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18 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Urban Meyer said if Texas is left out Ryan day and the tosu ad should cancel the Texas game next year. 

My guess is that Ryan Day expects to win that game, as does (should) Sark and Co.

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16 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Urban Meyer said if Texas is left out Ryan day and the tosu ad should cancel the Texas game next year. 

 

10 minutes ago, petscii said:

Urban Meyer loves quitting...

 

6 minutes ago, chad.ihrig said:


Why would they cancel a game when they have owned us the past two seasons?

 

5 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Oh that will 100% be a talking point tonight, they will strenuously object to the tOSU loss and lean hard on the florida loss.   

 

3 minutes ago, Drew said:

Which is stupid, because the ONLY reason they're on the outside is due to 3 losses.  They'll say "bad Florida" loss all they want but we could lose that game every year if we only have 2 losses at the end.

I took @Im_smarter_then_you 's post as a joke, as in OSU wants us in the playoff because they feel confident they can beat us.

Maybe I'm wrong, but other than that, it makes no sense for them to take that position.

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Posted
18 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Urban Meyer said if Texas is left out Ryan day and the tosu ad should cancel the Texas game next year. 

Fuck that guy.  We’re canceling it first!

Posted
2 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

No one outside of Austin Texas came away from that game saying "You know, Texas really dominated Ohio State, but somehow Ohio State managed to win the game..."

Not many in Austin did either.  See also Florida. And a few other "wins" this season.

Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the OU and Aggro games immensely and if that Texas team had been in Florida...

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38 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

No one wants to hear it or think about it but cutting half of the teams out of even nominally being in big-time football will not be healthy or sustainable for the sport long-term and should be fought at every opportunity. It’s a short-term boost that will lead to fewer people watching and caring about CFB, fewer HS athletes aspiring to become CFB athletes and fewer incentives for a shrinking pool to care about football.  These programs already exist on the margins. Not directly analogous but similar to the rise of traveling teams slowly killing off baseball as a youth sport for future generations. 

As I’ve said, the inventors of the playoff don’t really like college football. If you like college football you want the G5 to be healthy and on sustainable footing. You want more D1 programs not fewer. Shrinking a sport doesn’t help it. 


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So it's not sustainable long-term with 64 teams, we better warn the NFL - 32 teams isn't enough. Also, tell the 10% of folks that hold 70% of the wealth that that's not sustainable either. Throughout history, the few do just fine without sustaining the many. The one time it was tried, it failed. The many may get pissed from time to time, but then things go right back to the way they were.

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1 minute ago, markstanco said:

I want Texas in for obvious reasons, but I want them in the most to watch aggy heads explode that they had a hand in getting texas in, and the texas win put aggy out of the SEC CG. 

Which is the same reason I want BYU and maybe Bama to win...good chance OU is dropped out in place of BYU cause they won't drop their Darlings ND and probably not Tech either.

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1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

It's fucking it up for Texas fans. He is absolutely correct that removing it isn't good for the sport's health. 

Not to mention it's not a real playoff if it's possible to go undefeated and not be in it. It should be all 9 conference champions with 7 at-large bids. No I don't think the Sun Belt champ would stay within 35 of Ohio State for at least a few seasons. But I also don't care. 

It's fucking it up for any bubble team.  What does the G5 add to the sport's health?  I'm not suggesting the G5 give up their football programs; I'm saying they need their own division.  It's de facto the way it is already except they don't have a prayer of making the playoffs or winning a championship.

Under the current system, you could absolutely go undefeated and not be in the playoff.  See UCF 2017.  Agree to disagree about auto bids for the winner of the G5 conferences.  You would then have 11 of the best teams in the country (assuming the P4 conference winners were the highest ranked) and 5 scrubs.  What good is that?

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5 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

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What? The G5 auto bid is part of what is fucking everything up. Why should an obviously inferior team make the 12 team playoff when it's supposed to be the 12 best teams?  If the FCS went away, does that damage the P4 and G5 teams?  Other than taking away lambs for the slaughter, absolutely not.  The G5 needs to be a separate division with their own playoffs and national champion.  That would add a level of opportunity and excitement that they don't currently have.  I would think it would attract more people watching and participating, not fewer.  The needs and scale of the P4 and G5 are too different to be lumped together.  That's also part of the problem - the current playoff system is a one size fits none solution.

