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  1. 1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

    I'm so fucking mad today.

    Yes, we made mistakes (Quinn and Strawberry Shortcake, esp), and yes, we could've won anyway.

    But the total yardage at halftime was something like 260 to 54 and I believe each team had 1 turnover at that point.  But the penalty yardage was 80-19.  They kept Georgia in that game, because they were told to by the league office, and I hate conspiracy theories in general.  And the booth watched it happen and pretended they didn't see it.  You know you fucking saw it, Kirk, you gutless prick.

    I was sitting there at halftime fuming, because we all knew Georgia would play better in the second half.  We needed to be up 17-3 instead of 6-3, and we played well enough to have that lead, but we were not allowed to.

    Fuck you, SEC.

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  2. 5 hours ago, JBJ said:

    This is actual ass.  Can't they at select WSU or USC?  Why do this shit?

    Basically because Colorado or Iowa State or Arizona Stat or BYU will be higher rated than either Washington State or USC, who both could be eligible as well for 24 or 25, though guessing the Big Ten would prefer USC play in a Big Ten bowl.

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  3. 6 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

    Today we learned that NBC's legal counsel might not have been paying attention during their contract talks with the Big 10.  Also, NBC still has not signed their contracts:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/11/22/big-ten-football-noon-kickoffs/

     

     

     

     

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    With the help of those big noon ratings, the Big Ten cashed in with record-setting contracts with Fox, CBS and NBC. The seven-year deal, whose structure fully kicked in this season, will net the conference an average of more than $1 billion a year, even more than the SEC collects from ESPN ($700 million). By the end of the deal, Big Ten schools will be earning around $90 million each annually.

    With 18 teams, three media companies and billions of dollars involved, the new deal makes scheduling more complicated — and scrutinized — than ever.

    In the Big Ten’s old deal, Fox and ESPN split the TV package and held a draft each spring, taking turns picking the games they thought would draw the most viewers. (Technically, the networks select dates and not specific games.)

    This year, the three companies drafted, placing games into their usual time slots: Fox at noon, CBS in the afternoon and NBC in prime time.

    Fox owns the first three picks of the draft each year and landed the date for the Ohio-State Michigan game first. It avoided the West Coast schools — Oregon, Washington, UCLA and USC — that joined the Big Ten this season because they don’t play 9 a.m. local games. Fox has selected an Ohio State game with a top pick four times; other games have fallen to the noon slot after other networks made picks.

    “Fox is going to put their best chance at a rating in that window,” said Bob Thompson, a co-founder of the Big Ten Network. “They’re doing what’s in their rights in that contract.”

    The Big Ten has also never played many night games, in part because of the harsh Midwest winters, though TV partners have asked. The Big Ten Network proposed schools play in nearby domed NFL stadiums; ESPN tried, too. Both were rebuffed. (Schools had some veto rights in the previous broadcast deal for night games that varied by school and were focused on the final weeks of the season.)

    Ohio State’s fans’ pleas have resonated loudly in at least one place: NBC headquarters. In the previous deal, ESPN could always air another conference or put a game in a different window, but NBC has only the Big Ten night window. The New York Post reported that Michigan and Ohio State can veto any night games after the first week of November and that Michigan will play only two night games per season. Other schools committed to different limits on prime-time games, according to people familiar with the deals.

    NBC has expressed its frustrations to numerous stakeholders around the conference, according to people with knowledge of the conversations, suggesting that the network did not understand the full extent of the prime-time restrictions. The network has argued that it was informed of the full night game veto rights (and they were expanded from the Big Ten’s previous agreements) only after the term sheets for the deals were agreed to and announced, according to multiple people familiar with the deals.

    According to multiple people with knowledge of the deal, the long-form contracts, theoretically with all the gory details worked out, remain unsigned today. (This is not without precedent in sports TV, but it does lend itself to more haggling among parties.)

    The other defining feature of the Big Ten contract is how much control Fox has. Fox launched the Big Ten Network in partnership with the conference in 2007 and owns around two-thirds of it today. A decade later, Fox, at least partly through the Big Ten Network, purchased the rights to Big Ten football games for more than a decade. NBC and CBS are actually sublicensing their games, and Fox is collecting a percentage of the rights fees paid by those two companies. According to multiple people, CBS and NBC are paying around $350 million a year for their portions of the deal. All of which explains why Fox gets so many of those early schedule draft picks.

