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  1. If teams get into a playoff based on their performance during the season (duh) then there has to be scheduling parity to have anything that makes sense.  Because of money, we can't and won't have scheduling parity.  There has to be a financial reason to change this fucked up system and right now, there is not.  Maybe having both Texas and ND miss the playoffs this year would spur some change.  But you've got schools in the Big 10 and SEC making $70M per school per year.  Are any of those schools going to voluntarily give up tens of millions of dollars just to make a "cleaner" or "more fair" playoff system.  FUCK no.  This is a financial problem, not an idea problem.

  2. THIS is why everything is all fucked up:

    ACC:  $17M/school/year

    SEC: $68.75M/school/year

    Big 10: $71.875M/school/year

    Big XII: $22M/school/year going to $31.7M/school/year in 2026.

    ND:  $50M/year from NBC + $17M from ACC/year = $67M/year

    CFP payouts: 

    $4M+$3M (12)

    $4M+$3M (8)

    $6M+$3M (4)

    $6M+$3M (2)

    Semifinalists would receive max payout of $32M each.

     

    In order to reach scheduling parity required for a fair playoff seeding system, there would have to be massive conference realignment.  From there, the payouts to each school would have to be adjusted requiring a massive amount of negotiation and huge complications.  What should happen is that each school gets a payout commensurate with their brand value. (Texas just happens to have the highest brand value in college sports - hee, hee.)  Or, it could be a tiered system, like everyone in Tier 1 gets $XX, Tier 2 gets $YY. It never could be equal payments for all because there is too big of a disparity between the most valuable brands and the least.  The teams that would get royally fucked by this are the lower value teams in the SEC and Big 10.  We're talking a swing of $40M per year or something like that.

    Here would be my proposed realignment with 7 divisions of ten teams each, which are roughly regional and include roughly equal strength of teams.

    Northwest

    Oregon

    Washington

    BYU

    Utah

    TCU

    Colorado

    Cal

    Stanford

    Oregon St.

    Washington St.

    Southwest

    Texas

    Oklahoma (sux)

    USC

    UCLA

    Texas Tech

    Arizona

    Arizona St.

    Baylor

    Oklahoma St.

    SMU

    Midwest

    Notre Dame

    Wisconsin

    Northwestern

    Nebraska

    Illinois

    Minnesota

    Iowa

    Iowa St.

    Kansas 

    Kansas St.

    South

    Texas A&M (sux)

    LSU

    Alabama

    Auburn

    Houston

    Arkansas

    Missouri

    Mississippi St.

    Ole Miss

    South Carolina

    Southeast

    Georgia

    Florida

    Tennessee

    UCF

    Georgia Tech

    Wake Forest

    Vanderbilt

    Louisville

    Kentucky

    Virginia Tech

    Atlantic

    Clemson

    Florida St.

    Miami

    North Carolina

    Duke

    NC State

    Virginia

    Maryland

    Rutgers

    Boston College

    North

    Ohio State

    Michigan

    Penn St.

    Syracuse

    Pitt

    Michigan St.

    West Virginia

    Purdue

    Indiana

    Cincinnati

     

    Top 2 from each division make the playoffs plus two at large teams. No early signing period. No early enrollees. National signing day is second Friday in February. Nobody can talk to a coach until his season is over. Portal open March 1st through May 1st.  Spring practices are in May after finals.  $20M per school in player payroll that increases 5-10% each year.  Unlimited LEGITIMATE NIL that is heavily policed and penalized.

     

     

  3. 1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

    My point is extremely simple: if you like football as a sport, you want to maintain a healthy pipeline and youth participation. A key to that is maximizing opportunities to participate in as many levels as possible. Shunting the G5 into some special lower division absolutely goes against that, and unless/until the NFL decides to subsidize the game, will absolutely reduce interest and participation. 
     

    The NCAA tournament is a great example. If the NCAA suddenly announced that mid-majors got their own tournament and wouldn’t get Cinderella shot at Kansas, does that help or hurt CBB? All for the sake of adding two more teams from the middle of the SEC and Big XII? Of course not. It makes it all worse. 

    I disagree.  I think having the G5 with its own set of playoffs and a chance to be national champion would actually increase interest in those schools' football programs.  It might even be a large revenue generator.  They are already second class citizens in the college football world.  I'm not trying to be insulting.  I'm just really tired of pretending that Wyoming, Troy and Bowling Green are in the same ballpark at Tennessee, Ohio State and USC.