The economics of this are such that landing a FBS or P4 game or two is literally what keeps the lights on at these programs. So yes, long-term cutting them out of that will harm the sport and that will trickle down. We saw this with wrestling which nearly collapsed until the addition Title IX girls programs and a push to add back some men’s programs resurrected it. If you like college and HS football, you want as many scholarship programs solvent as possible. 

ACU and Sam Houston dont enjoy getting their shit pushed in just for the fun of playing at a big house. They do it so they don’t go out of business. There need to be incentives to schedule a couple of those games, not drop them. Totally splitting them from FBS pushes things that direction. 

Again, this only applies if you care beyond the next few ratings cycles. People paid by the Mouse do not. They love a world where they get a cut of a decade or two where only helmet schools play each other each week. 

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6 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

No one outside of Austin Texas came away from that game saying "You know, Texas really dominated Ohio State, but somehow Ohio State managed to win the game..."

They hate us cause they ain’t us. That’s why 

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Posted
Just now, Ojo Rojo said:

It's fucking it up for any bubble team.  What does the G5 add to the sport's health?  I'm not suggesting the G5 give up their football programs; I'm saying they need their own division.  It's de facto the way it is already except they don't have a prayer of making the playoffs or winning a championship.

Under the current system, you could absolutely go undefeated and not be in the playoff.  See UCF 2017.  Agree to disagree about auto bids for the winner of the G5 conferences.  You would then have 11 of the best teams in the country (assuming the P4 conference winners were the highest ranked) and 5 scrubs.  What good is that?

The clear answer is the "governing body" setting the schedule and some semblance of relegation.  Or, expand the playoffs to 24 teams and then we can argue how a 4 loss texas team is getting jobbed...

Posted
3 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:


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So it's not sustainable long-term with 64 teams, we better warn the NFL - 32 teams isn't enough. Also, tell the 10% of folks that hold 70% of the wealth that that's not sustainable either. Throughout history, the few do just fine without sustaining the many. The one time it was tried, it failed. The many may get pissed from time to time, but then things go right back to the way they were.

I mean, the NFL relies on college football to be its minor league and every other major sport directly subsidizes money-losing minor and youth leagues for exactly this reason. 

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4 minutes ago, orange dream said:

 

 

 

 

I took @Im_smarter_then_you 's post as a joke, as in OSU wants us in the playoff because they feel confident they can beat us.

Maybe I'm wrong, but other than that, it makes no sense for them to take that position.

Because there is only downside risk for Ohio State. They don't need the win. Neither does Texas. That's his point.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Sark is our HC. I care what he can do. I could care less about Venables can do or Elko or Freeman right now. They don’t coach for Texas. And they didn’t fuck around all off season with a Top 5 NIL roster worth about $30 million. They didn’t decide to conduct weird ass proven not to work practices in the off season. None of them missed their Junior day. Most of them used the portal. Sark forgot he had to plug holes in our OLine. Conducted lane ass practices that don’t work and didn’t evaluate our talent. Didn’t even change shit up for Arch until the 4th quarter of the Miss St game. That’s all on him. He cannot beat day. He cannot beat Smart. And he lost to fucking Florida after a bye week. He wants to whine about it and say we should just play cream puffs from here on out and not bother to play OsU next year. Sounds like what a loser would say who cannot beat Ohio State. 
 

if we cannot play and beat the best what’s the point. 
 

rhis whole board sounds like fucking aggy right now. Sark just ain’t the guy. 

You come across more dumb and more ignorant every time you repeat this stupid offseason talking point. And you repeat it A LOT. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The economics of this are such that landing a FBS or P4 game or two is literally what keeps the lights on at these programs. So yes, long-term cutting them out of that will harm the sport and that will trickle down. We saw this with wrestling which nearly collapsed until the addition Title IX girls programs and a push to add back some men’s programs resurrected it. If you like college and HS football, you want as many scholarship programs solvent as possible. 

