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  1. 5 hours ago, Scholz said:

    VY legitimately matriculated to UT.  Marshall couldn't get into private school Miami.  So again, fog a mirror and play football?  You're in at OU.  And more importantly stay eligible.

    Awesome.  I love seeing a guy who can barely read get a degree.  We need more people like him

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  2. 3 hours ago, Scholz said:

    Ha. VY earned a degree in education (youth and community studies) and it was important enough for him to come back and complete it. Not the hardest degree plan admittedly but one that prepares one to be a productive member of society at least.

    Compare that to Torrance Marshall who was as dumb as a box of hair or the latest OU cum laude Parrish Cobb who just completed the school to prison pipeline. That’s what the OU make up your own degree plan gets you. Take advantage of the kids for football and give them zero preparation for life. As admitted by your own academic advisor on national tv.

    I’ll be happy to discuss the academic integrity of our respective schools further and no, academically ineligible players at OU most certainly does not happen more than you think as you stated. That’s hilarious. I can count on my fingers the total # of those during Stoops’ entire tenure at your juco football factory.

    Still have my doubts he has learned to read full sentences yet though.  But that is good he went and completed that degree at least. 

    Marshall was no genius, doesnt take away from Young.  Coupla guys who might be as intelligent as jello. But good football players.

     

     

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  3. 7 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

    I don't care if Vince Young were to be discovered fighting in Syria on behalf of ISIS, I'd still be grateful for what he did at Texas. There's not a thing you can do or say that will bother me when I think of Vince Young. 

    You're a sooner, and you're kind of a run-of-the-mill one in terms of mental capacity, so of course you missed the point. Like I said, you aren't worth the bullet on this kind of silliness, so I'm content to let you think whatever you'd like, as long as you shut the fuck up on this thread about the glories of OU academics.

    No doubt, I would be grateful for his efforts too.    I am not trying to bother you about him at all. lol Again I was responding to scholz' comment about Marshall being stupid and still qualifying at OU. He brought it up, not me.  Not my fault you take offense to my observation.     It seems you are the one who missed the point here.  Maybe you should pay more attention before getting triggered by someone who wasnt even talking to you. 

  4. 4 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

    Honestly, man, spare us academic defense of OU talk and general academic smack talk. You are a gnat in our fucking face on stuff like that and aren't worth the bullet. Take that shit up with someone equally as pathetic on the academic front like the okie state guys or KSU people. I click on this thread for actual information, not sooner mouthbreathing. Thanks.

     

    Tell that to scholz who brought that up.   I was just exclaiming my surprise how Young was able to survive academically after he brought up Marshall.    And the fact that you dont like it only makes it better for me. Thanks. 

     

     

     

     

  5. 1 hour ago, Scholz said:

    Haha.  Good one.  Fog a mirror and you're in.  Torrance Marshall couldn't even get into private school Miami and could barely read.  At OU?  Honor student.

    Makes me wonder how Vince Young lasted more than 2 weeks in Austin. 

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  6. On 6/4/2018 at 4:58 PM, ousux said:

    Wait, blowU is actually having real trouble enrolling a football player? What is this world coming to..

    It happens a lot more than you might care to admit. 

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  7. 36 minutes ago, Machinator said:

    In the time it took you to compose this reply you could have easily typed in "UNL" into Google and gotten your answer.

    Yep.  Didnt care to. Dont think the acronym means enough to me to spend time trying to figure out what it is.  I made it this long without knowing what it is, i'll be fine. 

     

    33 minutes ago, rickyspub said:

    Lloyd is about the perceived quality of the name on the jersey rather than the play on the field. More "exciting" to beat an unranked UCLA than to beat a top 25 KSU or losing to Top 20 Oregon looks less embarrassing than losing to a Top 20 TCU. (Probably why the ACC doesn't make his cut of 'viable' conferences, too many "basketball" schools.) 