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  4. 4 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

    I don't necessarily disagree, but aren't the early round upsets by mid-majors and G6's a big part of what makes March Madness special? David vs Goliath as it were

    Yes, but football ain't basketball.  Much easier for an upset in basketball. How many G5 upsets of major P4 schools have there been in the last 10, 20 years.  I remember Michigan/App. St. and Aggy/UL Ragin' Cajuns.  It's pretty damned rare.

  5. Just now, Huckleberry said:

    It's a lot of good. It would eventually strengthen the teams in the G5, maintain historical parity if not increase it, and lead to hilarious upsets in time. If I wanted to watch the NFL I would watch it. Of course even they understand the real meaning of a playoff and put every division winner in it even if they have a losing record. 

    So you're saying that giving G5 conference winners would eventually strengthen all G5 rosters and eventually put them on the same, or at least a closer level, to the P4 schools.  That would take a long time and I still think it would be very, very unlikely.  There are 136 teams.  There's only talent enough now to have maybe, maybe 30 teams with any kind of realistic shot at a championship in any given year.  No level of dilution is going to create parity for 136 teams.  However, 7 equal 10-team divisions probably would strengthen the rosters of the other P4 schools...

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  6. 3 minutes ago, petscii said:

    The clear answer is the "governing body" setting the schedule and some semblance of relegation.  Or, expand the playoffs to 24 teams and then we can argue how a 4 loss texas team is getting jobbed...

    It wouldn't take relegation.  As I said upthread - there are 70 teams in P4 + ND, Oregon St. and Washington St.  It's not that hard, actually, to construct 7 10-team regional conferences that are roughly equal in terms of the quality of teams.  You have to have scheduling parity.  Realignment can accomplish that.

  7. 1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

    The economics of this are such that landing a FBS or P4 game or two is literally what keeps the lights on at these programs. So yes, long-term cutting them out of that will harm the sport and that will trickle down. We saw this with wrestling which nearly collapsed until the addition Title IX girls programs and a push to add back some men’s programs resurrected it. If you like college and HS football, you want as many scholarship programs solvent as possible. 

    ACU and Sam Houston dont enjoy getting their shit pushed in just for the fun of playing at a big house. They do it so they don’t go out of business. There need to be incentives to schedule a couple of those games, not drop them. Totally splitting them from FBS pushes things that direction. 

    Again, this only applies if you care beyond the next few ratings cycles. People paid by the Mouse do not. They love a world where they get a cut of a decade or two where only helmet schools play each other each week. 

    So why do FCS schools have football if it's such a grim prospect?  Also, I'm not suggesting that P4 schools be forbidden from playing G5 schools, just that they are in separate divisions and have a separate playoff system.  They can still get their pay games to be slaughtered.  I am suggesting that P4 schools shouldn't be allowed to schedule FCS schools.  Lastly, with their own playoff they would then have those playoff games and potential for a national championship as incentives they don't currently have as well as the revenue that would go with it.

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  8. 1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

    It's fucking it up for Texas fans. He is absolutely correct that removing it isn't good for the sport's health. 

    Not to mention it's not a real playoff if it's possible to go undefeated and not be in it. It should be all 9 conference champions with 7 at-large bids. No I don't think the Sun Belt champ would stay within 35 of Ohio State for at least a few seasons. But I also don't care. 

    It's fucking it up for any bubble team.  What does the G5 add to the sport's health?  I'm not suggesting the G5 give up their football programs; I'm saying they need their own division.  It's de facto the way it is already except they don't have a prayer of making the playoffs or winning a championship.

    Under the current system, you could absolutely go undefeated and not be in the playoff.  See UCF 2017.  Agree to disagree about auto bids for the winner of the G5 conferences.  You would then have 11 of the best teams in the country (assuming the P4 conference winners were the highest ranked) and 5 scrubs.  What good is that?

  9. 34 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

    No one wants to hear it or think about it but cutting half of the teams out of even nominally being in big-time football will not be healthy or sustainable for the sport long-term and should be fought at every opportunity. It’s a short-term boost that will lead to fewer people watching and caring about CFB, fewer HS athletes aspiring to become CFB athletes and fewer incentives for a shrinking pool to care about football.  These programs already exist on the margins. Not directly analogous but similar to the rise of traveling teams slowly killing off baseball as a youth sport for future generations. 