ACU and Sam Houston dont enjoy getting their shit pushed in just for the fun of playing at a big house. They do it so they don’t go out of business. There need to be incentives to schedule a couple of those games, not drop them. Totally splitting them from FBS pushes things that direction. 

Again, this only applies if you care beyond the next few ratings cycles. People paid by the Mouse do not. They love a world where they get a cut of a decade or two where only helmet schools play each other each week. 

So why do FCS schools have football if it's such a grim prospect?  Also, I'm not suggesting that P4 schools be forbidden from playing G5 schools, just that they are in separate divisions and have a separate playoff system.  They can still get their pay games to be slaughtered.  I am suggesting that P4 schools shouldn't be allowed to schedule FCS schools.  Lastly, with their own playoff they would then have those playoff games and potential for a national championship as incentives they don't currently have as well as the revenue that would go with it.

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I mean, the NFL relies on college football to be its minor league and every other major sport directly subsidizes money-losing minor and youth leagues for exactly this reason. 

Most the NFL players come from the big conferences. So what is your point? We are talking about how you are wrong saying that half the teams being cut out would be detrimental to the sport long term. Stick to that argument and not this unrelated tangent.

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I mean, the NFL relies on college football to be its minor league and every other major sport directly subsidizes money-losing minor and youth leagues for exactly this reason. 

College players would not survive on what MiLB pays.... ;)

Posted
3 minutes ago, petscii said:

The clear answer is the "governing body" setting the schedule and some semblance of relegation.  Or, expand the playoffs to 24 teams and then we can argue how a 4 loss texas team is getting jobbed...

It wouldn't take relegation.  As I said upthread - there are 70 teams in P4 + ND, Oregon St. and Washington St.  It's not that hard, actually, to construct 7 10-team regional conferences that are roughly equal in terms of the quality of teams.  You have to have scheduling parity.  Realignment can accomplish that.

Posted
50 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Texas has moved from +1800 to +1500 in the last 15 minutes make the playoffs. Notre Dame shifted form -375 to -355. Miami has started shifting back, they are at +540 now. 

Should Notre Dame get in ahead of Miami? I know there is a perpetual hard-on to include the Irish in just about everything, but that seems to be a harder sell than Texas being "in."

Posted
Just now, Ojo Rojo said:

It wouldn't take relegation.  As I said upthread - there are 70 teams in P4 + ND, Oregon St. and Washington St.  It's not that hard, actually, to construct 7 10-team regional conferences that are roughly equal in terms of the quality of teams.  You have to have scheduling parity.  Realignment can accomplish that.

Until school X decides being in the SEC is enough of a coat tail.  It needs relegation to kick the shitty teams out.  Otherwise why would anyone bother.

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6 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

It's fucking it up for any bubble team.  What does the G5 add to the sport's health?  I'm not suggesting the G5 give up their football programs; I'm saying they need their own division.  It's de facto the way it is already except they don't have a prayer of making the playoffs or winning a championship.

Under the current system, you could absolutely go undefeated and not be in the playoff.  See UCF 2017.  Agree to disagree about auto bids for the winner of the G5 conferences.  You would then have 11 of the best teams in the country (assuming the P4 conference winners were the highest ranked) and 5 scrubs.  What good is that?

It's a lot of good. It would eventually strengthen the teams in the G5, maintain historical parity if not increase it, and lead to hilarious upsets in time. If I wanted to watch the NFL I would watch it. Of course even they understand the real meaning of a playoff and put every division winner in it even if they have a losing record. 

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Posted
11 minutes ago, 'stache said:

My guess is that Ryan Day expects to win that game, as does (should) Sark and Co.

House on the line and you have to make the playoffs do you want to play Texas or do you want to play Texas St?  I understand you hate us, but be honest. Programs like Ohio St, Texas, ND, Georgia, expect to win every game.  Yours?  Not so much

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Just now, Ojo Rojo said:

So why do FCS schools have football if it's such a grim prospect?  Also, I'm not suggesting that P4 schools be forbidden from playing G5 schools, just that they are in separate divisions and have a separate playoff system.  They can still get their pay games to be slaughtered.  I am suggesting that P4 schools shouldn't be allowed to schedule FCS schools.  Lastly, with their own playoff they would then have those playoff games and potential for a national championship as incentives they don't currently have as well as the revenue that would go with it.