     

    Some matchups move the needle more than others.  Acc is very viable  actually, more so than the big 12 as of today IMO.  But that's something I believe the big 12 can overcome much more likely than overcoming the ground they lost to the big 10 and sec.   Unless miami  and fsu pick things back up and get elite again, then i think we'd be harder pressed to be at their level.  Considering they have two recent national championships against the sec champions.   Really the only P5 conference with less juice than the Big 12 is the PAC 12. 

    31 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

    So you’re  talking about the last 10 years...except when you’re not when it suits your argument. LSU’s title and one of Florida’s was more than a decade ago. The other is barely within your timeframe.

    I said that osu is the 2nd best thing the big 12 has had in the last 10 years.  But my point is that is still pretty relevant when you compare them to ok state of the gundy era, which started in 2005.  Both florida and lsu have achieved significantly more success than Osu.  And i was comparing Osu (a 2nd tier big 12 team) to the 2nd tier of teams of the sec, of which I believe florida and lsu are. 

     

    31 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

    Lloyd you keep talking about "the last ten years."  LSU hasn't won a major bowl game in over 10 years.  They've only been to one major bowl in that span of time.  If the Gators don't make a major bowl trip this year, they'll be 0-1 in major bowl games in the last decade, too.  Last year was Georgia's first major bowl appearance in a decade.  Tennessee hasn't played in a major bowl game since the 90s. 

    OSU is 1-1 in major bowls in the last 10 years.  TCU is 2-1.  K-State is 0-1.  WVU is 1-0.  Baylor is 0-2.  

    You can go back a little farther than ten years and find better results for the SEC's 2nd tier, obviously.  Is 15 years the timeframe that matters?  25 years? 

    Trying to compare the osu of the gundy era to the 2nd tier sec teams of the same time frame (starting in 2005).  I was making the 10 year or roundabout decade time frame for the big 12 is dead argument.  the argument of comparing our Ok state to the 2nd tier of sec teams is  during gundy's tenure.  And during that time both lsu and florida have won 1 or more national championships. 

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  8. 2 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

    You're either 12 or a sock if you don't have that one figured out. 

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    Maybe I missed the UNL memo because i have never heard of the acronym before.  not trying to be 12 or a sock. Just being honest.

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  9. 1 minute ago, oSuJeff97 said:

    Jesus dude are you really this obtuse?

    I'm not arguing that OSU has won a lot of championships, that's not the fucking point.  But we're 10th in the country in wins in the past decade. The fact that you think that is meaningless is hilarious. 

    You want me to compare OSU and TCU to the "2nd tier" SEC teams like LSU, Ole Miss or MSU?  Sure I can do that.  In the past decade, TCU is 7th in the nation in wins; OSU is 10th; LSU is 12th.  Neither Ole Miss nor Mississippi State are in the top 40.

    FWIW, Georgia is 13th, Florida is 19th, Auburn is 26th, Mississippi State is 45th, Ole Miss is 56th.

    And again let's not forget that any success that Ole Miss had was because they are worthless cheating fucks. Same, more or less, for Auburn.

    Sure it's nice to have all those wins.  But my point is those weren't big wins, so without a lot of meaning.   Boise state has won a ton of games since 2000, but they were mostly meaningless wins that didnt do a lot for their program. The fiesta bowl was huge though.  The point is for osu very few big wins. It's nothing to get mad about, it is what it is.  You couldn't even name the best 5 wins of the mullet's era. What's hilarious is the lack of big signature wins for osu, its mostly a bunch of conference victories while its reputation was in the gutter. A bunch of conference victories that only translated to one big 12 championship and 1 BCS victory in 12 seasons.  

    Compared Osu's 1 conference championship and 1 bcs victory to Lsu- 2 national title appearances, 1 national championship, 1 bcs bowl win, and 2 sec championships.   to florida having two national titles, and an additional  bcs victory, and 6 visits to the sec championship game, I would say osu does not stand to compare equally to florida or lsu. 

    georgia- had always been that 2nd tier team for a long time too. 1 playoff win,  1 bcs win and,  4 visits to the sec championship game, and 1 sec championship

    Mississippi- similar to them actually with the same number of bcs bowl wins except they completely embarrassed  osu  in the sugar bowl a few years ago.  Sure they are cheating fucks too though, but i would say osu is maybe about what a mississippi is. 

