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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

I will give Dick Cheney credit for this one, singular thing: after leaving office he demonstrated more personal integrity than any living male member of the Bush family.
 

As catastrophic as the consequences of his actions have been, his was not the final say. That belonged to President Bush, who despite leading the world into calamity has enjoyed a reputational rehabilitation he does not deserve. While Bush, his brother and his nephew remained silent on the existential threat to the Republic represented by Trump and Trumpism, Cheney and his daughter rang the alarm bells. I’ll give him at least that much credit. 

Fair.  Fuck him, still.  But fair.

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

I will give Dick Cheney credit for this one, singular thing: after leaving office he demonstrated more personal integrity than any living male member of the Bush family.
 

As catastrophic as the consequences of his actions have been, his was not the final say. That belonged to President Bush, who despite leading the world into calamity has enjoyed a reputational rehabilitation he does not deserve. While Bush, his brother and his nephew remained silent on the existential threat to the Republic represented by Trump and Trumpism, Cheney and his daughter rang the alarm bells. I’ll give him at least that much credit. 

100% real talk.  

He was a devil, who was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands.  But he had the absolute lack of self-awareness to come out against as un-American that which he'd paved the way for.  People are complicated.  

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I used to hate this fucker with every fiber of my being.

But somehow remembering the time when he was the most evil man in America seems almost quiant now. Corruption and vileness are so far past what he represented that...it's hard to keep hating him.

In any case he will not be missed.

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5 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I used to hate this fucker with every fiber of my being.

But somehow remembering the time when he was the most evil man in America seems almost quiant now. Corruption and vileness are so far past what he represented that...it's hard to keep hating him.

In any case he will not be missed.

He was vile, but at least in his black little heart he believed what he was doing was the best for the country.  Now we're dealing with those who believe solely in doing what's best for themselves. 

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16 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

his was not the final say. That belonged to President Bush

Which one would you say was Dick Cheney in this picture?

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13 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Which one would you say was Dick Cheney in this picture?

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The “Bush was manipulated” defense holds no water for me. I’m not one of the many ex Republicans on this board and I have no nostalgia for Bush.  I’m sure he’s a nice man, but everyone other than Trump was a better president and Rick Perry was a better governor.  
He was the president and no one else. If he was manipulated that’s on him. 

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38 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

But somehow remembering the time when he was the most evil man in America seems almost quiant now. Corruption and vileness are so far past what he represented that...it's hard to keep hating him.

Shit, I'm starting to look back on Watergate and think to myself, "Why did the American people get so bent out of shape about that?"

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2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The “Bush was manipulated” defense holds no water for me

I have no interest in defending either one of those fuckwads. The decision to execute the policy was Bush's. The author of the policy and a huge beneficiary was Cheney.

Bush being re-elected (hook or crook) was a watershed moment in my viewpoint of the electorate. That was the worst policy since Viet Nam and maybe worse than Viet Nam because there was not even a figleaf of moral right. In Viet Nam, we thought we were saving the world from Communists. Idiotic, but it's at least something.

A current parallel would be Stephen Miller and Trump. Damn them both.

I doubt we actually disagree about any of this.

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I still can't believe that we reached a time when Bush/Cheney were not the absolute worst rulers this country had ever seen.

Not the first time any of us have had that thought, I'm sure.  But it's still amazing to think about.  Shouldn't have been possible.

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2 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I still can't believe that we reached a time when Bush/Cheney were not the absolute worst rulers this country had ever seen.

Not the first time any of us have had that thought, I'm sure.  But it's still amazing to think about.  Shouldn't have been possible.

It's not like Trump nudged past 'em, either. Motherfucker is lightyears past Bush and Cheney level shittiness.

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56 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I doubt we actually disagree about any of this.

I don’t t think we do, what I said was more in the spirit of addressing a lot of what I’m hearing from normie Republicans and ex-Republicans these days, which is propping up Cheney to deflect blame from Bush, the same way they give Reagan a pass for his role in paving the way for Trumpism. 

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It used to be easy to rank Republicans by how much they sucked.  Put Nixon first and Lincoln last.  Everyone else goes in between.

It's amazing to think that Dick Cheney has probably made it to page 2 of the list.



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