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  1. 11 hours ago, sushihorn said:

    We're about to get a good test of what Les Miles can do when someone DOESN'T leave him a pile of talent.  So this debate should resolve itself in a few years.

    I’m pretty sure he’ll just try to use Kansas as a stepping stone to get a better gig. Kansas belongs in the FCS in football. 5 wins a year and he’ll have them playing great football for their standards. 

  2. 8 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

    2 of which came from Meyer, another all-time great coach. 

    And yet, he could only get 1 playing in a down B1G for most of his years, with arguably the biggest brand name team in college. Must’ve been the migraines. At least he can teach his leadership and morals class at OSU moving forward. I like how when someone has success in the SEC “we” eliminate them from counting. Smart. 

  3. 6 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

    It's not cherry picking when the thesis of the post you were responding to was that the recent strength of the SEC is actually Saban, doofus.

    You also might want to look up what the phrase "fueled by" means in this context while you're working on your reading comprehension. Isn't Georgia supposed to be one of the decent schools in the SEC?

    I know, and I brought up facts that still shows the SEC is winning more over the past 10-15 years than other conferences...Basically everyone is saying take Bama out of the SEC and they’re average. But if we’re doing that you need to take away every conferences’ best team and/or coach, they all look worse. Take OU out of the Big12. OSU out of the B1G, Washington PAC, Clemson ACC... you know, since we’re saying take Bama out, we need to keep it equal and do it for all conferences when making these comparisons. 

  4. 1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

    Good job counting the two Saban-fueled titles at LSU he already mentioned.

    Of the last 10 non-Saban national championships, 3 came from the SEC. 

    Only one of those were Saban’s. But I guess you’ll say Les had his recruits. Either way, count whichever way makes your numbers look better. 3 is still more than any other conference, and that’s with cherry picking your numbers. 

  5. 4 hours ago, Terry Silver said:

    I believe the reason for the SEC's "prominence" and stature can be attributed to one man and one man only: Nick Saban.  Prior to his national title at LSU in 2003 the college football landscape was radically different.  The BCS era had produced champions in Tenn, FSU, OU, MIami, and Ohio State; a very well balanced representation of conferences and regions.  But Saban created a monster at LSU by bringing that program to prominence on the field and recruiting trail.  Saban was so good that even Les Miles was able to win a natty at LSU in '07.  Saban then ends up at Bama where he builds another monster program.  LSU and Bama have won seven of the past 15 national titles.  And possibly eight of the past 16.  That accounts for so much of the "SEC myth".  If Saban never coached in the SEC what would the college football landscape look like?  Much different, in my opinion.

    I stated earlier in this thread, of the last 10 non-Bama national champions, 5 still came from the SEC. The next closest conferences have 2 each. 

  6. Good game guys. UGA apparently left their offense on Bourbon St, much of it to do with your defense, but a lot of dumb mistakes as well. That led to UGA's defense being on the field a little too much. Ehlinger was the difference maker, he made a ton of great plays. Congrats, and please beat OU for the Big12 title next year, and we'll try to knock Bama off their perch. Deal? :) Good luck on national signing day and next season. Cheers

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  7. 26 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

    Obviously nobody is suggesting this. It is entirely possible (and common) for something to be both "good" and "overrated." (See college QB Tebow, Tim.)

    I'd posit that the SEC is generally overrated. Bama isn't. Georgia isn't. But there exists an idea that all member teams are a step ahead of all others in college football by virtue of their membership of the conference. As the previous poster states, terms like "SEC defense!" - when used to describe that of Vandy or South Carolina or Ole Miss or Tennessee or the vast majority of the conference - imply some sort of mystical mojo that simply isn't real. And that's what makes it overrated - many teams get extra credit simply for being members. 

    Again, none of that means that Georgia is anything less than a really good, extremely talented team. 

     

    I’d point to bowl records and OOC records against the P5 if you want to know there are still pretty good teams outside the top few SEC teams. Or number of players in the league that help boost that mythical defense and speed aura. 

    But either way, we can agree to disagree. Good luck to you guys today, hope it’s a great game. Cheers 

  8. 24 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

    It's all about the money and there it's not even close.  ESPN owns 80% of the SEC network.  It owns ZERO percent of the Big 10 and Pac 12 networks.  There are no Big XII and ACC networks.  So not only does the SEC network produce more money than even the Big 10 net but ESPN owns virtually all of it.

    Yet you express shock that an equity controller would promote a product they own outright.  You attack this completely predictable outcome as a "conspiracy theory" because you can't refute it.  Self-interest is one of the few constants in human nature and ESPN has it in spades WRT to the SEC.

    Yes or no. Do you think the SEC is the best overall conference? 

  9. 4 minutes ago, taybo20 said:

    To be fair, you brought up facts.