    All of the networks declined to comment.

    “We’re looking for the right balance: fan experience, TV,” Kerry Kenny, the Big Ten’s chief operating officer, said in an interview. “Sometimes you get the perfect blend. But sometimes you hope over the term of the TV contract you get it, even if it’s not as balanced for one year.”

    He declined to say what night game rules exist for different Big Ten teams, adding that the conference was pleased with its relationship with all its broadcast partners.

    Jerry Emig, Ohio State’s associate athletic director for communication, wrote in an email: “We’re part of the Big Ten Conference, which has a landmark television rights deal with four networks with FOX the lead network. We’re highly ranked. We win a lot of games. We get great ratings. We understand why FOX selects a lot of Buckeye weekends.” (Ohio State declined to share its night game restrictions. Former Athletic Director Gene Smith said last year he did not like to play late season night games at home.)

    Yet, fans and local journalists have for weeks peppered Ohio State’s athletic department with questions about the early starts. Fans at Wrigley had a grievance for every swig: A season’s parking pass costs thousands of dollars, yet fans have gotten only one full day of tailgating. Others just wanted more variety. Some were convinced the Buckeyes’ home-field advantage has been undercut by early games, since fans are less rowdy. (The Buckeyes are 14-2 in noon homes games over the last six seasons, according to the athletic department.)

    Several fans even said they had heard top recruits couldn’t attend home games because they couldn’t travel for early starts. “The takeaway is that college football fans are crazy and Ohio State is in the top 5 percent of that,” said Ramzy Nasrallah, the executive editor of Eleven Warriors, a website that covers the Buckeyes.

    Head coach Ryan Day says he has other things to worry about. (Coaches, in general, tend to prefer day games because it makes travel easier.) Some players said they like the early starts. Surely there are fans who don’t want to sit in the cold in Columbus at night in November, and police officers who prefer dealing with drunk fans by daylight.

    There is no doubt, however, that whenever and wherever Ohio State plays, the fans will be there.

    “It’s killing my body to be drinking this early every week,” said an Ohio State student named Lauren outside Wrigley who declined to give her last name. “I’ve had an ear infection for two weeks!”

     

    Been saying this for years, that noon slot is prime airtime, likely eclipsing the 3:30 slot and rivaling prime time now.   Fox brands the everloving shit out of it and it gets gigantic ratings.   Oklahoma hated that Fox did it and now the powers in the B1G do, but, unlike with the B12, FOX owns the B1G, they can't do shit.

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  4. 11 hours ago, South Austin said:

    I have dreams that Baylor will reoccupy that spot it once had for so long.  But unfortunately, the alumni base woke up one day and said, "Hey, we got money! Let's spend it on football!!!"  Their rapey coach who pulled them out of the cellar is gone, but the money still flows enough to keep them from those dark Big XII days, I think.

    I also share this dream.

  5. 37 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    Why are talking heads saying Indiana has to keep it close in Columbus to get in, while no one questions Texas's place and Indiana and Texas each have the exact same best win, and Indiana's loss would at least be on the road in a top 5 toughest place to play?  Starting in the first year of the 4 team playoff they've consistently shifted the goal posts in order to put together the best TV product (eyeballs that is - not necessarily entertainment value).  It's not even a conspiratorial idea at this point.  

    Because, at its heart, what the committee judges is recruiting rankings.   They expect the best athletes on the field will win out, so they'll always favor a team with a few losses and a higher recruiting ranking and brand, than a team that is just well coached and doing well.    Indiana isn't cute any more with their 1 and 2 star kids transferred from JMU.   The moment they lose they'll be seen as "the luck is over" and will be ranked back where they believe their talent should lie based off their athletes.  This is why Miami is still at 6 and BYU is out of the top ten.   Miami SHOULD be better, which is why they're ranked higher.

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  6. 1 hour ago, statsman said:

    It’s very interesting that the CFP committee ranked the top G5 school (Bouse) ahead of the top B12 school (BYU). I know that the committee uses early rankings to make points and doesn’t at all feel obligated to maintain a logic consistently through the final rankings, but it’s still very telling about what it thinks of “conferences of equals”. 

