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2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Finally a plausible explanation of how radio shack remained in business for so long. 

Added bonus: Radio Shack could have functioned as a money-laundering scheme for the Russians, similar to how the mattress stores are fronts for money-laundering.

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1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Question:  as they reach the border in areas, don’t they need to leave a defensive force there to hold it, thereby having fewer assets to advance in other areas?

52 minutes ago, Handcruser said:


Not really. They can’t post up every mile of the border. US intel will let them know where they need to be.

48 minutes ago, Pods said:

Yes, but you need more troops to attack than you do to defend. The forces they are using to counterattack are considerably larger than the ones they will need to leave dug into defensive positions.

Plus they have US/NATO/Five Eyes watching their 6. If Russia starts to mass troops in those areas again, the Ukrainians will know before some of the Russian officers do.

44 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

They don't need to hold if they are retreating. Just keep recon teams out there to watch. This is just a small victory but symbolic. 

Ukraine also has a lot of Territorial Defense Forces or whatever, basically local National Guard, that they leave in areas when the regular troops move out, and those folks would be more than enough to slow down the Russians in the short term.  They are using a lot of them north of Kyiv along the border with Belarus, to free up the best-trained and best-equipped Ukrainians troops to move east/south.

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Ukraine also has a lot of Territorial Defense Forces or whatever, basically local National Guard, that they leave in areas when the regular troops move out, and those folks would be more than enough to slow down the Russians in the short term.

The Ukrainian Boy Scouts armed with anti-tank missles would be enough to slow them down..

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In regards to that KC-135 earlier - not the best of translations (and the file photo they used led to some confusion).

https://yle.fi/news/3-12445103

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A day after Finnish leaders announced plans to seek Nato membership, a United States KC-135 Stratotanker flew the length of the country with the intention of refuelling four US military planes in Finnish airspace. The refuelling plane set off from RAF Mildenhall airbase in southeast England and flew along the Norwegian coast before heading east toward Finnish Lapland.

Around 1 pm, the refuelling plane was flying slowly over southern Lapland at an altitude of about 6,000 metres. The plane eventually left Finnish airspace, heading south toward Estonia, a Nato member since 2004.

The KC-135 had it's transponder on, the four aircraft it was refueling did not, and no US aircraft had landed in Finland - some are speculating that, putting aside the obvious symbolism of the USAF tanker flying over Finland, that it may have been refueling Finnish aircraft as part of an exercise.

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2 hours ago, Pods said:

That first one is legitimately hilarious. We would fund them for 5 centuries at this rate. This is the best return on investment our military spending has ever achieved. 

Blows away what we did in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and that little venture helped crater the Soviet economy/military, as well as the Soviet people's confidence in their leadership and military.  There was more to the downfall of the Soviet Union than that, but it sure helped.

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28 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Ukraine also has a lot of Territorial Defense Forces or whatever, basically local National Guard, that they leave in areas when the regular troops move out, and those folks would be more than enough to slow down the Russians in the short term.  They are using a lot of them north of Kyiv along the border with Belarus, to free up the best-trained and best-equipped Ukrainians troops to move east/south.

Seeing how Russians left their own dead abandoned like used condoms all over Ukraine until somebody else buried them, I imagine the roads back on the Belarus and Russian side are littered with abandoned ambulances, shot-up trucks that gave up the ghost, and wounded guys who lay down to rest and never got back up again. Not to mention lots of burn wound guys with no ears. Got to dampen the ardor of any second wave.

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Ukraine should take all the abandoned Russian corpses and prop them up to make Russia think there's some massive Ukraine force about to attack to sucker them in to a turkey shoot. 

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12 minutes ago, Deej said:

Ukraine should take all the abandoned Russian corpses and prop them up to make Russia think there's some massive Ukraine force about to attack to sucker them in to a turkey shoot. 

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39 minutes ago, Deej said:

Ukraine should take all the abandoned Russian corpses and prop them up to make Russia think there's some massive Ukraine force about to attack to sucker them in to a turkey shoot. 

22 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

World War Z?

