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13 minutes ago, Enchubben said:I think for many young conservatives, he taught them to have courage to stand up for what they believe in and to fight for your values. He engaged in discourse with those that have opposing viewpoints in a public manner (most of the time in settings that are less than welcoming to conservative viewpoints) rather than from behind a keyboard or on edited cable news. I'm sure you'd agree that his values and ideologies are challenged by many, and publicly expressing and defending those viewpoints takes courage, even if you don't agree with them. I would also argue amongst his followers he also instilled a sense of purpose in young people emphasizing marriage, family, faith, personal responsibility and yes, patriotism. And in a time where half the country calls most conservatives fascist, this dude went about it the right way through open discussion. Ironically, instead of silencing him, assassinating the man in front of his wife and kids and thousands of students will make his message that much more popular amongst young voters.
I don't think the man deserves a national holiday, but every generation seems to have a watershed sort of event (JFK, MLK, Challenger Explosion, 9/11 etc.) that forever changes them. I think this will be one of those events for this generation even if he isn't celebrated individually.
Translation: He gave permission to impressionable young minds to hate and to crawl further into a conservative silo.
I have to laugh at the idea of "open discourse." Have you watched any of his "debates?" Do you understand what is really happening there?
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3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:
Glad he took some time away from raping groupies to chat with Michael Moore
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28 minutes ago, Covri said:
Charlie Kirk:
Controversial statements on race and diversity
Criticism of Black pilots and DEI: In January 2024, Kirk stated, "If a Black pilot is seen, it's necessary to hope he's qualified," while arguing that diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives are "anti-White".
Comments on Black crime: In 2023, Kirk discussed what he called "Black crime" in inner cities, referring to it as a "huge problem no one wants to talk about".
Denunciation of the Civil Rights Act: During a December 2023 Turning Point USA event, Kirk stated, "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s," claiming it led to a "permanent" bureaucracy promoting diversity.
Racist dog whistles: In September 2024, Kirk was among the first to spread unproven allegations that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were eating cats and dogs. This led to former President Donald Trump repeating the false claim in a televised debate.
Support for "Great Replacement" theory: In a February 2024 Instagram post, Kirk referenced the debunked "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory, which alleges that undocumented immigrants are intentionally replacing white Americans. In August 2024, he also accused a Black lawmaker of being part of an "attempt to eliminate the white population in this country".
Disparagement of Martin Luther King Jr.: Kirk dismissed Martin Luther King Jr. as a "mythological creation" of the 1960s and, during a 2023 event, called him "awful" and "not a good person".
Anti-LGBTQ rhetoric
LGBTQ+ agenda claims: Kirk frequently spoke against what he termed the "LGBTQ agenda," portraying it as a threat to American culture and claiming its efforts would "corrupt your children".
Statements on gender identity: He declared that "there are only two genders" and described transgenderism as "lies that hurt people and abuse kids". He also claimed in 2022 that transgender people were to blame for inflation.
Opposition to transgender healthcare: Kirk vocally opposed gender-affirming care, stating in 2024, "We must ban trans-affirming care — the entire country," and called for Donald Trump to run on this issue.
Homophobic slurs: In 2023, Kirk courted controversy by saying that if January 6 rioters had "stripped naked and filmed themselves having gay sex," they would have been treated more leniently.
Biblical interpretation of homosexuality: In 2024, Kirk cited Leviticus 20:13, which refers to "men lying with men... abomination," calling it "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters".
Antisemitic claims
Jewish control conspiracies: In October 2023, Kirk repeated antisemitic tropes about Jews controlling various sectors, alleging they dominated universities, non-profits, and Hollywood.
Philanthropy accusations: He accused "elite" Jewish philanthropies of funding universities that foster antisemitism, thereby "subsidising your own demise".
Claims of anti-white animus: In April 2025, Kirk claimed on his show that Jewish communities "have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them". He also alleged that "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country".
Pandemic-related misinformation
Promotion of COVID-19 conspiracy theories: During the pandemic, Kirk used his platform to spread false and misleading information, including claiming the drug hydroxychloroquine was "100 percent effective" against the virus and promoting baseless conspiracy theories about Chinese authorities.
Opposition to mask mandates and lockdowns: He vocally opposed public health measures like mask mandates and school lockdowns.
Vaccine comparisons: In 2021, Kirk reportedly compared vaccine requirements to apartheid.
Other controversial statements
Promotion of Christian nationalism: Kirk embraced Christian nationalism, warning of a "spiritual battle" against "wokeism, Marxism and Islam." He also referenced the "Seven Mountains Mandate," a political-religious philosophy calling for Christians to control key areas of society.
Comments on gun deaths: After a 2023 mass shooting in Nashville, Kirk claimed that a certain number of gun deaths was a worthwhile "cost" for preserving the Second Amendment.