    My favorite was that Arkansas was both a key win and a terrible loss depending on your orange.    Take that Vols.

    They really need to go back to computers, there is a lot of really blatant bias showing up, like Notre Dame's loss to NIU never happening any longer.

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  7. 20 minutes ago, PvilleStang said:

    You could replace the Big 12 with MWC, AAC, etc.  Without the big names, it's just a bunch of scrappy teams that get 50K seats filled up on a given Saturday playing to get their game on a tier 3 streaming platform.  It's a fun Saturday when you're from Stephenville to go check out the Tarleton State home game and pound a few beers pre-game, but it's not something that the region or nation follows.

    You literally made his point for him with bad math.

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  8. 3 hours ago, statsman said:

    IT had a report about expected coming changes to NIL. Basically, school media revenue can be used, but limited to a percentage. There are no official news reports, but they say their Texas contacts tell them that the conferences with more media revenue (B1G and SEC) will have larger “caps” (they also say that “organic” NIL- genuine marketing and endorsements- won’t be limited, to the benefit of schools located in vibrant business communities). 
     
    TheB1G makes more, per school, in media revenue than the SEC. I would expect the SEC to address that with a new contract and a nine game conference schedule. 

    To catch they need nine and a diversified media deal.   Everything with the mouse is good for exposure, but bad for increasing revenue.    They need to bid out their T1 in the next contract.   B1G will always have the market advantage, which does factor into those T1s because most of the networks own the locals in the big markets, but at the end of the day it won't matter.   The current player cap per school is supposed to start around $20m if the agreement is signed by the judge.    There isn't a school in either conference at the current contracts who can't manage that.

     

  9. On 10/17/2024 at 9:25 AM, Evil Bill Obrien said:

    The list of top 25 teams playing FCS opponents from above has a few P4 schools playing in state FCS opponents and know that is pretty common in the south, big SEC/ACC school in the state gets roped into playing in-state FCS to cut them a check to keep their athletic department solvent. Maybe if these states just had the P4 schools share their massive wealth in other ways that don't involve tossing athletes from an FCS school out in front of a bus to keep their program afloat? Communism and nonsense I know but that would be a means to an end of the FCS games if you are going to go with player safety as the main reason against.

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  10. 3 hours ago, Doc Daneeka said:

    I referred to money for the FCS (and G5) schools because they get a fat check that helps them actually field a fucking team.

     

    This is the part I actually detest about this the most.   The vast majority of these teams have no business being paired up on the field together.   That's not to say none, but a lot of these FCS teams don't have the depth to run with a bad A4 program, let alone a big brand or $200m SEC school.   So these FCS schools are raising cash for their athletic departments by basically tossing athletes out in front of a moving bus and collecting the insurance money.

     

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  11. 11 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

     

     

    “It’s all worth it” means what? Because these games are nearly worthless and when one of these hits, they bring in no additional money, so what is it “worth”? Networks and advertisers know most people don’t watch. This is just like upsets in march madness, they are fun to talk and write about because we love misery for teams like Notre Dame, but that does NOT make these games valuable. Fun to talk about afterwards does NOT translate to more money. 

    Texas v Colorado State was on ESPN and Ohio State v Marshall was on FOX. Clearly there are NOT enough “good” matchups to fill a TV schedule.

     

    This.   They're fun.    They bring no money to the school nor conference.   When ESPN looks at the SEC's schedule of games out several years to do a media deal, they're really just valuing the 8 conference games, with maybe some added bonus for the games ESPN is going to schedule SEC teams against the ACC in the opening weeks.   That means a third of the games are drastically undervalued and under monetized.    The initial way of monetizing them was conference networks, now you could trick people into paying for those games by dumping them on carriage channels.   But if you want the next big leap in money, you have to put value in that third that you put in the other two thirds.  

    And its not just simple math that if you made $100m prior you make $130m now.    To Thunder's point, the T1 match ups drive most of that number.   This tide rises all boats as the T2/3 numbers inflate as well.    This is a 30-50% increase over time as match ups become more compelling and that's just media contracts.

