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  1. If I were FSU or Clemson, I wouldn't be attaching myself to Miami. They're an anchor.
  2. While realignment is a fun topic, I don't think the average SEC fan hasn't been excited about expansion in general as it affects them. OU and Texas were homeruns because: 2 historic all-sport programs money brought back to life some rivalries is a driver to a 9 game conference schedule and a faster rotation That said, we're still almost 2 years into the debate to sell the 9 game schedule to all of the existing members and that's with the no brainer adds to the conference. Now you bring in 2 or 4 more programs you are looking at one or more of: less money or at best, break even affects rivalries less since some of the big ones (UF/FSU and USC/Clemson) have never stopped conflict over whether to play even more conference games and/or slower rotation Each add should be an even bigger gain than the last because big conferences are unwieldy. So programs that would be attractive to a 12 team conference are naturally less so to a 16 team conference.
  3. It's not clear to me whether they have a vote or not. The Notre Dame section only states that they can't vote if an issue specifically relates to football. Nothing in the board voting requirements excludes Notre Dame that I can find.
  4. Found the ACC bylaws. As far as I can find it, there is no provision for a process for dissolution aside from the fiduciary responsibilities of handling assets, etc and nothing about disinterested members, and also nothing about existing contracts/debts. So I guess that's where the "8 votes" comes from, the assumption that a simple majority is enough since it's not spelled out as requiring a 2/3 or 3/4 vote as some of the other sections spell out. I guess it could easily be a case of "yes, you can dissolve the ACC but even that doesn't remove the requirements of your contract with ESPN." https://virginiatech.sportswar.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2022/08/2020-21-ACC-Manual-2020-9-17-2.pdf Edit: I see bullet already tackled much of this. I really should have refreshed the screen before posting.
  5. I'd love to have a look at their bylaws. Unfortunately, I can't find anything recent online.
  6. Cedar Rapids seems reasonable.
  7. Wait... wouldn't they fly directly into Iowa City, Lafayette, etc?
  8. There is a notable difference though. The shortest flight for the LA schools to the current B1G is 3.5 hours to Nebraska. The longest flight for Texas to the current SEC is under 3 hours to Florida. And it's not just football you are handling for that, but all of the other sports too.
  9. Indie scheduling will also get tougher as conferences add more in-conference games.
  10. I recall Michigan got a special exception for UConn since they are an independent but I don't know about Maryland. It's a lot harder to find out the details on the Big10. They don't seem to host all of their rulebooks online like the SEC does. Also, yeah, I guess they dropped the requirement after a year.
  11. I guess the B1G dropping the P5 requirement is as good as done. Ohio State scheduled Marshall for 2024. That gives them Southern Miss, Western Michigan, and Marshall as OOC opponents for that season.
  12. The expectation is that the SEC will vote on the scheduling format in a few weeks at the Spring meetings in Destin. I could see the SEC dropping the P5 OOC requirement as well to get the last few stragglers on board (Kentucky and I think the Mississippi schools) with a 9 game conference schedule. I don't see it really affecting the top half of the league because the current belief among them is that with a 12 game playoff is that schedule is more important than perfection.
  13. With that innocent looking mustache, you'd never think Brett could be as spicy as he is.
  14. Sorry. At least in SEC circles, OUT is a portmanteau for OU and UT. I guess it's not common here.
  15. I wanted to edit above but ran out of time. I don't think we're really disagreeing here. I'm just pointing out that Ubben was right in that the Big12 outside of OUT has almost done the impossible of having the lesser programs grab a random 5 star or two over the years.
  16. I think we're discussing different points here. I'm referring to bullet's comment that the article is stupid because only 8 programs or so get anyone. I was pointing out that the only conference where that is the case is the Big 12. Every other conference is less extreme with relation to 5 stars (not blue chips, not draft picks). You seem to be agreeing with me because you recognize more than just 8 or so programs, but also the rest of the B1G/SEC.
  17. Does this mean we've all accepted the facts of the discussion since you've moved on to hypotheticals?
  18. There are no exceptions to fit the narrative. The fact is outside of OUT, only one 1 5 star has gone to a Big 12 school in that timeframe (1.5 if we want to give Houston partial credit) No other conference has that bad of a gap. Period. The next closest would be the ACC because only 4 (4.5 with Notre Dame) programs have pulled in 5 stars in the years I looked at. Now the clear argument against that is that Blue Chip ratio may be a more important stat to look at especially thanks to the transfer portal, but that's different than dismissing the 5 star gap.
  19. And here I thought we were talking about Ubben's article about how no one besides OUT was pulling in 5 stars in the Big 12.
  20. But that's not correct. If you look back more than one season, you see several non-top programs that have grabbed a 5 star or two. I looked back through 2015 (since that's all 247 is showing right now) and these arguably non-top programs all signed at least 1 5 star: Kentucky, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Miss St, Iowa, Maryland, Northwestern, Purdue, North Carolina, Stanford, Cal During that time, I only found 1 non-OUT Big12 school that signed a 5 star. Baylor - 2015 2 if you count Houston in 2016. Yes, you are correct in that the power programs are mopping up most of the 5 stars, but it ignores his larger point that the ratio was among the worst of the major conferences in the Big 12. Compared to the SEC where Vanderbilt is the only SEC program that didn't sign a 5 star in the 9 classes I looked at.
  21. But 1 year of data is significantly different than 11 years of data. Seems odd to dismiss his 11 years collection based on 1 class. That said, I think a better judge is blue chip ratio rather than just 5 stars.
  22. That doesn't look right. There are usually 30-40 5 stars per year, not total over an 11 year period. Are you looking at just the 2023 recruiting class?
  23. Florida sponsored FSU for SEC member ship in 1959, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1969, and 1970. They also sponsored Miami several of those years as well. It hit a brick wall because most of the SEC members had no desire to expand. Even after Georgia Tech and Tulane left, the SEC was at 10 teams, which was larger than all the other conferences and the SEC played a much smaller conference schedule. Tennessee was pushing Memphis State at the 12th and it wasn't an attractive combination. FSU continued to make their case in the 70s and 80s but the SEC actually voted to change its constitution in 1971 to limit membership to 10 members "permanently" shutting the doors to expansion. There was no blocking FSU those decades because the SEC wouldn't even consider expansion until Kramer basically figured out that they could apply some Division III rules to Division 1 and expand to 12 to get a conference championship game. I understand that Florida sponsored FSU and Miami for the 1992 expansion to 12 teams. https://www.nolefan.org/summary/fsu_sec.html
  24. I'm actually not sure where that came from. UF has sponsored FSU a bunch of times over the decades.
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