    Well I think the big difference comes down to the SEC Network. That clearly is a step above since that’s a co-venture with ESPN. Though next August espn will launch the ACC network which at that point will be very equal to the SEC network. ACC as of this past year still had games on non-espn owned channels, so they weren’t espn only as you said. And the other 3 networks don’t have ESPN networks. That makes sense right? Texas has their own with ESPN which about the closest thing. And if you stick around these parts you’ll hear the joke about the “burnt orange media conspiracy” (BOMC).

    the silly thing about this argument is that it really isn’t one. My position is that the SEC is the best football conference. It just so happens they also have an espn owned network designed to showcase their sports. And because ESPN likes to use their talking heads in cross-over fashion you have personalities on both channels talking sports across their family of networks. That’s not conspiracy, it boils down mostly to good business. I certainly don’t think they get put in CFP or bowl games or whatever because of ESPN. 

     

    Agreed. And to be clear, the conspiracy theory statement wasn’t aimed at you. Moreso someone else above. 

  10. Just now, taybo20 said:

    I’m not debating because you never responded to me either. And your posts with those stats has nothing to do with points I made, so why should I respond.

    furthermore I’m not saying there is a conspiracy in any of my posts. But if that makes you feel better to say then so be it. I’m just correcting things you’ve said. Especially when you want to say you are espousing only facts. You brushed past the fact I just posted about the Big 10 Network. So don’t think you are on any high ground. 

    The SEC is also apart of CBS, so that’s equivalent to the Fox deals with other conferences, agreed? I didn’t realize I was going to need to break down every dollar and percentage breakdown for these TV contracts... my main point stands, ESPN is pretty much equally invested in 4 of the 5 major conferences. If anything, the ACC is the only all-ESPN conference, shouldn’t they be pumping them up to support all these theories? 

  11. 2 minutes ago, taybo20 said:

    Ever notice how fox owns 51% of the big 10 network? And how all their big games are on fox, such as the CCG and Michigan/osu? At least know what you are talking about. 

    ESPN certainly has their hand in each conference. But you are foolish to think it’s the same as they have in the SEC network. Which extends far beyond football even.

    Ok, you’ve convinced me, it’s a conspiracy, the SEC is trash. They are held up by the powers that be at Disney... The non-Bama SEC national champions facts above (as you’ll notice, that no one has felt the need to debate) are irrelevant. The SEC’s bowl record, OOC record against the P5, being named best conference by numerous non-ESPN outlets nearly every year, most players in the league, by far best recruiting classes, etc. are also irrelevant. 

    Please note, outside of my first two smart ass sentences above, I’ve stated nothing but facts. Please have facts, instead of generalized theories, when you reply. 

  12. 25 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

    Actually, the Big 12 is a FOX conference, which helps to explain some of the national misperceptions of what the non-OU-or-Texas teams are all about.

    That’s why I said “pretty much” every conference, meaning almost all of them. 4 out of the 5 major conferences they have covered, yet they’re “biased” towards one of those 4... that doesn’t make financial sense to eliminate 3/4 of the fan bases/schools you paid a ton of money to televise. Perhaps the SEC is pretty good at football. If you still doubt the non-Bama SEC football prowess, please reference my non-Bama SEC champions above comment. 

  13. 34 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

    ESPN sets the tone for national sports coverage, much as the NY Times does for international news and the Washington Post for domestic political coverage.  Thus, even if you don't watch (or read them), you still kinda do.  ESPN also has a huge investment in the SEC so of course they are talking their book.

    ESPN is invested in pretty much every conference. So you have no point there. 

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  14. 1 hour ago, sushihorn said:

    You're experiencing cognitive dissonance because most of the coverage is following ESPN in unfailing praise of Georgia.  I'm pointing out some of their flaws which only looks jarring against a background of uninterrupted congratulations.

    I don’t really watch ESPN, unless there’s a game on. They stopped caring about sports & highlights and care more about pushing a political agenda... but if you want ESPN to stop pumping up the SEC, other conferences need to start beating them more regularly during bowl season or the regular season. 

    Looks at championships by the SEC not named Bama. Of the past 10 BCS/CFP champions, not named Bama, 5 still came from the SEC. The next best conferences have 2. And if you remove Bama all those years, that would mean many times another SEC team would’ve taken their place in the NC. UGA would’ve crushed ND in 2013, LSU would’ve won when they rematched Bama, UGA would’ve won it last year, and so on. See why they think the SEC is good now?

    Thankfully UGA & UT got scheduled years down the road. Should be some epic games if Kirby and Herman keep building these teams. 