    Now, why they don't exist today is not because of the networks.  It's because of the admin and coaches.   You have competing drives for money here.   Media deals give money, but winning gives more money.   If the ACC goes to 12 P4 games, their contract will grow with ESPN, but teams like VTech will have more losses.   Tech is a good football school when it's on its game, but it's not Tennessee or Alabama or Georgia around it.    Those teams are built to play 12 and end up with 10 wins still.  Tech may go 6-6.    Wallowing in mediocrity with a higher media contract doesn't pay the same as generating lots of wins on a lower one.   The PR value alone outstrips it for a university in increased enrollment or added season ticket holders, or being on more T1 games than you are when you're losing.   That builds casual fans if you can do it over time.   So, the ADs and coaches want those free 3-4 wins, because 6 is the minimum to even be talked about, 8 gets you in the realm of mattering, and 10 wins over time and you're a media darling.

    Wins matter above all else.

     

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  12. 18 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

    I don’t think there’s any way short of an absolute beatdown or injuries in the championship game that you put a team who wasn’t good enough to get there above one that was. 

    You were the third best team before the game. You’re still the third best team. 

    This, they don't really count CCG losses the same as regular season losses.   The 13th game is a different tier, you're playing for a bye, the loser gets the at large.  All of the conferences have moved to the top two best teams in the champ game, not two division winners.   Auburn, in this case, gets a lower at large consideration.

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  13. On 10/12/2024 at 8:25 AM, RoyalBevo21 said:

    I disagree, the NFL is a behemoth because any team can win on any Sunday. The networks are tired of shelling out millions and the first week of the season is filled with games like Ohio St vs Akron and Oregon vs Idaho. The fans don’t want it, TV networks don’t want it, we might finally get rid of those shitty games.

    Technically, they don't shell out millions for those games.   95+% of conference revenue comes from conference games.   The out of conference slate is barely valued at all.   This includes the blockbuster games where they'd put Texas vs Alabama or Michigan.   Those games would serve more as one offs where the schools would get a bonus for taking the "made for tv" event.    The reason they aren't valued has less to do with Michigan vs Holy Mother of the Blind Goats and more to do with when they make these contracts up they don't know the full extent of out of conference games.   Regardless of who wins or loses in any given season, they KNOW someone will with the SEC or Big Ten or Big 12 and so ratings will be relatively good somewhere as those battles play themselves out any given year.   But on the 3-4 out of conference games, they don't know.   Since they don't know if its against Michigan or BC or the Citidel, they aren't valued.

    This is the first piece of the missing money left with CFB.   If you did nothing else but say, "keep it what it is, but the A4 only plays each other for all 12 games" each conference would see a boost in valuation of between 30-50% in future contracts.    All they'd have to do is sign a long-term scheduling agreement with each other and work it into their media contracts.   Each would get credit for their home games.

    The second piece left on the table is the bigger one, the NFL one.   The one they may need congressional help to get.    The moment they can go to market with a shared media deal they'll dwarf these numbers you see today.  They'll seem as quaint as the SEC paying out $9m a school 15 years ago.  We all rave that the B1G gets $1B for their games a year.   The NFL gets that for one game, on Thursday nights.  The A4 are giving away a massive amount of money negotiating against themselves and this is the major reason why PE wants to come in.   No other sports league does this.   Its fucking stupid.    If I'm a network I'm lobbying hard to tell everyone conferences standing on their own is the best thing about college football because it saves me 2-3x the money I spend today.

     

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  14. 5 hours ago, TXpride said:

    Which is also a stupid idea. Blue bloods are blue bloods because of how they stack up against "everyone else." Take "everyone else" out of the equation and there are no blue bloods, and pretty soon all those matchups become boring and meaningless.

    (and before anyone gets upset, I'm using the term "blue blood" to refer to historically winning programs)

    Right, but, to maximize money, you need more of those match ups.   That's what the networks want and will pay for.   That's the entire reason for realignment in the first place, they've just been doing it in little moves.   Where CFB leaves the most money on the table is having like 5 negotiated TV contracts over 60-70 teams and not pairing those teams together more.    This is why you're really only paid for a conference slate, because its the only part of the schedule that networks know is reliable year in and year out.   OOC games, even the good ones, are still hit and miss based on if an AD schedules them or not.   WHen the contract is signed the network may not even know, so it doesn't factor in.   If you put all 70 teams under one global media and scheduling contract and say all 12 of those games will be against each other, now you're going to market with 420 (gnarly) defined games that the networks can bank on.

