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  1. Look, the average rent in Queens is not 3000. Nowhere has it listed that high either except kiplinger. You even have to go out of your way to find more than 1 or 2 apartments currently for rent over 3000 amongst a sea of rentals from 1500 to 2800. Only LIC has consistent prices that high and higher and it's one small neighborhood. Buildings there are also currently offering concessions that make even the real average seem slightly higher than it truly is. The average rent in Queens Nova Scotia is apparently about 3000 Canadian though. Maybe that's where they got the incorrect number.
  2. What are they gonna name the elite unit? Space Seals doesn't sound right. I vote for Voltron.
  3. I never said I wasn't a binge poster. People reply to me, I reply back. Sometimes 2 or 3 times. I just happen to have 5 or 6 people replying to me on this thread so it adds up.
  4. FWIW, I agree about Manhattan. The parks and the museums are nice, but traffic and tourists can make it pretty chaotic. These days I prefer Brooklyn for nightlife. Especially in the summer. Sidewalk cafes in Manhattan are practically unenjoyable with horrendous traffic and 18 wheelers idling all the time.
  5. Nope. A variety of places publish those numbers. I was looking at Zillow. Another thing you can do on Zillow, btw, is look for apartments for rent. 3000 is a laughable average rent for Queens. The rent is still high here but it's nowhere close to that.
  6. I've been calm. I have enjoyed the discussion with most here. You have just been a shithead. Every single post you have made has contained a personal attack. Only now are you trying to come up with any real discussion because you got your feelings hurt when someone attacked you back. Still though, personal attacks aside. You aren't adding real or new value. The responses to your latest post are already present in this thread. Even the $79 difference has been brought up. Perhaps now, you'll go back and read about the fact that NYC's higher income is factored into the article's conclusion. I don't really have a dog in the hunt. I'm just backing the article. It makes sense on those two costs. And I find it funny that y'all have a desperate need for Houston to be cheaper. Wonder why that is? I like where I live whether it's more expensive or not. Do you not? I also find it funny when people move to Manhattan and think everywhere around is Manhattan priced.
  7. I did look at your first article. Not sure where it got it's numbers. The average rent in Queens isn't close to $3,050. It's $2,294. I wish it was $3,050. But they also didn't get the median income, median home value, or even the population correct. So I guess that article is as good as a ranking of party schools.
  8. Yes. Housing is more expensive per the article. You're still treating real estate as a fungible good though. It isn't. Here, let's flip it and move it to make it easier to understand. Which is more expensive? A $500,000 2500 sf one story house in Des Moines, or a $500,000 3000 sf two story house in Ames? 4 people live in both. The answer is they are the same exact price. The price per square foot is not relevant in determining their value. The actual sales price determines their value. The Des Moines purchaser isn't getting something "worse" than the Ames purchaser. Clearly, he is getting value from something other than the square footage. Schools, nearby amenities, etc. And he purchased that value with his housing spending money. Nobody is sacrificing anything. Neither is more expensive or cheaper than the other. Now once you understand that, we can actually break down how and why NYC housing units per person are slightly more expensive than Houston.
  9. Nevermind that you are comparing fixed real estate with food which is stupid in the first place. But I'll bite. I know that's your point. You think housing is a fungible good like a cup of noodles or a gallon of gas. That's been clear. While you are completely wrong on that (for noodles in general as well), we are really both talking about subjective preference. You value housing size without consideration for the surrounding area. I value the surrounding area more and even prefer smaller housing when given the option. So the point continues to be that you can't buy the same housing bowl of noodles in both places. The noodles in each place are entirely different. They are not interchangable noodles. So I can have 2 bowls of crappy tasting noodles in Houston for the same price as 1 good tasting bowl in NYC. Some people like you prefer crappy noodles and really wish that NYC would sell Houston style crappy noodles too, but they don't. But way out in NJ, someone opened a Houston style crappy noodle stand so you can go out there and eat them for a nickel more than you paid for them in Houston. And yes, I sacrifice a driving commute, a community with no street life, and a front room nobody ever uses in order to live in NYC in a place that has everything I want from housing. That's no sacrifice at all really. My question for you is why don't you go live on a farm in the middle of nowhere if you think the only thing you are purchasing with your housing money is the square footage of the house itself?