Support for January 6 rioters: In a January 2021 post on X, Kirk promoted busing "patriots" to Washington, D.C., to "fight for the president" ahead of the January 6th attack on the Capitol. Following the riot, he claimed the rioters did not represent the mainstream of Trump's support.
Thank you for your service.
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4 hours ago, Snake Diggity said:
With some time having passed, I have come to pity Charlie Kirk. He was recruited/funded as a teenager by super wealthy right wing activists to be used as a tool to recruit the youth vote. Then, by the time he was in his early 20s, he’d used that propellant to become wealthy and famous and score a beauty queen wife by humiliating college kids and curating his conversations to generate online content and promote right wing extremist views. He didn't have the same under-the-radar conversion to adulthood that I and many others had that gave an opportunity to re-assess the belief system instilled during childhood; he was too far in the machine and had way more to lose by changing his mind than a normal person. So even though I think he had a really negative impact on the world, I feel really sorry for him. I will say this: one of his most used quotes is something to the effect of “when people stop talking, bad things happen”; I think that’s very telling about his worldview and also very wrong, because the reality is that bad things happen when people stop LISTENING. Charlie Kirk was an elite level talker, but I haven’t seen any evidence that he ever really listened. And I think that can be applied to a lot of people in today’s society and is a big reason why we are in this mess.
This reminds me of a documentary or news story I saw about the Columbine shooting. They were interviewing Marilyn Manson because I guess the shooters listened to his music or something. Anyway, I was afraid of Marilyn Manson. He creeped me out. But during the interview he was asked, "What would you say to the shooters if you had a chance to talk to them?" His answer, "I wouldn't say anything; I would listen." That was one of those moments for me, among many, of the realization that just because someone looks weird or scary that they aren't an intelligent, compassionate person inside.
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3 hours ago, Hermanator said:
Yep, it's human nature if things are allowed to get bad enough. If hate speech is allowed to go unchecked.
This experience had shown me freedom of speech cannot survive in the 21st century. There has to be major consequences for spreading hate, or else you get a nation of brainwashed people calling for civil war over completely fabricated and imagined transgressions. It's not just the US. You can see signs of it in every developed western country that doesn't clamp down on speech. The UK is an insane mess of propaganda and idiocy right now as well, just not anywhere near the level of the US yet. Same with a large part of Europe.
The US is the one that the elites actively used it to poison their own population so they can steal as much as humanly possible for themselves. Look at all of the legislation republicans have passed since Fox News and social media took hold and went in this direction. Not a single piece of it has actually helped any regular Americans. It's all been about tearing down regulations preventing monopolies, ripping apart the American social safety net, and racking up tens of trillions of dollars in deficit spending only to funnel all of that money in to the pockets of the billionaires.
It's the world's largest shell game. Get you looking over here while they screw you over there. And "we the people" are too stupid to recognize it.
Going forward the only countries that will thrive are ones that put major restrictions on speech and the internet. Eventually every society around the globe will do it and democracy will mostly die out because this isn't sustainable. Of course it won't only be hate speech that is banned, it will be all manner of speech that goes against the ideals of the ruling government.
One of the bests posts on this thread. The bolded sentence is truth.
I've been thinking for a while that democracy is fucked as a system of government because people can't handle it. I don't know if it's because of intentional acts by billionaires or the physical laws of the universe. Either way, it's not working.
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5 hours ago, Enchubben said:
I’m willing to listen to others and reconsider my opinion of Kirk if people can point to specific things he has done or said that make him a bad person. I just haven’t seen anything that indicates that.
Fucking Hellen Keller over here.
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Just now, Surly Bevo said:
Now do our offensive line
That hasn't been the problem. Off target and low football IQ plays by QB has.
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We're going to win this game 35-3, but very unfulfilled. I predict, as an unapologetic optimist, that Arch will come around and be good.
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Has Arch's throwing motion always been like this?
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5/16 69 yds and an int. Fucking horrible. Is it possible Manning sucks?
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1 hour ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:
I think Nick got a come-to-Jesus talk from the FBI. Maybe the FBI visited him and said "Nick, we have some pretty strong sources that indicate you're next" or something, because this is not the Nick Fuentes I've read about.He's shitting bricks because he's culpable, he knows it and he foresees the potential consequences.
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Just now, Pancho said:
Sus post, bruh.
I speak teen. Skibidi Ohio.
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9 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:
well, yeah, it's the fucking alt-right. they're about as weird as it gets
Reading about groypers and Fuentes and listening to him speak and reading their communications - I don't understand any of it. Makes me feel old and out of touch. Helldivers meme? WTF is that? Makes me also think that humans haven't really adapted to the internet and social media yet. This is a computer-influenced world and it's happened too fast for us. What we are seeing all around us are the symptoms and consequences. Allow me to coin "techdolescence." That's where we are.
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All of this is weird AF.
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21 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:
I have no idea what he was talking about.