    Now that I think more about it mississippi state is more of a 3rd tier team in the sec.  

    So maybe osu could be compared to a lower end 2nd tier sec team instead.   And osu is the 2nd best thing the big 12 has had over the last 10 years. 

  10. 2 hours ago, Bevo14 said:

    Most Big 12 teams don't recruit very well but have good/great coaches with consistent systems (Snyder, Gundy, Sweaty Fat Fuck Patterson, Campbell, Holgerson). They're getting the right players for them to win games, but not a lot of guys with the high end physical traits you need to get drafted. The only schools that recruit at a consistently very high level are Texas and OU, so those are the only schools that should be expected to consistently churn out NFL talent. That's why I don't really care much about the NFL statistics regardless of whatever bullshit aggy is spewing to recruits. We haven't produced much lately for obvious reasons, but it looks like we're going to start putting out a lot of NFL guys again now.

    YEah you will, the way texas is recruiting now its gonna get better on draft day. And OU is finally getting them too. It started after Riley's recruiting approaches took over for how Stoops did it.  Those are the kind of guys the big 12 needs to win, because when the best the big 12 has to offer plays those guys, they dont tend to win all the time.  We have to get back to getting those dogs we used  all be getting in the early 00s. 

     

    2 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

    I think it's hilarious for OU (or UT) fans to bitch about perception.  Perception does not make a shit for OU or Texas.  They'll always be in.  It's WVU/TCU/OSU/Baylor (good - fuck them) that really need to worry.  OU has and will continue to get to the promised land with the current set up.  Again - it's miserable fucking defense and bitch ass scared coaching that is to blame.  Even those on landthieves, or whatever the fuck it is now, will mostly agree.  Look at the posts bitching about Mike (millions) vs the conference (dozens)...

    Again, dumbasses need to argue about something in the off season, so they choose this.  It's played out.  The league is making a mint.  That's all that matters - don't be fooled...fucking sheep - looking at you Lloyd. 

    Money cant be all that matters. They'll make 100 million+ a year no matter what conference they are in. With all the money being spread around, everyone gets rich (well the universities, not like this money goes to any of us or the players).  Talking a difference of a few million a year between this conference and that, when OU and UT both make north of 150 million in revenue.   If its a money grab then get more competitive and get an even bigger tv contract. 

     

  11. 2 hours ago, Hank Chinaski said:

    I disagree that it would take a long time. 

    Sec and Big 10 didnt lose a beat, we dropped off a while ago. You think we can make up nearly a decade of ground on them in a short time?  I concede it can happen, but bama isnt going away, uga  is recruiting like crazy.  And so is ohio state, psu and michigan arent going away.  Gonna be a tough road but we can. 

     

    2 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

    Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. "Meaningless wins?"  OK.  Why do we play the games again?  And again, comparing OSU's wins in a P5 conference vs. a G5 conference is disingenuous at best ... 

    And by throwing out all of those teams you're simply getting into the fact that the SEC has four more teams than we do.

    Set aside the fact that two of the teams you mentioned in the SEC (Auburn and Ole Miss) had most of their high-level success due to FUCKING CHEATING, including Auburn's national title.

    As for Florida, LSU, Tennesse, S. Carolina and Arkansas... are you kidding me?  Yeah Florida won a few titles 10 years ago, but they haven't done shit since Urban left.  Tennessee hasn't done shit in a decade plus and have had multiple losing seasons.  They aren't even in the top 35 in wins in the past 10 years. (West Virgina is). 

    OSU and TCU have been consistently better programs than Tennessee, Arkansas and S. Carolina, and that's not really close. They've both also been better than Florida since Urban left. 

    In fact, here, let me help you out.  Here are the wins by college football teams in the past decade. Right, right... I'm sure you'll tell me that all of these wins are "meaningless."  Well if they are so meaningless then it should be super easy for those second-tier SEC powerhouses like Tennessee, et al, to get them.