It’s a prestige thing and a overall recruiting thing and they make the numbers work by scheduling these big games. At some point that does take you only so far. And if you’re paying attention, the talking head push is for super-conferences that only play each other and that’s where all these solutions being floated go.

The media companies would love it if their contracts didn’t require them to carry the G4 and FCS games as part of SEC/Big Ten media rights. So they are working to get system that disincentives that from being scheduled. 

Posted
20 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

The G5 needs to be a separate division with their own playoffs and national champion.  That would add a level of opportunity and excitement that they don't currently have.  I would think it would attract more people watching and participating, not fewer.  

I don't necessarily disagree, but aren't the early round upsets by mid-majors and G6's a big part of what makes March Madness special? David vs Goliath as it were

Posted
11 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:


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So it's not sustainable long-term with 64 teams, we better warn the NFL - 32 teams isn't enough. Also, tell the 10% of folks that hold 70% of the wealth that that's not sustainable either. Throughout history, the few do just fine without sustaining the many. The one time it was tried, it failed. The many may get pissed from time to time, but then things go right back to the way they were.

Most of us like college football specifically because it is NOT the NFL .

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Posted
1 hour ago, Foosters said:

are you programmed to talk about Sark's offseason regardless of the question or post you are responding to?

Thank god I found the ignore feature.  Makes this board infinitely more readable.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Now our university employees are publicly begging to be picked in the CFB beauty pageant.  

This sucks so much. I've been trending away from football and towards hockey a little bit more every year for about a decade, I'm about done with this beauty pageant bullshit. 


??? What do you think John Bianco should be doing, given his job title?

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Ricky Butler said:

I feel like you guys are purposefully missing the point.

Risk vs reward.  It's mutually beneficial to cancel the game even if both teams expect to win.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Drew said:

Which is the same reason I want BYU and maybe Bama to win...good chance OU is dropped out in place of BYU cause they won't drop their Darlings ND and probably not Tech either.

BYU win is bad.  That would be two B12 teams in. Need Duke to win as well to keep ACC totally out. 

Posted
Just now, Huckleberry said:

It's a lot of good. It would eventually strengthen the teams in the G5, maintain historical parity if not increase it, and lead to hilarious upsets in time. If I wanted to watch the NFL I would watch it. Of course even they understand the real meaning of a playoff and put every division winner in it even if they have a losing record. 

So you're saying that giving G5 conference winners would eventually strengthen all G5 rosters and eventually put them on the same, or at least a closer level, to the P4 schools.  That would take a long time and I still think it would be very, very unlikely.  There are 136 teams.  There's only talent enough now to have maybe, maybe 30 teams with any kind of realistic shot at a championship in any given year.  No level of dilution is going to create parity for 136 teams.  However, 7 equal 10-team divisions probably would strengthen the rosters of the other P4 schools...

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Askew said:

You come across more dumb and more ignorant every time you repeat this stupid offseason talking point. And you repeat it A LOT. 

Stop dude. All of us say stupid shit. For example, I can't seem to keep my posts to a single sentence. But you know what you guys look like relentlessly attacking her? I don't think I need to say it. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, markstanco said:

BYU win is bad.  That would be two B12 teams in. Need Duke to win as well to keep ACC totally out. 

I mean for Chaos yes...I was strictly talking about for OU to drop.  Those smug "yeah you beat us, but you'll be watching us int he playoffs" assholes a taste of their own medicine.

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Just now, irishtexan said:

Most of us like college football specifically because it is NOT the NFL .

I was just making an argument on sustainability and not why some folks would be bothered by the change. Younger folks would come along and have 64 teams to choose from that still have passion, traditions and real rivalries unlike the NFL because of alumni. Once players can be signed to 2+ year contracts during a 5 year stint it will not feel so much like NFL free agency. Hell Golden is ours even though he came from Houston for a year.