  15. 20 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

    Let's be specific.  2 TDs late in the 4th Q against Tennessee, including one set up by a RZ fumble.  Mizzou: 63 yd fumble return TD, INT starts the offense goal to go resulting in a FG, blocked punt TD.  Florida: RZ fumble--->TD, fumble at GL--->FG.  UK: 65 yd punt return sets up short field TD.  And of course Georgia didn't hit 30 regardless against Bama, LSU and Auburn.

    So is something that's true against everyone in conference save SC and Vandy a pattern or not?  Feel free to point out where I'm wrong.

    Here's how those teams rank in scoring defense; #4 Bama, #30 LSU and #16 Auburn in scoring defense. Just curious, do you consider UT on these teams' level regarding defensive ability? 

    Also, LSU was 27 points, and Bama was 28 pts. So, it's interesting you drew the line at 30, is it because it helped get 2 more games in there that support your "theory?" And again, I already referenced the turnovers and special teams previously in this thread, as if they don't count or something? Are defense and special teams not allowed to help you win games and get points? UGA is #11 in scoring in the nation, and #7 in points per play. I know you're trying to educate your fans on UGA, but you don't seem to have a very good grasp on UGA yourself. You sell them short when and wherever possible... Now this doesn't mean that I'm guaranteeing a UGA victory, as that's why they play the games, just so we're clear. I think it should be a good game and may the better team prevail. Cheers 

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  16. 24 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

    There's a huge difference.  Georgia's offense starts out conservative and run heavy.  They don't change much when they go into clock killing mode.  Texas is a much better passing team.  Switching to running out the clock takes away a much bigger part of the playbook for the Longhorns.

    UGA beats UT in every passing statistic besides two categories; # of attempts, which then leads to overall yardage being to your advantage. Give Fromm the same amount of attempts as Ehlinger and Fromm wins the total yardage category in a landslide as well. I think both teams are potent in the passing game, they just go about it in two totally different ways. 

  17. 23 minutes ago, SA-KC_Horn said:

    I'm curious to seem how many Jet Sweeps UGA is willing to run, since that is our achilles heel.

    This match up is intriguing because we've been playing B12 teams that have exceptional speed and willingness to use all four downs, but UGA appears to want to utilize their size in the trenches and wear Texas out and create running lanes that was displayed from 2012-2016.

    Mecole Hardman is the most likely to run jet sweeps, although UGA has 3-4 guys that will run it. Here's his sophomore highlights from last year with a few sweeps in there. He's also top 30 in KO return average and #2 in the nation in punt return average. His a 4.3 forty guy, that runs track at UGA. He was a dual threat QB in high school (recruited as an athlete), played CB his freshman year at UGA, and just switched to WR last year. So, he's still pretty green at the position, but is getting better and better. 

     

  18. 11 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

    The point is that Texas did a much better job than the average of those supposedly superior SEC defenses, which Missouri faced every week.  Every SEC defense other than Georgia gave up more rushing yards than Texas did for example.  It's the most recent comp available with zero common opponents this year.

    Mizzou had an interim OC calling plays, and Heupel was not there. I'm sure that had a little something to do with it. Could be similar this game, but in reverse, UGA doesn't have its DC for this game, so could cause some confusion on a new person calling the plays. 

  19. 3 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

    Todd Orlando's defensive philosophy has just fine against a lot of different offensive looks.  But this year's personnel are best suited to defending pro style offenses.  The last SEC team Texas played was held FAR below their season averages in points, rushing and total yards by Orlando's defense.

    I'm assuming you're talking about Mizzou last year. I wouldn't consider them your typical SEC offense. If anything, they are a Big12 offense. Heupel, then at Mizzou & now at UCF, runs a spread offense. 

  20. 20 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

    Auburn is just one example.  Georgia needed turnovers or big plays on special teams to crack 30 against Missouri, Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee and Auburn.  Obviously they didn't do well against LSU regardless.  There are enough examples to establish a pattern.

     

    Texas will penetrate and disrupt.  Creating negative plays hurts a run-dependent offense more than it would hurt an offense comfortable throwing it from any down and distance.

    Are turnovers and special teams not apart of the game? Is UT immune from turnovers or having to play special teams? I'll never understand why people just want to exclude the stats they don't like. UGA averaged winning by 19 points. over those 5 teams you mentioned being a pattern (for reference, UT did not beat one team this year by 19, while UGA averaged that against 5 SEC foes you mentioned, with two of those being top 15 teams)... Regardless, it should be an interesting/good game, especially with UGA missing its #1 CB, and now UGA's #1 DL and #1 LB are game time decisions to play. 

  21. 2 hours ago, lemonandaturd said:

    So if the above happens we get a 13 to 10 SECSECSEC snoozefest.  But if it mirrors last year's OU/Georgia playoff game, then we get a 48 to 45 track meet.  We win a track meet.  

    That’s what OU said last year about if it got to a track meet. 

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