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    Uhh yeah.   What are osu's best 5 wins of the gundy era?  Let's see his two bedlam wins in 11 and 14?  Uga in 09? Maybe the fiesta bowl vs stanford in '12? That's the best I can think of but maybe you can do better.   So a total of 1  BCS win and 0 big 12  championship game wins.  In fact, they lost to OU in a de facto ccg.  Even with a bedlam loss in '11 they'd have still won the big 12 so it wasnt a terribly meaningful victory like the 2015 would have been.  But you know what, no, it was a big time win for you guys.  But how meaningful? It didnt secure anything you didnt already have except bragging rights. 

    Yeah the sec has four more teams, but they have more quality depth at the 2nd tier and lower level teams.   Their worst team last year was tennessee and i'm sure they would have pasted kansas.  Though we did have some decent play in the mid level teeams this year. Glad you brought up FLorida. Florida hasnt done a lot since meyer left but they have played for the sec championship in 2015 and 2016 so they havent fallen off the face of the earth quite yet.  They still recruit well too so they can rebound pretty quick unlike our basement dwellers who are there year after year never ruffling too many feathers. 

    Yeah id say Osu and Tcu recently have been better than tenn, ark and s.carolina. Though usc did go 9-3 last year.   But  those arent sec 2nd tier teams.  Those are like the third tier teams. Compare Osu and Tcu to the 2nd tier sec teams like Lsu, Mississippi or a msu on a year to year basis.  historically i'd say georgia is a 2nd tier team too but last year they took it up a level.  the sec is run by alabama and whoever the 2nd best team is that year. 

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  12. 3 minutes ago, SnowAggy said:

    Take a guess super sooner.

    I guess go ahead and shvitz about the quality of the big 12 then...you be you.

    Still dont know what it is.  

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  13. Just now, Hank Chinaski said:

    I still think everything you are bitching about is based on UT's recent ineptitude. 

    Recruiting rankings? 10 years ago, when the B12 was considered the best conference in football, what B12 schools besides UT and OU were pulling top-10 classes? They weren't. That didn't prevent OSU, Tech, et al (and TCU now) from having very good programs. TCU mopped the floor with Ole Miss and their high-priced recruits a few years ago. 

    The B12 was perceived to be great because UT and OU were 2 of the 5 best programs in college football. UT slipped. That's it. If UT gets back there, the B12 "perception" is restored. 

     

    Well at this point they have lost so much ground to the big 10 and sec, that the best they could do is get up to an even point with them.  Yeah a decade ago the big 12 was great,  in fact they had 3 top 5 teams in the big 12 south. we seemed to always have that third real good team to give us balance.  Now it's just OU and occasionally a tcu or osu will win some games and give us a run for our money.  When tx is back it will help but now the sec and big 10 have stellar top 2-3 teams and we will be lucky to be considered equal.   We can do it i guess but it will take a lot of winning to earn that reputation back.  right now we are the conference who had 0 teams in a year ago and sec got in two this year.  We have to defeat this perception with real results

  14. 2 minutes ago, Scholz said:

    Fair enough.  Different strokes.  Not going to nitpick.  For me though I'm fine in this conference and don't see it as weak.  That's SEC aggy propaganda to me.  It's a good league in the big 3 sports.  You're playing FAU, UCLA and Army this year OOC.  Those are some fun games in addition to what I see as good in conference football programs.

    That's fine, i am not trying to change your opinion.  But  i have my concerns that elite recruits and nfl scouts arent on the same page with you in regard to that. Tell me you are cool with seeing a garbage pile like aggy getting recruits that should be in austin and norman by carrying the sec flag?

    It will be a fun non-con for sure, and Ou has a chance to win a bunch of games. And hey you never know, this could be the year that the sec has nobody in the playoffs.

     

     

  15. 1 minute ago, SnowAggy said:

    You must have ADHD then...OU is leaving the big 12 by 2025 at the latest, yes?  In fact they're "spearheading" the move according to you.  So, you have to be patient for about five seasons or a point at which leaving doesn't damage OU (or thieir new conference) financially.