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Ukraine should take all the abandoned Russian corpses and prop them up to make Russia think there's some massive Ukraine force about to attack to sucker them in to a turkey shoot. 

Nah. Nail them to trees or impale them on spikes.
If thats too much work, cut their heads off and burn their corpses. Then launch them into belarus. As a reminder of Russian power.
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SIAP but this sunroof grenade drop is the most impressive drone video I’ve seen yet



Not sorry if already discussed here but is there small arms drone capabilities? Seems like a 300 win mag mounted on a smallish drone could clean some of those fuckers up nicely.


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Not sorry if already discussed here but is there small arms drone capabilities? Seems like a 300 win mag mounted on a smallish drone could clean some of those fuckers up nicely.


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Suppressed 300BLK with big subsonics would be almost unfair from ~200 meters up. You could probably drop 2-3 orcs before the rest even figured out something was going on.
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The most “wait for it” combat clip yet; also gets my vote for best secondaries. Lucky the didn’t lose the drone in the secondaries, only 150m up.
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Anyone have some projections on the financial stability for both Russia and Ukrain? As this meanders along it may be more of an economic attrition that decides this war. Below article covers some of the pending default details for RU. The narrowly avoided default at the start of May but has another deadline coming up on the 25th. What are the implications if they do default? How soon would that impact the purchasing power of the avg citizen?

Putin has been walking a tightrope, still trying to ride out a losing ticket, desperately trying to reinforce losses without committing to a full mobilization. He's afraid of public sentiment shifting on him, he can control the mobilization narrative but he can't indefinitely control the economic plunge.

Plus with all of the focus on Russia I'm still concerned about Ukraine's finances. Sure they are getting plenty of military assistance but how long can they sustain their economy during a total war? If it becomes a game of economic chicken who balks first?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/10/russia-still-faces-high-default-probability-despite-payment-analysts-say.html

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14 minutes ago, dimyh said:

Anyone have some projections on the financial stability for both Russia and Ukrain? As this meanders along it may be more of an economic attrition that decides this war. Below article covers some of the pending default details for RU. The narrowly avoided default at the start of May but has another deadline coming up on the 25th. What are the implications if they do default? How soon would that impact the purchasing power of the avg citizen?

Putin has been walking a tightrope, still trying to ride out a losing ticket, desperately trying to reinforce losses without committing to a full mobilization. He's afraid of public sentiment shifting on him, he can control the mobilization narrative but he can't indefinitely control the economic plunge.

Plus with all of the focus on Russia I'm still concerned about Ukraine's finances. Sure they are getting plenty of military assistance but how long can they sustain their economy during a total war? If it becomes a game of economic chicken who balks first?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/10/russia-still-faces-high-default-probability-despite-payment-analysts-say.html

Ukraine is going to have billion$ pumped into the economy via a Marshall Plan type aid for the rebuilding. Russia? Not so much.

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We straightened Turkey out:

“NATO and the United States said on Sunday they were confident Turkey would not hold up membership of Finland and Sweden in the Western military alliance, as the two Nordic states took firm steps to join in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.”

http:// https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-expects-turkey-not-hold-up-finland-sweden-membership-bids-2022-05-15/

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11 minutes ago, dimyh said:

Anyone have some projections on the financial stability for both Russia and Ukrain? As this meanders along it may be more of an economic attrition that decides this war.

The West/US/EU/etc. are more than happy to prop up Ukraine financially in the process of bleeding Russia dry, and Russia doesn't have anybody willing to do that for them (not to mention that the West is more than happy to send a shitload of military hardware to Ukraine as well).

And Western Europe wants to see Ukraine come out of this successfully, and then help build up Ukraine's oil & gas infrastructure to fully get off of Russia's.

Again, don't agree with everything Peter Zeihan says, but he's also been talking about how it would be hard for Russia to go to a full-on war footing because of the manpower thing.  While they have 140 million people or so, their demographics are really fucked up, and as he and others have said, the actual numbers of young males of military age may be a lot lower than everybody thinks, simply because Russia constantly lies about stuff they want to cover up.   This would be an area that Russia would definitely lie about for strategic/paranoia reasons.  