Posted
4 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

I don't necessarily disagree, but aren't the early round upsets by mid-majors and G6's a big part of what makes March Madness special? David vs Goliath as it were

Yes, but football ain't basketball.  Much easier for an upset in basketball. How many G5 upsets of major P4 schools have there been in the last 10, 20 years.  I remember Michigan/App. St. and Aggy/UL Ragin' Cajuns.  It's pretty damned rare.

Posted
Just now, The_Great_Hornsby said:

HOLY FUCK, TEXAS +420 TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS WTF

I need that money pumping my cryptocurrency not the moneyline...

Posted
4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

But you know what you guys look like relentlessly attacking her?

A future bloated corpse in Town Lake? 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 But you know what you guys look like relentlessly attacking her? I don't think I need to say it. 

Thirsty white knights? Oh wait, that's you

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Posted
11 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

Most the NFL players come from the big conferences. So what is your point? We are talking about how you are wrong saying that half the teams being cut out would be detrimental to the sport long term. Stick to that argument and not this unrelated tangent.

My point is extremely simple: if you like football as a sport, you want to maintain a healthy pipeline and youth participation. A key to that is maximizing opportunities to participate in as many levels as possible. Shunting the G5 into some special lower division absolutely goes against that, and unless/until the NFL decides to subsidize the game, will absolutely reduce interest and participation. 
 

The NCAA tournament is a great example. If the NCAA suddenly announced that mid-majors got their own tournament and wouldn’t get Cinderella shot at Kansas, does that help or hurt CBB? All for the sake of adding two more teams from the middle of the SEC and Big XII? Of course not. It makes it all worse. 

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Posted
Just now, Ojo Rojo said:

Yes, but football ain't basketball.  Much easier for an upset in basketball. How many G5 upsets of major P4 schools have there been in the last 10, 20 years.  I remember Michigan/App. St. and Aggy/UL Ragin' Cajuns.  It's pretty damned rare.

Yeah, it's easier for a G6 or mid-major to be more competitive in basketball with only 1 or 2 key players.

IMO the CFB Playoff should be expanded to 24 teams (just like FCS) if we want to include the G6's with four auto-qualifiers from each P4 league. That'd give us 8 at-large teams.

Or we should just have two 16-team playoffs with P4 and G6 in separate divisions.

Posted
7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Stop dude. All of us say stupid shit. For example, I can't seem to keep my posts to a single sentence. But you know what you guys look like relentlessly attacking her? I don't think I need to say it. 

people who post the same tired bullshit 1000 times on multiple threads are generally treated pretty harshly around here.  is it your position that she shouldn't be because she's a woman?

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Posted (edited)
14 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Stop dude. All of us say stupid shit. For example, I can't seem to keep my posts to a single sentence. But you know what you guys look like relentlessly attacking her? I don't think I need to say it. 

Stop dude, all of us say stupid shit; for example, I can't seem to keep my posts to a single sentence (but you know what you guys look like relentlessly attacking her --I don't think I need to say it? )

"Just make it one long sentence." James Joyce

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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

Stop dude. All of us say stupid shit. For example, I can't seem to keep my posts to a single sentence. But you know what you guys look like relentlessly attacking her? I don't think I need to say it. 

Sorry, but this is a bunch bullshit.  I think a lot of people keep quiet and take it easy on her because they don't want to be considered a misogynist. The Sark thread turned into an abomination. We have no problem calling dudes out as dumb motherfuckers every single day. Stupid is stupid. This is Surly, I think it's only fair to treat everyone like shit equally. 

 

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Posted
17 minutes ago, Askew said:

You come across more dumb and more ignorant every time you repeat this stupid offseason talking point. And you repeat it A LOT. 

The stupid off-season is because of him. The more people come at me in a personal way the more it proves my point. You take it personal. 

Posted
8 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

HOLY FUCK, TEXAS +420 TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS WTF

ND to -260

Miami +680

Bama went to -1000

Now you got the rest of us jizzing over this. Where’s that jar we stole from aggy?

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