    And in that time OU & UNL have scheduled some games, right?  So why so much energy expelled to run down a conference you're leaving relatively soon?

    You're obsessed.  You should get some help.

     

    Nothing is set in stone, but they certainly seem to want to leave after the GOR expires.  Patient for 7 seasons sure from this point, but that doesnt account for having to be patient for the previous 8 seasons as well. That would be a total of 15 years of patience you are asking for. 

     I dont know what UNL is.   Cause I didnt just wake up today with this thought in my head. It's years in the making. 

    Not obsessed at all. It's just an issue for which my opinion hasnt changed  since  the realignments of 2010.   That's consistency. 

  16. 3 minutes ago, Scholz said:

    OK I'll bite.  What would your conference preference be after the media rights expire in 2025?

    I am not sure what that matters, it's just an opinion. And I am sure no matter which conference I'd prefer you will find a way nitpick it.   There's what conference I'd prefer to go into as of right now, and then there's a whole different situation in 2025.  I have no clue what will happen, how other conference will shake up.  That will go a long way in considerations.  But if it expired today I would be happy to see OU at least at either pac, big 10 or sec. I suspect lots of changes would have to happen for that to come to fruition; probably looking at 16 team super conferences at that point.  I have also read about a suggestion that big 12 and acc could cooperate for scheduling purposes.  And i am not opposed to the big 12 taking 2 more teams from existing P5 conferences.  if it were up to me i'd love to dismiss wvu, and pick up nebraska, aggy and arkansas to keep it regional.  Definitely keep Ou and tx together or at the very least guarantee a RRR matchup as a noncon.   I am open to many possibilities except the  situation we are in today. 

     

    6 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    At some point, the lack of Big 12 players in the NFL has as much to do with the NFL as the Big 12.

    Look at Iowa.  They put a fuck ton of players in the NFL, and 90% of the time they're between 6-9 wins in the worst P5 division, routinely struggling against teams outside the Big 10.  But they're loaded with NFL talent because they run NFL schemes and NFL teams are very willing to pass over talent in favor of guys who played in a similar system.
     

    I get why people use it as a measuring stick, but you don't have to look that far to see it's not a great one either.

    Possibly but there is a perception that the nfl considers sec talent to be more nfl ready.  You have to know that coaches are showing draft results to recruits and it's  making an impact.  And all you needto do is look at recruiting rankings to see where that road leads.  or you can just look at the fact that 9 of the last 12 national champions are sec.  I hate them as much as the next person but they are doing something right.  Or they're, from top to bottom the best cheating conference in history.  Which is possible too. 

  17. 12 minutes ago, Scholz said:

    So how many national titles did Stoops play for?  Didn't he blow 3 of them?  Didn't Riley blow a golden chance just last year?  How is that the conference's fault?  You're the one using national title counts as grounds for the Big XII being shitty.

    Yes, OU has been consistently good.  But not when it's nut cutting time.

    And the Big XII has given OU all they could've asked for in terms of bites at the apple so still not understanding the complaints from $ooners.

    Uhh man  i didnt say it's the conferences fault OU lost those games.  I said its the collective fault of the rest of the big 12 that OU is the only good team in the damn conference.  Did you even read my post? National titles is just one facet of it. sec has multiple teams winning titles, the big 12 has one team vying for it.  That's what's shitty.  auburn, lsu, bama and florida all have won recently.  Georgia just played for one.  The only team who has won for us is texas, and OU is the only team who has even competed for one in the past decade. 

    I am not a sooner in this context, i am an outside observer, observing that the big 12 stinks.  It doesnt matter that i am an OU fan, my fanhood doesnt change the facts man. this conference stinks. 

    6 minutes ago, SnowAggy said:

    You just said in a prior post OU was doing just fine so what's the difference?  Why do you care so much about the big 12?

