season, coming off covid restrictions and with zero draft eligible players getting drafted? Herman fucked the roster and the team's mentality, and Sark did not have the time or the infrastructure to unfuck it. Plus, the dude just came from Bama. I assume he looked around the locker room and thought "shit, we've got a guy like Bijan? Surely I can do something with these guys." He had no idea how much quit players like Casey Thompson, Josh Moore, and BJ Foster had in their hearts. Not trying to defend Sark's '21 season, but it is certainly possible to defend it. 

Now 2022? A lot of our struggles that season are on Sark, his stubbornness, and his ego. We should have gone much better than 8-5, especially with winnable games against OSU and Tech. The TCU games was especially maddening, because it seemed like we had turned a corner. 

Sark ran Sam off. It's not hard to understand that the 2021 season didn't have to go the way it did, and it wasn't void of talent. Herman didn't fuck the roster at all and it was fine. When you have guys who can't cut it at the D1 level at the most important position it turns out you fucking suck. The continuity to Quinn would have been fucking massive. 

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sark ran Sam off. 

Really?  I must have missed something because this is the first I've heard of this.  With Sam in 2021 we don't finish with a losing record.

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The roster Sark inherited was considerably different than the type of roster he wanted to field.  It took a bit.  Not that he's perfect, he isn't, but particularly on the lines the SEC demands big dudes and a lot of them.

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sark ran Sam off. It's not hard to understand that the 2021 season didn't have to go the way it did, and it wasn't void of talent. Herman didn't fuck the roster at all and it was fine. When you have guys who can't cut it at the D1 level at the most important position it turns out you fucking suck. The continuity to Quinn would have been fucking massive. 

I've heard a few comments from the last month or so that Sark ran Sam off, but I had never heard that before. It seemed clear at the end of the 2020 season that Sam was going to declare for the draft - he sat out the second half of the Colorado bowl game. Was he interested in coming back when Herman got the boot and Sark said no? That seems crazy to me - maybe Sam wasn't a good fit for Sark's offense, but he was the unquestioned leader of the team. Surely Sark could see the value in keeping him around to help transition to the new staff?

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9 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sark ran Sam off.

Remind me, did Sam get a redshirt year due to COVID?  He started in 6 games in 2017 based on my recollection.  I always thought of 2020 as his senior season.

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11 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Remind me, did Sam get a redshirt year due to COVID?  He started in 6 games in 2017 based on my recollection.  I always thought of 2020 as his senior season.

Yeah, he got a COVID year and could have played in 2021.    

14 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

maybe Sam wasn't a good fit for Sark's offense

But Casey Thompson was?

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Sam declared for the draft the day after Sark was announced

So the implication is the first thing Sark did after accepting the job was tell Sam to fuck off?  While also still being with Bama and prepping for the champ game? 

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15 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Yeah, he got a COVID year and could have played in 2021.    

But Casey Thompson was?

I'm assuming that the relatively unknown quantities of Casey Thompson and Hudson Card (who was actually picked as the starter back in 2021, before...Arkansas) seemed like moldable clay to Sark, while Sam was what he was. 

To be clear, I think Sark should have kept Sam on the roster if only for the intangible qualities that Sam brought to the team. But I don't think Sam was actually planning to stay for another season. 

12 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Sam declared for the draft the day after Sark was announced

So the implication is the first thing Sark did after accepting the job was tell Sam to fuck off?  While also still being with Bama and prepping for the champ game? 

Yeah...you've put it more bluntly than I would have, but the story sounds like bullshit to me. 

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4 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I'm assuming that the relatively unknown quantities of Casey Thompson and Hudson Card (who was actually picked as the starter back in 2021, before...Arkansas) seemed like moldable clay to Sark, while Sam was what he was. 

To be clear, I think Sark should have kept Sam on the roster if only for the intangible qualities that Sam brought to the team. But I don't think Sam was actually planning to stay for another season. 

Yeah...you've put it more bluntly than I would have, but the story sounds like bullshit to me. 

Sam is not, was not and will not be the first or last QB to forego a final year to play under a brand new staff. He put in 4 season and likely didn’t want to stay for a 5th under a brand new coaching staff. I don’t blame him but I doubt he was told to fuck off in the 24 hours Sark was HC

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Also I'm just imagining Sark on a Zoom with the team on January 2 and being like "wow guys, can't wait to get to sit down with you and talk about the future of Texas football and all that when I'm done prepping for and coaching in the champ game.  See you soon! Oh Sam, can you stay on for a minute longer? Just wanted to talk to you about something" 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Also I'm just imagining Sark on a Zoom with the team on January 2 and being like "wow guys, can't wait to get to sit down with you and talk about the future of Texas football and all that when I'm done prepping for and coaching in the champ game.  See you soon! Oh Sam, can you stay on for a minute longer? Just wanted to talk to you about something" 

Sark, the guy who was on a plane to Dallas the day Ewers officially was in the portal?

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Sark running off Sam seems like a dumb narrative and it also seems like everyone has forgotten how this program actually developed a good culture for the first time in more than a decade. 5-7 with 6 straight losses, a bunch of blown leads, Iowa State spanking, Kansas, etc. were all an important part of the culture shift. That was the Unfreezing stage that’s required for Moving, for those familiar with Lewis’s model of organizational change. 

I would’ve loved to have Sam back at the time, but it’s weird to look back with hindsight and wish there had been continuity from Herman’s teams. We needed the rot to be exposed so it could be removed and replaced by young guys growing into leadership roles like Bijan, Roschon, JWhitt, etc. You can’t say 2023/24 are defensible results but 2021/22 are not. The former are a result of the latter. They’re inextricably linked.

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7 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Also I'm just imagining Sark on a Zoom with the team on January 2 and being like "wow guys, can't wait to get to sit down with you and talk about the future of Texas football and all that when I'm done prepping for and coaching in the champ game.  See you soon! Oh Sam, can you stay on for a minute longer? Just wanted to talk to you about something" 

Well unless AI is unable to find the gossip from the 9.95’ers and shit of that nature or AI is fucking with me this is what AI said about Sam and Steve: 

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Tom herman left the roster in fine shape….that was not on my bingo card folks. 37 forced portals in the beginning of guys who went on to be average or below average at powerhouses like sam Houston state, Nevada, Purdue, utsa, smu, or New Mexico. Sark definitely could have won more games with better decision making but saying the roster was fine is flat out fuckin crazy. 

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