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2 minutes ago, SpiralOut said:

Pretty dumb rule anyway.  It's one thing if you drop the damn ball before you reach the goal line.  But you're running with it, bobble it as you cross, and that becomes a touchback?  Nah.  

How do you fix it? Where do you place a fumble that went out in the end zone? Seems unfair for the defense to place it at the spot of the fumble or award a touchdown when they force it. I guess you could move it back to the 20 but maintain possession, but what down is it?

Posted
Just now, mdmost said:

The fuckery goes both ways

it genuinely feels like refereeing has become worse all across the board

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I think what they were trying to determine was that he didn't have possession of the ball when he crossed the goal line and stepped out of the endzone before regaining possession, which makes it a touchback by the rules I believe.

By the rule it should have been a touchback, but we need OSU to win.

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2 minutes ago, hornbri said:

How do you fix it? Where do you place a fumble that went out in the end zone? Seems unfair for the defense to place it at the spot of the fumble or award a touchdown when they force it. I guess you could move it back to the 20 but maintain possession, but what down is it?

I think you place it back on the 10. Loss of down. If it was 4th down, ball is turned over at the 10.  

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Posted
3 minutes ago, hornbri said:

How do you fix it? Where do you place a fumble that went out in the end zone? Seems unfair for the defense to place it at the spot of the fumble or award a touchdown when they force it. I guess you could move it back to the 20 but maintain possession, but what down is it?

You give the ball back to the offense at the spot they fumbled the ball….just like every other “forward” fumble that goes out of bounds unrecovered. 

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, hornbri said:

How do you fix it? Where do you place a fumble that went out in the end zone? Seems unfair for the defense to place it at the spot of the fumble or award a touchdown when they force it. I guess you could move it back to the 20 but maintain possession, but what down is it?

Eh, I just think it's do you have the ball or not as the ball passes the goal line?  If one iota of the ball touches the goal line it's a TD.  So if you actually fumble the ball before reaching the goal line and then it crosses over, cool.  But you need to seriously lose possession, particularly from a defender making you lose possession, before you touch the line.  This dude has the ball, touches the line, crosses it, never loses the ball.  

That's why it's fine to punish guys who drop the ball celebrating.  They haven't touched the line and they've completely surrendered possession of the ball.

As far as a true fumble that goes out of bounds in the endzone, a touchback has always seemed a bit harsh.  

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, naija said:

sure, but look at his team. our QB at one point lead the nation in pressure rate. one thing Sayin clearly does better is throw the ball deep.

Not comparing him to Arch, but Arch would have had a pretty good team around him if he started as a freshman, better O-line, and receivers like Golden to throw to.

Not saying Arch should have started over Ewers either, just say sayin about Sayin.

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, ztejas said:

These FGs aren't going to get it done Mich.

Nice fight from Blue so far though. 

I know it's hard but get with the program.  Go Butteyes

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1 minute ago, NBHorn7 said:

Not comparing him to Arch, but Arch would have had a pretty good team around him if he started as a redshirt freshman, better O-line, and receivers like Golden to throw to.

Not saying Arch should have started over Ewers either, just say sayin about Sayin.

 

We saw Arch last year and he looked just like this year. 

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Not comparing him to Arch, but Arch would have had a pretty good team around him if he started as a freshman, better O-line, and receivers like Golden to throw to.
Not saying Arch should have started over Ewers either, just say sayin about Sayin.
 

Arch probably would have been invited to NY if he started all season last year.
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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

We saw Arch last year and he looked just like this year. 

Arch was on fire most the time last year, this year he’s had times where he’s struggled and thrown totally silly pics. 
 

he has seemed to work though that and quit making bad mistakes at the end of the year here, he’s very competent and efficient these last 5 games besides Georgia I guess. 

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8 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I have heard anybody lose possession of the ball without it leaving their hands. He caught it. He had possession clearly.

Then it bounced around a bit in his hands but that's not a fumble. Unless he actually dropped it and it hit the ground a TD is the right call here.

To score, you have to

1 Have the ball

2 In the end zone

There's some exception for goal-line-extended +/- touching the pylon, but those rules are irrelevant here.  

He was juggling the ball.  By the time he regained control, he was already out of bounds.  That's a fumble, not a TD.  
 

And I'm rooting for them, but it's a terrible call. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


Arch probably would have been invited to NY if he started all season last year.

The biggest difference between Arch and Sayan is an offensive line and a running game

Posted
1 minute ago, naija said:

"the player embellished the contact" - that's new.

Like faking an injury, if the player embellished the contact, shouldn't he get the penalty?

Posted
Just now, scramblyn said:

I'll admit I don't see how this is the best rivarly in CFB but the snow falling in the background is making this next level.

#1 in wins vs #2 in wins. One of those has never really had a down stretch. #1 and #3 in stadium capacity, and both truly outstanding in terms of presence for home field advantage 

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I don't think Michigan is getting to 17.

1 minute ago, naija said:

both truly outstanding in terms of presence for home field advantage 

Not really. Michigan is the softest 100k in college football. 

Posted
1 minute ago, ztejas said:

I don't think Michigan is getting to 17.