    Because I want to see better football.  i want to see my team play better teams. i want to see other big 12 teams actually being competitive and winning big games. I dont want OU to be the only conference team who is good enough to win some playoff games.  I want to see better talent in this conference and i want to see more big 12 players in the nfl.   I want this conference to have a bigger impact.   At the end of the day it cant hurt OU.  But its so much more than how it affects OU though. 

  18. Just now, oSuJeff97 said:

    Right. Because being top 10 in wins over 10 years in the Big 12 is the exact same thing in the Big 12 as it is in the Mountain West or whatever the fuck conference Boise is in.

    Hardly anyone in the Big 12 has a Big 12 championship in the past decade outside of OU.  Off the top of my head I know OSU has one, I think Baylor has two and OU has the rest, right?

    It's a zero sum game. If our conference heavyweights (OU and Texas) are pulling their weight, then you shouldn't see many Big 12 championships from the the next tier down... you should see about what you've got in the past 10 years... the bluebloods get 70% and then the next tier down gets the other 30%.  (If that were flipped I'm sure you'd be bitching about how the Big 12 sucks because crappy programs like OSU and TCU were winning the conference every year.)

    What you would want to see from the next tier down are lots of wins and (particularly) lots of bowl wins against other conferences.  That's how the "next tier down" pulls their weight in a conference with only 10 teams.

    And that's exactly what OSU, TCU (and until their implosion) Baylor have done. 

    So how exactly is OSU (or TCU for that matter) "not keeping up?"  Keeping up with what? 

     

    You just crowed about wins, so  I brought up another team with a shitloaod of  mostly meaningless wins, just like osu. osu has a shitload of meaningless wins.  A few good ones though, but most of 'em were meaningless.    But hey they were good in 2011 when they lost the most meaningful game probably in the history of the program (had they beaten iowa state, who knows what would have happened).

    They havent been keeping up because there has been little parity.  OU has dominated the conference winning it 10 of the last 17 seasons.   They have been good, sure, competitive most years, sure. But not giving OU much competition.Look at the head to head results of OU vs every big 12 team for in the Stoops era. It's like they are the only ones trying.   At the top we have OU and historically texas.  sec has alabama and georgia at the top right now.  Who is their next tier down? Auburn, lsu, florida, mississippi.  Compare tcu, osu, wvu, and who , tech? And who do we compare tennessee, s. carolina, and arkansas to?  kstate, kansas, baylor?   I mean hell their 2nd tier teams keep up nicely and even occasionally win a national title.   Ours well, lol, it is what it is.

  19. Just now, Scholz said:

    OU has had plenty of chances at a national title.  Just because you fall on your face when the lights come on the big stage isn't the fault of the Big XII.

    "The perception".  Yeah, got it.  Keep ignoring that 4 Big XII teams last year had a top 20 SOS.  Just like the SEC.  4.  Facts not what "perception you feel".

     

    I think I have your position now though.  The Big XII is shitty even though it hasn't caused your team (which you don't care about) any harm in the least.  Got it.

     

     

    It's the collective fault of the remaining members of the big 12 that OU is the only one who has been able to be consistently any good. They are the only team with double digit wins 15 times since 2000.

    Tell me how the vaunted SOS has helped the big 12?   It sure as hell didnt do shit for the draft.  sec dominated the draft.  Recruiting? Nope, we still have 3 in the top 25 and the sec has 9.     Who in the hell out there is crowing the big 12 other than some of you on this board?  NFL scouts and elite recruits have been spurning the big 12. We get godo talent, but the elite talent is going elsewhere. It's why when our good talent faces their elite talent, we lose.  Ou is the best thing this conference has had in a decade and they cant get over the hump. That's a condemnation of how bad the big 12 has fallen.    Yes it's a shitty conference despite the fact that OU remains consistently good.  And yes i do care about OU.  You just dont seem to understand that i am allowed to dislike a shitty conference and still like my team. 

  20. 10 minutes ago, Scholz said:

    1) Most fans care about their respective teams.  Sorry for assuming rationality in your personality.

    2) WTF?