Why that's important is that between the hundreds of thousands of younger folks who have left Russia since February, if Putin has to start trying to conscript young men, it really starts to hammer at the economy because the amount of people aging out of the workforce/dying off/etc. is not even close to being replaced, even before the exodus that started in February, and so every conscript is potentially somebody not working in a factory or some other productive job, and over time that's really bad.

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21 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:
Is Blinken in Berlin to talk Turkey?
6 minutes ago, 686 said:

We straightened Turkey out:

“NATO and the United States said on Sunday they were confident Turkey would not hold up membership of Finland and Sweden in the Western military alliance, as the two Nordic states took firm steps to join in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.”

http:// https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-expects-turkey-not-hold-up-finland-sweden-membership-bids-2022-05-15/

Sounds like it.

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Turkey, which had surprised its allies in recent days by saying it had reservations about Finnish and Swedish membership, laid out its demands on Sunday on the sidelines of a meeting of foreign ministers in Berlin. Ankara said it wanted the Nordic countries to halt support for Kurdish militant groups present on their territory, and lift bans on some sales of arms to Turkey.

I'm wondering if Turkey is going to dump some of their Russian hardware for American.  Also, there was this article month ago about Turkey wanting 40 more F-16s and 80 modernization kits for existing fighters (https://www.reuters.com/world/us-says-potential-f-16-sale-turkey-would-serve-us-interests-nato-letter-2022-04-06/).

Or hell, perhaps the US might open them up to the F-35 program.

And I'm also wondering if a bunch of countries are lining up to buy some of the stuff Turkey is making.  Ukraine has put out quite the highlight reel for Turkish drone sales alone.

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Putin playing 6D Chess

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/neutral-switzerland-leans-closer-nato-response-russia-2022-05-15/

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Switzerland's fabled neutral status is about to face its biggest test in decades, with the defence ministry tilting closer to Western military powers in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

The defence ministry is drawing up a report on security options that include joint military exercises with NATO countries and "backfilling" munitions, Paelvi Pulli, head of security policy at the Swiss defence ministry told Reuters.

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"Ultimately, there could be changes in the way neutrality is interpreted," Pulli said in an interview last week. On a trip to Washington this week, Defence Minister Viola Amherd said Switzerland should work more closely with the U.S.-led military alliance, but not join it, Swiss media reported.

They won't join NATO (Russians would have to fight through NATO to get to the Swiss), but it's still interesting that the Swiss are talking about this publicly.

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The West/US/EU/etc. are more than happy to prop up Ukraine financially in the process of bleeding Russia dry, and Russia doesn't have anybody willing to do that for them (not to mention that the West is more than happy to send a shitload of military hardware to Ukraine as well).
And Western Europe wants to see Ukraine come out of this successfully, and then help build up Ukraine's oil & gas infrastructure to fully get off of Russia's.
Again, don't agree with everything Peter Zeihan says, but he's also been talking about how it would be hard for Russia to go to a full-on war footing because of the manpower thing.  While they have 140 million people or so, their demographics are really fucked up, and as he and others have said, the actual numbers of young males of military age may be a lot lower than everybody thinks, simply because Russia constantly lies about stuff they want to cover up.   This would be an area that Russia would definitely lie about for strategic/paranoia reasons.  
Why that's important is that between the hundreds of thousands of younger folks who have left Russia since February, if Putin has to start trying to conscript young men, it really starts to hammer at the economy because the amount of people aging out of the workforce/dying off/etc. is not even close to being replaced, even before the exodus that started in February, and so every conscript is potentially somebody not working in a factory or some other productive job, and over time that's really bad.

Agree, I was just going to use Zeihan’s descriptor “FUCKED!!!111!!” to describe Russia’s economic future under Putin. The thing Zeihan doesn’t allow for much in his analysis is pivoting/adaptation/improvisation of people to their current situation. I think Russia will be miserable until Putin is gone, then maybe a few more years of one more hanger-on to KGB paranoia/lying/distopian dictator (seems like Medvedev is auditioning to resume his prior role) and then it’s mini-revolution time, at which point things could get better.