Not really. Michigan is the softest 100k in college football. 

that would be us. yes, I know what we saw yesterday.

Posted
4 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

I'll admit I don't see how this is the best rivarly in CFB but the snow falling in the background is making this next level.

It's not.  When their local cops and state cops get into a shootout across a bridge, I might acknowledge it...  Something that's happened, not once, but twice here.   We all know the first, but few know about the Quanah sheriff in the early 90's..  

 

Legends bitches 

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If OSU doesn't beat Michigan by more than 7 points, we will never hear the end about that Smith touchdown.

Not that it matters for us if OSU wins but will not ever stop hearing about it.

Posted
13 minutes ago, naija said:

#1 in wins vs #2 in wins. One of those has never really had a down stretch. #1 and #3 in stadium capacity, and both truly outstanding in terms of presence for home field advantage 

I get that, I'm not dogging it and get it's a top 5. but it's always hands down #1 I just don't get it, but again the cold and snow is legit.

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2 minutes ago, NBHorn7 said:

If OSU doesn't beat Michigan by more than 7 points, we will never hear the end about that Smith touchdown.

Not that it matters for us if OSU wins but will not ever stop hearing about it.

And we shouldn't. He started fumbling the ball before he recovered it, after he stepped out of bounds.. touchback

Posted
14 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

I'll admit I don't see how this is the best rivarly in CFB but the snow falling in the background is making this next level.

 

12 minutes ago, naija said:

#1 in wins vs #2 in wins. One of those has never really had a down stretch. #1 and #3 in stadium capacity, and both truly outstanding in terms of presence for home field advantage 

Michigan-Ohio State is a great rivalry and among the best for the reasons naija mentions. I think it has a strong case for the #2 historic CFB rivalry.  

But no home-and-home series could ever come close to Texas-OU. That game and environment is like nothing else. The 50/50 crowd split, the mutual pilgrimage to the near geographic midpoint, the antiquated stadium surrounded by a preposterous carnival, and of course the history of bitterness and cross-pollination just set that game apart as one-of-a-kind. 

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Just now, BrickHorn said:

 

Michigan-Ohio State is a great rivalry and among the best for the reasons naija mentions. I think it has a strong case for the #2 historic CFB rivalry.  

But no home-and-home series could ever come close to Texas-OU. That game and environment is like nothing else. The 50/50 crowd split, the mutual pilgrimage to the near geographic midpoint, the antiquated stadium surrounded by a preposterous carnival, and of course the history of bitterness and cross-pollination just set that game apart as one-of-a-kind. 

100% and I would add the great instate rivalries are something else too. I could be wrong but are Michiganders moving to Ohio and are Ohioans moving to Michigan?  Just last night we had to win so that hundreds of people around us don't "golly gee" talk shit to us about the superiority of Texas Fighting A&M Aggies for a year. jesus christ talk about high stakes.  does MI/Oh St have that intermingling as much?  I could see it in Chicago but that's a massive city with folks from everywhere. Are you really rolling around in Flint or the upper peninsula with Ohio State fans all around?

Posted
1 hour ago, Gaffords said:

A Miami loss wouldn't hurt either

Not gonna happen. I am focusing more on the SEC games. We need to be one of the top 5 SEC teams. Also, Michigan losing ensures they don't steal a bid.

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I love watching a good snow game, not enough that I wish Texas had gone to the Big 10 though.

I remember Texas beat TCU once in a snow game in Fort Worth, maybe in the 1980's.

It's the only time Texas played in the snow I remember.

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2 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Not gonna happen. I am focusing more on the SEC games. We need to be one of the top 5 SEC teams. Also, Michigan losing ensures they don't steal a bid.

Was hoping for snow in Pittsburgh, would have helped

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1 minute ago, NBHorn7 said:

I love watching a good snow game, not enough that I wish Texas had gone to the Big 10 though.

I remember Texas beat TCU once in a snow game in Fort Worth, maybe in the 1980's.

It's the only time Texas played in the snow I remember.

Nebraska, maybe?

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Nebraska, maybe?

Yes, it did snow some in the second half of that game that Texas got the fumble and kicked the winning field goal, but not that much and it didn't stick.

The game in Ft. Worth had a lot of snow.

Posted
3 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

100% and I would add the great instate rivalries are something else too. I could be wrong but are Michiganders moving to Ohio and are Ohioans moving to Michigan?  Just last night we had to win so that hundreds of people around us don't "golly gee" talk shit to us about the superiority of Texas Fighting A&M Aggies for a year. jesus christ talk about high stakes.  does MI/Oh St have that intermingling as much?  I could see it in Chicago but that's a massive city with folks from everywhere. Are you really rolling around in Flint or the upper peninsula with Ohio State fans all around?

they do cross paths a lot. also see it on their teams. Oklahoma really doesn't produce talent so much that we are in there taking a ton of their players. Michigan and Ohio are more of an equal footing in that respect. Woodson is from Ohio. but no, it's not like that in terms of living next to each other like Texas - OU. consequence of one state being clearly more attractive than the other

I suspect for sheer hate and lunacy its probably one of the SEC rivalries, probably Alabama - Auburn.

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