    1. I never said i dont care about OU.  Ugh. I said  my thoughts on OU are unrelated to my thoughts on this conference.  So you assumed not rationality, you assumed stupidity.   I have the ability to keep my feelings about Ou and the Big 12 separate. Is that so hard to understand?

    2. I repeat, my thoughts on the big 12 have nothing to do with OU. 

  21. 9 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

    An "occasional flash in the pan?"   OSU and TCU are in the top 10 in the country in wins in the past decade.  That's 10 years of some pretty consistent high-level winning that's certainly MUCH better than what the programs that left the Big 12 have done.  

    I (and I think everyone else here) would agree that Texas being down has been a problem. 

    But don't tell me that OU getting their shit pushed in multiple times on the national stage over the past decade hasn't also been a pretty big problem.

     

    Ah, and lets examine how many big 12 championships they have in the past decade.  How many trips to the playoffs they've had, and how many NY6 bowls they've won. Yeah, flash in the pan is right. But sure they have won some games, so has Boise state.   They arent winning the RIGHT ones though. It's more fun to win the right ones. 

    Of course tx being down has been a problem, and  the fact that osu cant keep up isnt helping either. Our 2nd tier teams arent as good as their 2nd tier teams. 

    And yes, at the same time if tx being  down and  lil bro not pulling their weight has  been a problem, then surely so it has been a problem to see the conference's best team get beat in the playoffs.   At least one of our programs is actually trying though. 

     

    12 minutes ago, Scholz said:

    Yes.  You are.  So the Big XII isn't a shitty conference like you keep claiming which flies in the face of facts and reality. 

    TCU and OSU and Texas and ISU were all in the top 20 SOS.  That's so what.  

    Yes it is.  There is the perception of the big 12, which is shitty. then the actual results, which, again, shitty.   There's a reason why the big 12 has had  1 natty since 2000 and that acc, big 10 and sec have the last 12 of them. 

     

     

  22. 4 minutes ago, Scholz said:

    OK assume that's true and it hasn't hurt your team at all.  Still not seeing why that's a problem for you.  I'm a UT fan personally.  I don't root for Bama like aggy fans.  Guess you're one of those.

    I never said it was a problem for me. Why do my feelings have to be related to OU? This has nothing to do with OU at all except for the fact that OU is in the big 12.   I could be a fan of any other team and still think the conference sucks.  Do you live under a rock?  You act like only OU fans think the big 12 is a a trash heap.  News alert, it's not. 

     

    6 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    I'll take that bet about the GOR expiration exodus.

    Who is leaving, where are they going, and why are they going there?

    The Big 12 is really well compensated, and the members schools all seem pretty damn content.  The mega conferences are seeing reduced fan interest, and in the case of the ACC and Pac 12, they're actually making less money per school than the Big 12.  This isn't 2010.  There isn't irrational butthurt driving administrative decisions, and there just isn't incentive to leave.  Maybe something changes significantly in the next 3-4, but I doubt it.

    I dont even know who OU is playing in 2019 much less what the specifics of the plans they have for when the GOR expires.  I would guess off the top of my head both OU and texas are gone, and probably kansas too.  Most of the 2nd tier programs would prefer to  stick with the big 12, but Ou and tx  can write their own ticket because they could go to almost any conference they want.  have you guys not been paying attention for the past few years?  Sure it's quieted down because the GOR expiration is so far away, but they have been trying to make changes to this conference  for the past 8 years.  Both Ou and tx nearly left in 2010 and we nearly added 2 more teams last year.  Things in the big 12 are in a state of flux.  we have plenty of time to right the ship and  a lot can change but  as things are now,  this shitty ass conference isnt moving the needle where it matters most.  

  23. 1 minute ago, Scholz said:

    Yes.  Very factual.  "I'm hearing".  "People are saying".  

    OU had the #2 overall SOS last year.  Way to keep ignoring facts.