    As I’ve said, the inventors of the playoff don’t really like college football. If you like college football you want the G5 to be healthy and on sustainable footing. You want more D1 programs not fewer. Shrinking a sport doesn’t help it. 

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    What? The G5 auto bid is part of what is fucking everything up. Why should an obviously inferior team make the 12 team playoff when it's supposed to be the 12 best teams?  If the FCS went away, does that damage the P4 and G5 teams?  Other than taking away lambs for the slaughter, absolutely not.  The G5 needs to be a separate division with their own playoffs and national champion.  That would add a level of opportunity and excitement that they don't currently have.  I would think it would attract more people watching and participating, not fewer.  The needs and scale of the P4 and G5 are too different to be lumped together.  That's also part of the problem - the current playoff system is a one size fits none solution.

  10. 22 minutes ago, immamac said:

    wait what the actual fuck? This is super fucking stupid of Ole Miss to do - why the fuck not just let Kiffin coach? This is so god damned stupid. They are gonna let the LSU OC be the OC through the playoffs for ole miss? 

    Ole Miss realized that they might miss the playoff without any offensive coaches left.  Woopsie!

  11. 35 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

    Personally I don't care if Texas gets left out this year. I think most Texas fans would be fine with it as well, but the consequences of this will be felt by the entire college football when there are no marquee no conference games anymore. We will all get to watch a bunch of cupcake games early in the season. Yay!

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  12. 15 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

    They are 130+ programs. Everyone has had to deal with this at some point. This is not just for head coaches, but coordinators. You would also have to look at portal periods and signing periods. Its kind of a mess. Nobody has thought through the system, but that is a much bigger issue not related to this thread. 

     

     

    One national signing day the second Friday in February.  No early enrollees.  Schools can't talk to coaches until after that coach's team's season is over.  Portal is open March 1st-June 1st.  Spring practices moved to start second Monday of June.

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  13. 7 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

    here is my predection for tonight:

    1.   Ohio State (12-0)

    2.   Indiana (12-0)

    3.   Georgia (11-1)

    4.   Texas Tech (11-1)

    5.   Oregon (11-1)

    6.   Texas A&M (11-1)

    7.    Ole Miss (11-1)

    8.   Notre Dame (10-2)

    9.   Oklahoma (10-2)

    10.   Alabama (10-2)

    11.   BYU (11-1)

    12.   Miami (10-2)

    13.   Texas (9-3)

    14.   Utah (10-2)

    15.   Vanderbilt (10-2)

     

    I'd love to be wrong, but I don't see this committee doing anything earth shattering 

    This is what it should be if ranking the 12 best teams:

    1.   Ohio State

    2.   Georgia

    3.  Indiana

    4.   Oregon

    5.   Texas 

    6.   Alabama

    7.   Oklahoma

    8.   Texas A&M

    9.  Texas Tech

    10. Miami

    11.  Notre Dame

    12. OIe MIss

    13. Vanderbilt

    14. BYU

    15. Utah

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  14. 33 minutes ago, immamac said:

    They absolutely are not a playoff team without Kiffin and it's a joke to think that coaching doesn't matter at all at the highest levels of competition. 

    It's different when a coach is "suspended" for a game, that means they can't be there, but they still gameplan, run practices and basically set the whole staff up to execute for Saturday and just can't be there. If they are actually not able to be in the building or talking to any other staff members then things break down incredibly quickly. 

    A lot of the staffs remained in tact at schools that fired their head coach, there's continuity there and sure the head coach is gone, but someone can assume that role and do a just as shitty job as a fired guy. 

    This is not that, this is half the entire coaching staff and the part of the staff that made Ole Miss prolific is not only physically gone, they also took their playbooks with them, all the resources with them and there is no one left to pick up the pieces and put together a functional strategy or gameplan with the current roster against a team. It's crazy to think that Ole Miss won't just get wildly outcoached in any game and the only advantage they have will be a talent advantage against a shitty G5 team or something.

    I think it should happen if for no other reason that to hasten the blowing up of the whole fucked up system.