The article I posted earlier today hit on this, if Russia would just be publicly contrite, own this shit, and show the world it’s never going to happen again by de-nuclearizing and downsizing their armed forces to a defensive only operation (following the Germany/Japan model) I think the world will be happy to resume extracting natural resources from them.
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Putin playing 6D Chess
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/neutral-switzerland-leans-closer-nato-response-russia-2022-05-15/
Switzerland's fabled neutral status is about to face its biggest test in decades, with the defence ministry tilting closer to Western military powers in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
The defence ministry is drawing up a report on security options that include joint military exercises with NATO countries and "backfilling" munitions, Paelvi Pulli, head of security policy at the Swiss defence ministry told Reuters.
"Ultimately, there could be changes in the way neutrality is interpreted," Pulli said in an interview last week. On a trip to Washington this week, Defence Minister Viola Amherd said Switzerland should work more closely with the U.S.-led military alliance, but not join it, Swiss media reported.


At this point the Swiss and Austrians are “Free Riders” on NATO to use the economic description, and I think Switzerland at least is starting to recognize that and talk about maybe addressing the issue
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6 minutes ago, 686 said:


Agree, I was just going to use Zeihan’s descriptor “FUCKED!!!111!!” to describe Russia’s economic future under Putin. The thing Zeihan doesn’t allow for much in his analysis is pivoting/adaptation/improvisation of people to their current situation. I think Russia will be miserable until Putin is gone, then maybe a few more years of one more hanger-on to KGB paranoia/lying/distopian dictator (seems like Medvedev is auditioning to resume his prior role) and then it’s mini-revolution time, at which point things could get better.

The article I posted earlier today hit on this, if Russia would just be publicly contrite, own this shit, and show the world it’s never going to happen again by de-nuclearizing and downsizing their armed forces to a defensive only operation (following the Germany/Japan model) I think the world will be happy to resume extracting natural resources from them.

Agreed if we could get a coup with a full pivot from this dinosaur mentality exhibited by Tyrantsaurus Vlad then there would be a willingness to open up for (limited) western business. #1 avg Ruskie has got to understand the west is not their enemy. We never wanted to invade, just stop fucking shit up with everyone else. We just want to live in a world where we can sponsor both Ukrainian tractors and Russian cam girls. Is that so wrong to want the best of both worlds?

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44 minutes ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Ukraine is going to have billion$ pumped into the economy via a Marshall Plan type aid for the rebuilding. Russia? Not so much.

Understood once this is over that we will be adding in the lion share to rebuild but any ideas on their current monthly operational costs? And how much are we floating them right now?

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17 minutes ago, dimyh said:

Agreed if we could get a coup with a full pivot from this dinosaur mentality exhibited by Tyrantsaurus Vlad then there would be a willingness to open up for (limited) western business. #1 avg Ruskie has got to understand the west is not their enemy. We never wanted to invade, just stop fucking shit up with everyone else. We just want to live in a world where we can sponsor both Ukrainian tractors and Russian cam girls. Is that so wrong to want the best of both worlds?

Oh, if Russia got its shit together, there would be an invasion....of tourists bringing lots of money to spend.

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Oh, if Russia got its shit together, there would be an invasion....of tourists bringing lots of money to spend.

I’d really like to see the Soviet AF Museum at Monino. Not to mention Red Square or Kursk or a million other significant sights. Looks like that window has closed for the foreseeable future. I’ve always been wary of winding up like Grier or that poor Marine who got stuck there as a hostage. It could really happen to anyone.
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4 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

I’ve always been wary of winding up like Grier or that poor Marine who got stuck there as a hostage. It could really happen to anyone.

We focus on all of the other shit that Russia is doing to turn off nations as a whole, but these two examples are the stuff that turns off a lot of people.  It's something that turns off a lot of people considering tourism in various countries.

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This is odd
 

I’m guessing that the orcs are in a fairly disorganized retreat/re-alignment and don’t have much air support or AA in place, so the UA pilots are getting in on the Safari.
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