    I never said any of that. If you want to know how  lots of folks feel about programs, you can look at their rankings, which is comprised of a bunch of people who watch football games and pay attention to the landscape of the sport.  Of course we also have the results on the field as indicators as well.   I think the proof is in the pudding if things like  winning, rankings, recruiting, and putting players into the nfl give any indication how people feel about a particular program. 

     

    Not ignoring facts. OU had the #2 sos. So what? They also played ohio state and georgia.  think that helped? Can you list the SOS of all 10 teams and compare them to the 14 sec teams? or will that prove you wrong so you wont do it?

  24. 10 minutes ago, Scholz said:

    So why are you crying?

    What is it all about then?

     

    It's about this  being a shitty conference. what else would it be about?

    12 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    If Lincoln Riley hadn't curled up in the fetal position and shit himself in the 2nd half of that UGA game, OU probably wins the National Championship last year.

    The idea of them switching conferences at this point is just fucking ridiculous, and I really can't see their admins doing it.  None of the schools who left in '10-'11 were having anywhere near the success OU has had over the past 5 years.

    When the GOR expires, there will be a mass exodus from the big 12.

     

    6 minutes ago, utee94 said:

    I can understand Sooner fans missing their rivalry with Nebraska and blaming that on the B12 conference.  I'm a fan of neither school but I always liked that rivalry and I miss it, too.  

    Maybe some Sooners also miss Colorado and Mizzou?  Although I don't know any that have stated that, to be honest.

    i dont care about any of those teams who left the big 12. or rivalries with them. 

  25. 8 minutes ago, Scholz said:

    OK.  So our SOS ending last season at #17 and aggy's ending at #41 is fictitious?  I realize we played USC and that's baked in there but the vaunted SEC should be able to overcome a single game no?

    Oh look, there's OU with the #2 overall SOS last year (TCU #8, OSU #12, ISU #20).  Must be imagining things.  Go ahead and dazzle me with more data, jethro.  More of what "you think".

    https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other 

     

    You'd be better comparing the SOS of all sec and all big 12 teams instead of just a few handpicked choices here.  Final rankings would more tell the story of the conferences and we had 3 and they had 5 in the final top 25. They also had two in the playoffs and won the whole things.  You are swimming upstream if you actually think we play better football in the big 12.  Very few if anyone at all agrees with that. 

    11 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

    Jesus Christ.

    If i wanted to read a diatribe on how much OU fans hate the Big 12 I'd go visit LandThieves.

    If the Big 12 has a "perception problem," a big part of it is because the conference's marquee program for the past decade consistently shits down its own leg on the big stage. 

    So maybe quit shitting the bed in big games before you complain about how the rest of the conference is "dragging you down."

     

     

    Frankly I am surprised you  havent used the ignore feature.  Guess that's on you. 

     

    The big 12 perception problem is that they only have one marquee program. the lil bros have never been able to  be consistent, just an occasional flash in the pan.  That hasnt helped the reputation at all.  Big 12 wouldnt even be a viable conference anymore if OU hadn't had a resurgence in 2015.  I never complained about the conference " dragging us down". OU does just fine obviously.  But since OU is in this conference,  I care more about it than i do any other conference. I am not blind to the problems it faces and the perceptions that have been attributed to it. 

    18 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    This sounds like an idiot's perception of nonsense. 

    OU has made 2 of the last 3 playoffs.  They did in 2015 despite having a loss to a team with a losing record.  They have the #3 recruiting class for 2019.  They make more money than most schools in the country.

    How is the Big 12 hurting them in any way?  Changing conference won't make their schedule more laden with blue bloods.  If it does, they'll probably lose more games.  How is playing Purdue/Indiana/Northwestern, Mississippi State/Mizzou/Vanderbilt, or Washington State/Oregon State/Utah any different than ISU/KSU/KU?  Besides being farther away, I guess.

    I Never once ever said that the big 12 is hurting OU.  Why do you think I said that? And can you quote that post where  I did? Thanks.    I said the big 12 isnt all that good, and suffers from a low reputation.  The conference is a dumpster fire.   it does not mean OU is in trouble.  The conference is though. 

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