  15. 1 hour ago, DFW Horn said:

    I'd argue that a team's postseason ranking is a more accurate metric. Game day ranking on the day it was played just reinforces what a fool's errand preseason rankings have always been. The SEC teams always seem to be overrated, USCe being the most egregious. Oh, and Penn St #2?

    We used to complain about it when we were in the Big 12.

    Rankings, in general, are stupid.  They are also a criminally negligent way to pick playoff teams and national champions.  Fucking UIL does a 1000% better job than whoever is running college football. 

    There are 70 teams in the P4 plus ND, Oregon St. and Washington St.  7 10-team regional roughly equally strong divisions, regular season is 9 division games plus 3 out of division games that cannot be against teams below the second division (G5), top two from each division make the playoffs automatically, 2 at large spots for good teams that are third in their divisions. The two at large spots are determined by the highest ranked non-top 2 teams, thus preserving the polls for the limited purpose of picking the last two in and all the debate and shit surrounding that for those sickos who like it. $20M payroll cap for every team that increases 5-10% every year, NIL unlimited, but strictly enforced - has to be legitimate value received.  Penalty for NIL violation is automatic forfeiture of postseason.  The revenue sharing part would be the hardest.  It's either a graduated payout with the best teams getting a larger share or all 70 teams get an equal distribution.  I would probably do equal payments with fairly large bonuses for making the playoffs and winning at each round. The best teams will make the playoffs more often and have more revenue that way. One national signing day the second Friday in February.  No early enrollees.  Schools can't talk to coaches until after that coach's team's season is over.  Portal is open March 1st-June 1st.

    Pick it apart.

  16. 1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

    She is the type that we will probably see in a “messy” way involving Kiffin. Not gonna lie. So when he starts running a train on the co-eds and this thread goes next level, I will just ignore any inevitable posts with her picture in it.  

    Funny, pics aren't showing up.

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  17. 13 hours ago, PGFrog said:

    Sucks for the coach? Dude just got a significant raise and he didn't have to talk with multiple schools at the same time.  

     

    Emotionally and stress-wise.  I could see in they guy's face and hear in his words that it really was a gut-wrenching decision.  He loved it at Ole Miss.  He had meaningful relationships with his players, coaches, administrators, people in the community.  He really wanted to coach his team in the playoffs to enjoy the fruits of his labor.  He was forced by the system in place to make a fast, life changing decision and forgo all of that.  Sure the guy gets paid a ton, but money doesn't always cover everything.

  18. 20 minutes ago, kevwun said:

    It's all because of the 30 day portal window when you fire a coach.  They can't really take that away because then schools will go back to firing coaches the week after signing day.

    Agree.  So go back to one signing day in February.  Leave the 30 day portal window for players whose coach was fired.  That way, if schools try to fire a coach the day after signing day then all the kids they just signed can jump ship.  Does that fix it?

  19. This is a fact:  the committee isn't going to make any choices based on the consequences of those choices on scheduling, TV dollars, meaningfulness of CCGs, etc.  They will base those decisions only on one question:  Which 12 teams are the best in the country?  Unfortunately, the criteria they use to answer that question relies too heavily on W/L record.  Why?  Mostly tradition.

    College football is fucked up.  Whoever has the power to change it should...wait...there is no one who has the power to do that.  Which is why we have this fucked up system.  The individual schools are all acting in their own financial self-interest.  The culmination of those decisions is why we have this system.  There has yet to be a financial incentive for that to change, which is why it hasn't.  It's sad that no one can recognize the value of anything as greater than money, like cooperation, integrity, loyalty, etc.  I guess until fans push back on this shitty system in a way that actually registers a financial loss, then nothing will change.

  20. This whole thing is really shitty.  Whoever is responsible for the current rules sucks.  The rules surrounding the calendar created this situation.  Both parties did what they had to do, which sucks for the coach, the institution, the players, the coaching staff, everyone involved.  Lane Kiffin might be a giant piece of shit; the Ole Miss AD might be a giant dumbass, but neither side is at fault for how this played out.  It's really unfortunate and should be changed immediately.

  21. If BYU loses how are we not in over them?  Same with Bama?  We beat a team that beat them; they beat a team that beat us. But the team that beat them is lower ranked than the team that beat us. Both have a shitty loss, but the shitty team we lost to just blew out the shitty team they lost to. Both would have a loss to Georgia. Their win over Georgia would be better than our win over a&m.

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