    On top of that, if you own the schedule, you can lay out featured match ups all through the season and through time slots at various times of the day, instead of competing with yourself for eyeballs.

    And lastly, you can go full out NFL and start windowing.   National window games in various slots.   Regional windows to maximize across the board on lower channels.   If you want to watch outside your window, pay for the all in package.    Oh, you just like the excitement, did you know we offer a redzone package now?

    Those are things the NFL can do that CFB can't that would likely double the amount of money CFB could make for literally doing nothing else.   Its the only no-brainer chess move left on the board.

    And you're right, that's why you need the 70 teams.   Blue bloods drive more interest at the end of the year, when games mean more, if they have no losses.

  15. 3 hours ago, Vertigo said:

    This is DOA, why do supposedly smart people with lots of money waste efforts on this stuff while being completely unhinged from reality? 

    I don't think this was actually their proposal, because they said keep the conferences.   What they wanted to do was take over the media rights and scheduling so that with the 3-4 games outside of conference they could put Alabama against USC, FSU, and Michigan and crap like that.

  16. 4 hours ago, statsman said:

    What does the PE bring to the table? Access to capital? It’s like they don’t know what university presidents do for a living (it’s certainly not tending to academic standards. It’s fund raising). 
     
    Ideas? Universities have sharp people all over the place (along with a bunch of educated idiots, granted)

    What the PE was bringing to the table in this regard was the financing to even the table over a period of time.   They mentioned, specifically, $5.3b in financing so the 70 teams could buy out all the games they need to buy out, including canceling G4/FCS games on the books and media contracts, then they make that back from a cut of the new deal they foster.

    To add a sweetener, much like the next NFL deal, they were also discussing bringing in the networks as equity partners in the entire operation, likely at a 30% stake.   That would pay back some of the investment too, but that's kind of what they do, provide the capital to make it move, not have to wait until some point in time when 2-3-5-whatever contracts align.

  17. 23 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    Exactly.  Texas would still be in the SEC, and they would get more money than they do now.

    What changes is that the Big 12 and ACC are guaranteed to still be included, and the mid-low tier Big 10/SEC schools no longer make the same as the blue bloods.

    The only reason anyone here should be opposed to project Rudy is if they want the Big 12 and ACC schools to be kicked out of major college football.  The only schools that would stand to lose anything are the Purdues of the world, and even then they’d see no change from a fan perspective 

    well I think where it will fail is what you mention.   Texas will remain in the SEC and will make more money.   But Ole Miss will also remain in the SEC and will not make the same as Texas, Alabama, and Georgia.   Same in the Big Ten where Ohio State, Michigan and USC will make more than Oregon, Penn State and Nebraska..

    The ACC/B12 already know they aren't top tier, the secondary schools of the B1G/SEC haven't had this heart to heart yet.   At some point its the next step, even if its not this step.   

    That's why Sankey is so brazen, they'll try and fix this first by saying "Well the SEC will just play the Big Ten more!"   But they still can't do it unless the Big Ten and the SEC combine their media contracts AND schedule games together that features a higher match up of top tier programs AND eliminates all but P4 games.    That's how you make the next jump in money.  Its always been how you make the next jump in money.    The PE investment is just how you buy out contracts and games today.   For less investment you start this in 5 - 10 years and do it yourself, but you still have to merge all of the contracts of all of the schools AND control the scheduling for all of them, there isn't a way of getting around that.

  18. 3 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

    yeah please don't do this.

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    In a recent acquisition, the architects of Project Rudy successfully recruited to join their team one of the most respected people within the college space: former Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick. It is a stunning move for someone who just six months ago sat on the College Football Playoff governing committee as one of the most powerful decision-makers in the industry.

     

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  19. 46 minutes ago, bullet said:

     

     

    I don't see the need for FCS games.  And its really ridiculous when Michigan, Penn St., Alabama and Georgia do it.

     

    I do agree they aren't ready for 12 P4 games.  So maybe 9 conference games, 2 P4 games, 1 G5 game.  But the 2 G5 and 1 FCS is overkill and leaves money on the table and abuses fans.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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