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38 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:
There's a million inflection points, but for me, it was in 2016, when people decided they'd rather elect Donald Trump, who was manifestly wrong to be president by any objective measure, over the clearly competent and capable Hilary Clinton, because she was annoying. Including a lot of people on this board who later regretted that decision.
Everything after that is spin, reaction, and rationalization.
The 2016 election was the end result of all of those events and factors I mentioned, and more. That was the slap-in-the-face moment that we could no longer deny - all of the bad shit about America has now come home to roost.
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1 hour ago, Snake Diggity said:
Was thinking about this topic. When did the country permanently turn to the dark side? I suppose there’s an argument that is was when the country was created as a nation with legal slavery. Or when the South wasn’t properly reconstructed. Or when Obama was elected (scaring the racists annd the opportunists who manipulate them into activating). Or when that piece of shit came down that escalator in 2015. Or when he was allowed without consequence to claim the primaries were rigged. Or when he won the primary in 2016. Or he won the presidency in 2016. Or Jan 6. Or when he was re-elected. Who knows. But yeah, the moment is almost certainly in the past.
Every point in our country's history contributed to this moment. More recently: the Civil Rights movement, the pill and the rise of feminism, the Federalist Society and Newt Gingrich, Citizens United, repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, the internet, Trump. Add in the reduction of the middle class, huge income inequality, the failure of the U.S. education system, the existence of the 2nd Amendment, "Christian" fundamentalism, the election of a black President, the near election of a female president, huge numbers of brown immigrants who speak Spanish and the general character of Americans as rich, self-belief in exceptionalism, entitled, frontier-inspired independent and ignorant and there you go.
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I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.
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1 hour ago, Zeus said:
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8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:
On a more general note, I was contemplating that there's no Charlie Kirk (or Tucker Carlson or any of a dozen others) on the left. And the corollary thought that they need someone to "tell them how to think."
I think the first proposition is accurate and that leads to the second and prompts the question why is it this way?
And maybe in a blinding glimpse of the obvious, deep down people know that most of the hateful "conservative" positions these days are just that, hateful and inhuman. Despite our natural tendency to avoid or even demonize "other," I think most people also have enough of a moral compass to know when ideas are at best suspect if not outright immoral.
So, "the right" needs someone(s) to "make it ok" to harbor and act upon inhumane if not immoral thoughts. To justify racism. To justify inhumanity to queer people and minorities and the poor.
This is what "say the quiet part out loud." The quiet part is quiet because people know that it is fundamentally wrong, deep down inside. So they need someone to justify it for them. To make it OK.
It's like little kids and young people doing racist things like the "SAE song." It's fun because it's naughty. It's naughty because it's wrong and they know it. And they can be naughty with mostly minimal consequences.
This is not to say that there aren't sociopaths, psychopaths, and hard core racists out there that have zero qualms or reservations about this kind of shit. But sort of the average person needs that justification real bad. And Trumpco provides it.
I don't think they stay quiet because they know it's wrong. They stay quiet because they know what the reaction will be to them outing themselves as misogynists and bigots. They don't want those consequences.
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1 hour ago, wild_turkey said:
I don’t have Facebook, but a quick glance at various sites this morning shows this is a common sentiment. He’s being described as a conservative Christian leader.
I’m a little dumbfounded by the Christian part. I was only vaguely aware of him when his tweets and soundbites got cross posted other places, but I never saw anything that I would consider Christian. He appeared to me as a secular far right conservative. Did his online or in person message have a heavy Christian component that I was unaware of?
Just to play devil’s advocate, I’m sure most of the things I ever saw from him were the most offensive quotes, at least to someone like me, and they were reposted because they would get a reaction from people like me. I understand that’s the unfortunate nature of the internet world. But I’m honestly curious where this Christian leader thing is coming from.
As someone who has quit going to church and is very reluctant to ever resume going to church, I think modern American Christianity has a severe problem with aligning itself with polarizing political figures (almost entirely on the right). Many members of that party say and do things that are undeniably hateful and un-Christ-like, which is ironic especially for Evangelical Christians, who claim they want to spread their faith. The worst way to evangelize is to publicly attach your Christianity to these types of people.He said "Jesus" a lot.
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3 hours ago, John80 said:
An innocent man was killed and all the shitlib jock sniffers are celebrating. Go fuck yourself.
There are two parts of this that are factually incorrect. "Innocent" and "celebrating." He wasn't innocent. He literally championed the very gun rights that got him killed. Liberals are not celebrating. Well, maybe some are. Most on this board are not. The Dem politicians are not. You can't tell me that conservatives wouldn't be celebrating way, way more if Rachel Maddow or Jon Stewart got killed.
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Altuve has to be the worst baserunner in MLB.
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What are the odds that Framber hitting Salazar was intentional? Does this really happen? I get that you're pissed because you shook him off and got shelled, twice. But fuck, man. Drilling your own catcher because of your own fuckups? That's pretty fucking low. Hard to believe it was intentional.
Post a pic that makes you say "Holy shit."
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