  10. Houston is an incorporated city, yes. It is not a city with an actual urban fabric. Instead, it has suburban style living all the way to its downtown core. Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx offer far more urban density than Houston. Even Staten Island is twice as dense as Houston is. Only Staten Island and Eastern Queens are even remotely considered suburbs either by name or by character. I'm lumping all 5 boroughs in because the article is about NYC and that includes all five boroughs. You live at the end of a commuter rail line. Nobody is disputing that. You chose that over more affordable and closer housing because you like the beach lifestyle. People probably drive into Houston from Galveston every day too. If you only want to talk cost, then the article is entirely correct, and you are wrong. And we're done here. Instead, you are absolutely talking about value because you mention square feet in this very post as well as your prior post. Cost is simple. You live in a place and you pay $x to do so. Determining how your place compares to other places is entirely a discussion about value. Value is simply your return on that cost. You still aren't referring to cost. You are referring to value again and you are including proximity and nightlife in that value. Again, on cost alone, neither Astoria, Jersey City, or Hoboken offer "bang for you buck" when compared to NYC as a whole and certainly not when you compare them to the whole NYC metro. All are relatively expensive neighborhoods. If cost alone matters, you wouldn't choose any of those three neighborhoods. Much of Astoria is far from the subway, but its unlikely that you would have ever ventured far from a subway stop. Also you would have to swim to get the Q from Astoria. Manhattan is small. Absolutely. NYC itself is half the size of Houston geographically. And yes, NYC is more dense. That's the point. There is value in that density. You don't get more value from a McMansion in Houston.
  11. Well, then flights to clients as well as hotels should be included in transportation costs. And yes, a car costs less in H-town. You know what costs even less than a car in H-town? Not having a car at all. You know, like most NYers.
  12. Not sure why you keep using 500 sf as an example either. You guys are prone to using extremes as examples. The average studio apartment is 550 sf. The average household isn't living in a studio, much less one that small, and hardly any families are living in a 500 sf place. If they are, there options in Houston would likely be the street rather than a larger dwelling. They wouldn't be able to get to whatever check-to-check job they managed to get down there since they couldn't afford a car. Also, in their income range, they'd be getting paid 50% less than they do here at $15/hr. And again, I know what you are trying to say. You still don't understand what I'm saying. This is why you shouldn't use words like "better" when describing Houston housing stock. You are trying to limit the definition of "better" to size and age alone. That is simply an incorrect way to view it even if we make comparisons between different parts of Houston. Location, safety, lifestyle, and nearby attractions have always been drivers of real estate pricing, and are also factors in determining what is "better." Let's put it in easier terms. The housing I desire has 2 bdrms, is less than a 5 minute walk from the nearest grocery store, has a park within a 10 minute walk, has at least 10 restaurants, cafes, or bars within a 15 minute walk, has access to mass transit within a 10 minute walk, and has several other stores such as hardware stores within a 10 minute walk. For me, this is the "better" housing. And this is almost undoubtedly cheaper to find in NYC than Houston if it even exists in Houston at all. You could literally give me a house in somewhere like West U for free with the requirement that I live in it for a year. I wouldn't take it. I don't find it "better" than what I could get for the same price here, and I find the lifestyle exceedingly "worse" to the point of being dismal. And West U has nice homes. The rest of Houston, especially newer suburbs are a lot worse. People move to Houston because its a place to move that isn't bumfuck Louisiana or Mississippi and it has jobs. Others move there because a job forces them to. Almost zero people move there because they like the lifestyle. People move to Austin for the lifestyle. A lot of people move to NYC specifically for the lifestyle. People looking for condos on this very thread included. They aren't wanting a McMansion, but buying a 2 bdrm apartment instead. And even if they did, they realize that if everyone had McMansions, it would just be a lifeless suburb like Sugar Land. Lifestyle is absolutely part of housing value and "what you get" for your money. How about you quit discounting that fact?
  13. The market in NYC is not different "because it is more expensive." It is different because it is different. If I gave that random household an unlimited amount of money, they might move into Tom Brady's 5,000 SF condo at most. If they wanted a McMansion, they'd move to North Carolina. What they wouldn't do is build a McMansion with a 2 car garage on a Manhattan block. And you know, Tom Brady could afford to have a home 2 or 3 times that size in Manhattan. He doesn't. Again, people don't move here so they can drive everywhere and have nowhere that is in walking distance. I get that I'm trying to tell a bunch of Houstonians that there are people that don't give a shit about owning a car, and that there are people that prefer there still be 2 restaurants, a bar, and a bodega on their block instead of their single McMansion, but these people do, in fact, exist. And I'm one of them. I could win the lottery, and would do little more than buy the co-op next to mine, and I might not even do that. I have no need for an extra room at the moment. Having unlimited money would do nothing to change that. Also, look up the Tiny House Movement. Bigger isn't always better.
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